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You can get firefox-3.0a6pre.en-US.win64 (2007-06-12):

http://www.mozilla-x86-64.com/download.html

Hmmmm... tried that Fred, it wouldn't install.... But I also have 32-bit Firefox , so there may be a side-by-side compatibility issue.

32-bit is soooo yesterday (or make that 5 years+ old technology). :)

Actually, 32-bit have been around since the days of Win 3.1, when it was a hybrid 16-/32-bit OS.

The first true 32-bit OS is Windows 95 OSR2, released in 1997 (that has support for FAT32).

So, 32-bit has been around for 15 years, to be exact.

@MtDewCodeRedFreak: Hey, you're right. A decade and a half old. One could argue that makes 32-bit apps more stable since they've been around longer than x64 apps (which according to wiki x64 windows xp/2003 server has been around since 2005; so only 2 years old). But if you do any sort of dabbling in x64 programming, it's surprisingly easy to create a 64-bit application.

A lot of the open source projects are becoming more 64-bit friendly. So, I'll say by the end of this year, we'll have a bunch of open source projects that'll have 64-bit releases to accompany their 32-bit siblings. Most of the projects that I mess around with are already 64-bit compliant today. If I release anything, it'll be in 64-bit only.

Actually, 32-bit have been around since the days of Win 3.1, when it was a hybrid 16-/32-bit OS.

The first true 32-bit OS is Windows 95 OSR2, released in 1997 (that has support for FAT32).

So, 32-bit has been around for 15 years, to be exact.

I don't think that any of the Windows 9x family was ever completely 32-bit, it was always a mix of some legacy 16-bit and 32-bit which is the reason why Windows 9x was so unstable. The reason that it has 16 bit components is because Win 9x always relied on loading 16-bit DOS first, then Windows was loaded AFTER DOS booted. So some of the code at the OS core was always 16 bit no matter how much MS tried to hide the DOS roots of 9x.

Windows NT 3.1 (not Windows 3.1) was the first fully 32-bit version of Windows I believe, it had a fully 32-bit kernel, and that then evolved to Windows NT 3.51, Windows NT 4.0, Windows 2000 (NT 5), Windows XP (NT 5.1), Windows Server 2003 (NT 5.2) then Windows Vista (NT 6).

Unlike the Win 9x transition from 16-bit to 32-bit, the 64-bit version of Vista is 100% 64 bit, but it has an virtualisation mode which allows it to run almost all 32-bit applications and some 32-bit drivers as long as you are running it an x64 CPU, because the nature of the x64 CPU allows the execution of both 64 bit and 32 bit code.

If you were running Windows on a 64-bit CPU that isn't based on the x64 architecture, it is not capable of running 32-bit applications because the CPU itself doesn't have the instruction sets necessary to execute 32-bit code.

Hi guys, my first post (under this name, cant remember old one)

Ive tried both versions of vista now and can honestly say i cant seem to see an actual world difference between the 2, im using a core 2, 4 gig, geforce 8 so i did expect a significant difference but no..

I hate to say something on my first post that might get me flamed but what the hell.. STICK WITH XP, it rocks, everything just works !!

problems im still having with Vista include: framerate issues on a 2 games (some kind of memory leak), i would say most games ran just that little bit better under XP (marginaly but its still there), someone mentioned mame32, well all i can say is i cant get it to even attempt an installation, this is a major bummer for me as it one of my favourite programs and have over 2000 roms i cant use : ((( HEELLLLPPPP

If you do any torrent downloading, DO NOT BUY ANY VERSION OF VISTA, after days of messing about i finally got one to download about 90% slower than under XP.

still have a webcam, memory stick !!, joystick and tv tuner (gave up on them now) that won't work at all.

Logitech z-10 speakers still wont run as intended, this as soured me against logitech as they clearly stated Vista ready on the box but they only work as bog standard pc speakers.

I'm not mentioning half of it, in fact if it wasnt for direct x10 id revert back to XP in a heartbeat and wouldnt look back.

If you do any torrent downloading, DO NOT BUY ANY VERSION OF VISTA, after days of messing about i finally got one to download about 90% slower than under XP.

