Need Help: Office XP Suites

[Tenchi103]

First off I wanted to introduce myself to the forum. My name is Erik aka Tenchi103 which I've been working on adapting AP 5.6 for Microsoft Office for the past couple of months. With the help of the entire team, I've made huge progress in adapting AP to Office but now I need some help.

Do to the way Msiexec.exe updates Office, AP's detection scheme will be based on the suite of Office you have installed. Once detected, all possible updates for your suite will be installed. Problem is, I haven't been able to get my hands on a couple of suites for Office XP/2002.

If you have one of the following suites for Office XP/2002 and have some time, here is what I am missing:

Microsoft Office XP Standard Edition for Students/Teachers

Microsoft Office XP Developer Edition

Microsoft Office XP Professional

Microsoft Office XP Small Business

Microsoft Office XP Professional with Publisher

I need to verify which current updates are applicable to which suite version. I've attached an a text document that shows which updates are applicable to each suite which was derived from Microsoft's KB articles. I know for a fact though that they aren't always 100 percent accurate.

Another question I need to find out is if KB929063 is still needed or not. Windows Update doesn't list this update plus forums I go to have mixed opinions about this one. The Visio and Project versions of this update are needed so they will be left in AP.

Lastly if you have Office XP Developer Edition or Microsoft Office XP Professional with Publisher, I'm missing the product SKU found from the registry under: HKLM\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall. An English version of Office XP Developer will list a key like {XX??0409-6000-11D3-8CFE-0050048383C9} which I need the two numbers/letters that represent the "??"

OfficeXPSuiteVer1.txt

[MtnDewCodeRedFreak]

I have the Office XP Pro with FrontPage, but I haven't been using it since 2004 (sat there collecting dust, lol). I got Office Pro 2003 (all 12 apps) in April 2005 along with XP Pro.

I don't have any of the above that you need, sorry.

[+theblazingangel MVC]

would just like to say that i can vouch for tenchi103. this is the real deal!

[James_A]

Greetings Tenchi103

Answering your last question first, Microsoft Office XP Professional with Publisher 2002 doesn't have a single SKU. It is actually what the title suggests: a bundle of two products - which are installed separately (They even have different Product Keys). So, in the registry are two SKUs: 11 for Professional and 19 for Publisher.

For Office XP, kb929063 (= MS07-015) is definitely obsolete. It is superseded by kb934705 (= MS07-025), which replaces the same file. As you have already noted this is not the case for Visio and Project (because they include additional files in their versions of the update).

I've had a very quick look at the list (OfficeXPSuiteVer1.txt):-

First, kb894541 (for Publisher 2002) doesn't apply to Professional (with or without FrontPage).

Secondly, despite what Microsoft state, you need kb921567 because it is NOT superseded by later updates. This update replaces two files, whereas kb929063 & kb934705 only replace one file.

I haven't flagged kb921567 up as missing on the Office Hotfix Depot thread, because on that page kb832332 is currently shown, which will do instead.

[Tenchi103]

Answering your last question first, Microsoft Office XP Professional with Publisher 2002 doesn't have a single SKU. It is actually what the title suggests: a bundle of two products - which are installed separately (They even have different Product Keys). So, in the registry are two SKUs: 11 for Professional and 19 for Publisher.

Thanks for this information. I didn't see this suite listed on Microsoft but I heard mentionings of it. I'll remove this as a possible suite since SKU 11 and 19 already have detections implemented

For Office XP, kb929063 (= MS07-015) is definitely obsolete. It is superseded by kb934705 (= MS07-025), which replaces the same file. As you have already noted this is not the case for Visio and Project (because they include additional files in their versions of the update).

Exactly what I thought. Can't make assumptions though when you talk techie

First, kb894541 (for Publisher 2002) doesn't apply to Professional (with or without FrontPage).

Will remove =)

Secondly, despite what Microsoft state, you need kb921567 because it is NOT superseded by later updates. This update replaces two files, whereas kb929063 & kb934705 only replace one file.

I haven't flagged kb921567 up as missing on the Office Hotfix Depot thread, because on that page kb832332 is currently shown, which will do instead.

I'm probably going to add KB921567 since I did remove KB832332. I want to look into this first though before adding. Thanks a lot James!