Don't worry about getting flamed...at least by mature posters anyways. As long as you aren't posting ignorant/rude/offensive/etc... posts you are fine.

Everyone has their experiences and everyone seems to have their own opinions. For me X86 (which is what is technically x32, but i understand when you say x32) Vista ultimate was great, and x64 ultimate is even better. I have but ONE problem and that's a sound problem with doesn't pose a problem to me. I have had no program problems, but i've already posted in this thread...so anyways.

Your torrent problem...i think it's the torrents you are downloading. I have downloaded a ton of torrents already (of course they are freeware programs :whistle: ) and have had no problems with any of them. So it's either the client you are running (i'm running u-torrent) or the .torrent files themselves. Not sure, but it's not Vista.

I hate to say something on my first post that might get me flamed but what the hell.. STICK WITH XP, it rocks, everything just works !!

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YOU'VE BEEN FLAMED!!!!

Don't worry about getting flamed...at least by mature posters anyways.

Sorry that was actually quite immature.

Back on track though, I have an ASUS F3Jm, but ASUS were VERY slack in releasing Vista compatible drivers. I tried Vista x64 in January it was less than useful because of the lack of drivers. It seems that they have just about everything covered now concerning drivers so I decided to give it another go.

Surprisingly, Enemy Territory doesn't work in the x86 build of Vista, so it's not an x64 specific problem

This thread inspired me to give Windows Vista another shot on my laptop, so I downloaded Vista 32-bit to trial and this time around it seems to run everything.

I saved the copy of 64-bit that I downloaded earlier this year, so out of interest I am now going to install the 64-bit version tonight onto my temp Vista partition and see if I can get everything running to the same level on the 64 bit version as I have on 32 bit.

If everything works on 64-bit Vista this time then I will probably install that when I upgrade in the near future, otherwise I will stick with the 32-bit version and buy that instead.

Although... I think Vista Ultimate comes with both 32-bit and 64-bit DVD's when you buy it. Is that true?

I've had three OSes installed on my PC. Originally XP x64, then Vista x86 RC1, and finally Vista x64 RTM.

I'm using Vista Ultimate x64 right now. I have had absolutely no hardware driver issues. In fact, all my hardware was working right after I installed Vista, I had to install no drivers whatsoever. Also, I've had no software compatibility problems, either. Every piece of software I've tried has worked just fine. I've been very pleased with the performance of Vista x64, too.

Now, Windows XP x64 was a totally different story. My sound card wasn't detected, I could find no drivers for my wireless card, and there were a few other issues. Vista x64 is a huge step forward, IMO, compared to XP x64.

x64 is just for nerds that want to get the lattest things, x32 is perfectly fine for today standards it has great driver support, great stability and most of the games run better on x32 so I'm not going to upgrade for now. lets just all wait for SP1 and then I'll think about it.

It's a good thing that I am a nerd that wants to get the latest things.

After re-installing Vista 64 it's definitely improved now, I have all my drivers installed and everything works as you'd expect.

When I get my new hard drive I think Vista x64 will be going on there, but for the moment I am sticking with XP Pro. Enemy Territory still doesn't run with punk buster enabled :cry:

x64 is just for nerds that want to get the lattest things, x32 is perfectly fine for today standards it has great driver support, great stability and most of the games run better on x32 so I'm not going to upgrade for now. lets just all wait for SP1 and then I'll think about it.

Uh huh. And if you want 4 gigs of memory?

XP is better.

Vista 32 if you want a somewhat usable OS.. Vista 64 if you only want to be able to use notepad, and possibly MSpaint.

Theres little driver support for vista to begin with, and no one is writing decent 64-bit compatible drivers...

ignorance is such a beautiful thing! you've obviously no idea what you're talking about.

Hi guys, my first post (under this name, cant remember old one)

Ive tried both versions of vista now and can honestly say i cant seem to see an actual world difference between the 2, im using a core 2, 4 gig, geforce 8 so i did expect a significant difference but no..

It would be interesting to see what kind of benchmarks that your Vista 64-bit would generate.

I hate to say something on my first post that might get me flamed but what the hell.. STICK WITH XP, it rocks, everything just works !!

Bah - everyone here has been flamed at least three or more times here...it toughens you up, along the lines of "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :yes:

problems im still having with Vista include: framerate issues on a 2 games (some kind of memory leak), i would say most games ran just that little bit better under XP (marginaly but its still there), someone mentioned mame32, well all i can say is i cant get it to even attempt an installation, this is a major bummer for me as it one of my favourite programs and have over 2000 roms i cant use : ((( HEELLLLPPPP

You can try installing Mame32 by (a) opening-up the properties of the installer program, and (b) on the "Compatability" tab of that prop-sheet you should be able to select the proper XP emulation you need for your system. A few older games that I wanted to check against Vista - such as "Homeworld 2", "Half-Life" and "StarCraft" had troubles installing untill I specified the XP Compatability for the installers...but ran without complaint once they were installed.

If you do any torrent downloading, DO NOT BUY ANY VERSION OF VISTA, after days of messing about i finally got one to download about 90% slower than under XP.

I have no problem with downloading any .torrent contect with my client (G3Torrent) on Vista. Windows Firewall may be screwing-around with the permitted ports and such, so check there and make suret the you don't have any ports blocked and/or applications blocked or permitted.

still have a webcam, memory stick !!, joystick and tv tuner (gave up on them now) that won't work at all.

I'm sure that if we all put our heads together that we could find a solution for the webcam , memory stick, joystick and tv tuner card issues.

Logitech z-10 speakers still wont run as intended, this as soured me against logitech as they clearly stated Vista ready on the box but they only work as bog standard pc speakers.

After a little digging, I think I found a patch from Logitech that specifically resolves issues for the Z-10 2.1 USB speakers:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925528/en-us

Even if your system is less than 2GB of RAM, this patch might be just what you're looking for - more info in this threat on Logitech's Forums:

http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/...message.id=1461

I'm not mentioning half of it, in fact if it wasnt for direct x10 id revert back to XP in a heartbeat and wouldnt look back.

A really good source for fixes or work-arounds are the microsoft.public newsgroups - tons of fairly new and relevant solutions there...and here as well!

The biggest issue I have with Vista overall is the orphaning of ActiveSync for Pocket PCs and removing support from within Windows Mobile for any Pocket PC device that is not running Pocket PC 2003 or later - hence, I'm regularly dual-booting XP x64 and Vista 32.

Hope this info helps you!

--ScottKin

P.S. If anyone would like to donate their old, disused Pocket PC devices to me - where I can keep one of them that runs at least Pocket PC 2003 and donate the rest to the Used Electronics drive to help my 10-year-old's Start-of-the-School-year fundraiser in September, 2007, please PM me. THANKS!

I still run Windows XP SP2 (32-bit) but inside a virtual machine (VMWare). Mainly, just to test out if the stuff I write still runs on legacy Windows platform. Yes, windows xp is a legacy OS. When an OS is a decade or older, it's considered a legacy product/technology IMO. Of course, my host OS is pure x64 Vista goodness. I also run Ubuntu linux as a guest OS. Yes, I'm a geek.

Oh, by the way, VMWare has experimental support for DirectX. So, some games will run inside the guest OS. I haven't tried throwing DX games at it to see how good it runs them though. It's pretty sweet to be able to run stuff that usually can only be run full screen inside a virtual machine window.

VMWare also supports hardware virtualization (although I don't have a cpu that has this feature both AMD and Intel offer them). I plan to get one the next time I upgrade to a better machine (quad core or octo core). It's already running pretty fast on my dual core machine. Starting up the guest OS from power up takes a while though. But once it's up and running, the speed is pretty reasonable.

No, I don't work for VMWare. :no: I just like their product. :yes:

It would be interesting to see what kind of benchmarks that your Vista 64-bit would generate.

Bah - everyone here has been flamed at least three or more times here...it toughens you up, along the lines of "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. :yes:

You can try installing Mame32 by (a) opening-up the properties of the installer program, and (b) on the "Compatability" tab of that prop-sheet you should be able to select the proper XP emulation you need for your system. A few older games that I wanted to check against Vista - such as "Homeworld 2", "Half-Life" and "StarCraft" had troubles installing untill I specified the XP Compatability for the installers...but ran without complaint once they were installed.

I have no problem with downloading any .torrent contect with my client (G3Torrent) on Vista. Windows Firewall may be screwing-around with the permitted ports and such, so check there and make suret the you don't have any ports blocked and/or applications blocked or permitted.

I'm sure that if we all put our heads together that we could find a solution for the webcam , memory stick, joystick and tv tuner card issues.

After a little digging, I think I found a patch from Logitech that specifically resolves issues for the Z-10 2.1 USB speakers:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/925528/en-us

Even if your system is less than 2GB of RAM, this patch might be just what you're looking for - more info in this threat on Logitech's Forums:

http://forums.logitech.com/logitech/board/...message.id=1461

A really good source for fixes or work-arounds are the microsoft.public newsgroups - tons of fairly new and relevant solutions there...and here as well!

The biggest issue I have with Vista overall is the orphaning of ActiveSync for Pocket PCs and removing support from within Windows Mobile for any Pocket PC device that is not running Pocket PC 2003 or later - hence, I'm regularly dual-booting XP x64 and Vista 32.

Hope this info helps you!

--ScottKin

P.S. If anyone would like to donate their old, disused Pocket PC devices to me - where I can keep one of them that runs at least Pocket PC 2003 and donate the rest to the Used Electronics drive to help my 10-year-old's Start-of-the-School-year fundraiser in September, 2007, please PM me. THANKS!

Thank You.

Love threads like these that go off on tangents.

So people are in mixed minds about vista full stop and hardware support.

Well i would imagine a large percent of hardware is fully sorted, Microsoft certainly are not stupid and wouldn't release a platform that was complete useless.

I would say that early days they have been problems, since i bought my laptop with pre-installed home basic it has been painless and very easy to use fully supported on the hardware and not a problem updating drivers.

My actual question was regarding 64 over 32 which didn't really get much said, but appears 64 is mainly for people who require it out of the box and offers little to no performance increase under standard software.

Therefore i am quite happy to continue to use my home basic edition to do what i need to do, and 64 after SP1 depending on the feedback i come across.

Good read for my thread, so thanks

I still run Windows XP SP2 (32-bit) but inside a virtual machine (VMWare). Mainly, just to test out if the stuff I write still runs on legacy Windows platform. Yes, windows xp is a legacy OS. When an OS is a decade or older, it's considered a legacy product/technology IMO.

By that logic, XP won't be a legacy OS until 2011.

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I thought I'd give my 2 cents since I've used both 32 bit and 64 bit versions for a few months now.

The 32 bit version of vista has virtually no problems with drivers. I have a Sony VAIO with a blu-ray writer, 2 gigs of ram, dual core, and a 256 gig graphics card in it. When I bought it, I assumed that because it had a 64 bit processor, that Sony would naturally hand out 64-bit copies of windows vista....I was wrong. It came with the 32 bit version pre-installed on it. So I ordered the ultimate 64-bit version from Microsoft and installed it. From the first time it booted up in March until today, I've had countless driver issues. I'll be specific:

1. Audio drivers - finally, fixed, but took forever to find the correct ones

2. Graphics drivers - Geforce doesn't support my graphics card for 64-bit processors. So I installed another driver that happened to work OK.

3. Server programs I used prior would not install...had to switch.

4. Could not burn blu-ray movies (no support).

5. All my media and special function keys no longer worked on my laptop.

6. The motion eye (video cam) on my laptop no longer worked.

7. Most recently (and also what pushed me to reinstall 32-bit vista today), no support for the iPhone through iTunes...at all.

I've seen a lot of posts on here saying that it's not Microsoft's fault...it's not vista's problem...it's the 3rd party software developers' faults. That's true, but it's still a problem nonetheless...no matter who's fault it is. Honestly, using both I have seen little difference in performance between the two versions, if any at all! So if anyone is considering moving over to the 64 bit version of windows vista, I would strongly recommend NOT doing so. If you have a SONY VAIO laptop with blu-ray...I DEFINITELY steer clear from converting over.

Hope this helps,

Curt

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As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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