[redfsaerw]

hello hello,

what timing, i'm in the process of reinstalling XP, and was just about to start Office updates when i noticed this thread, so i made notes along the way.

i have Office XP 2002 Standard for Students/Teachers. i did a complete installation, installing everything (Excel, Outlook, Powerpoint, & Word).

these are the 19 critical Office updates Windows Update listed (after running Autopatcher several times, and searching Autopatcher for various updates that Windows Update listed as critical, but Autopatcher didn't):

*1* Office XP Service Pack 3

*2* Critical Update for Office XP on Windows XP Service Pack 2 (KB885884)

there was also a "Microsoft GDI+ Detection Tool" critical update that i ignored because i was planning to install it after installing all the post-SP3 updates. this GDI+ update disappeared once the subsequent Office updates were installed.

all of the following critical updates were detected after the SP3 update, most of the 2004/2005 have the Genuine Office Validation Requirement annoyance,

*3a* 2004 updates:

I. Office XP Update: KB833858

II. Office XP Update: KB837253

*3b* 2005 updates:

I.Update for Access 2002 (KB904018)

II. Security Update for Office XP: WordPerfect 5.x Converter (KB873379)

*3c* 2006 updates:

I. Update for Office XP (KB913471)

II. Security Update for Office XP (KB920821)

III. Security Update for Outlook 2002 (KB905649)

IV. Security Update for PowerPoint 2002 (KB905758)

V. Security Update for SharePoint Team Services (KB911701)

VI. Security Update for Publisher 2002 (KB894541)

VI. Security Update for PowerPoint 2002 (KB923092)

*3d* 2007 updates:

I. Security Update for Office XP (KB920816)

II. Security Update for Office XP (KB934705)

III. Security Update for Office XP (KB914796)

IV. Security Update for Outlook 2002 (KB921594)

V. Security Update for Word 2002 (KB934394)

VI. Security Update for Excel 2002 (KB936513)

in the text file, you had listed: KB832668 & KB929063, as being required for the Student/Teacher, but neither of them appeared in my Windows Update. and i think all of the others were in the list, except maybe the SP3.

i haven't had the time to check out the Recommended Updates, and i just realized that i forgot to install what ever was on the second cd, so i might be back with more updates.

hope this helps, looking forward to the finished product.

[Tenchi103]

in the text file, you had listed: KB832668 & KB929063, as being required for the Student/Teacher, but neither of them appeared in my Windows Update. and i think all of the others were in the list, except maybe the SP3.

Excellent. This is exactly the informtion that I need.

KB832668: This will only show up if you have Windows 2000 installed.

I'll remove KB929063 detection from the Student and Teacher Edition plus it looks like I missed KB894541. I'll add that to the detection scheme too.

Thanks redfsaerw!

Edited July 23, 2007 by Tenchi103

[Tenchi103]

*Question for James*

Are you sure about KB894541 not applying to Professional? From redfaserw's last report, it was listed as an update from MS. The KB article: http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=894541 also states that it applys to: Publisher, Excel and Word 2002.

**Update**

I totally forgot that I own a copy of Professional with Frontpage and that MS Update does prompt the user to install. For now, I'm going to add Student but leave the rest of the detection scheme for KB894541 as it is.

[James_A]

Excellent report, redfsaerw. Your notes are some of the best I've ever seen.

I'm curious, however, as to what is on the second CD. Is it media content , or something else?

[James_A]

*Answer for Tenchi103*

Am I sure? Absolutely! Should you therefore remove it? Absolutely NOT! I had forgotten, yesterday, that there is a false detection problem with this update. If you take a closer look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894541, it states:

If you do not have Publisher 2002 installed, you may still receive an offer to install this update from Microsoft Update or from Office Update. You receive this offer if one of the programs that is listed in the "Applies to" section is installed...

The three programs listed are Publisher, Word and Excel. Since Word and Excel are in all Office suites, that means that just about everyone in the Office XP universe will be offered this update, whether it is needed or not. In order to prevent future problems with posters filling the forums with complaints that "AutoPatcher doesn't offer an update that MU does", it has to be put in.

In the meantime, I've looked again at the list:-

kb885884 is well and truly obsolete. It became obsolete as soon as kb832332-v2 was issued and again when that update was also superseded. However, looking at redfsaerw's report, he lists it because of the update scan order. Since Microsoft put this as a Windows update (not an Office update) it came up because at the time (assuming redfsaerw put everything in chronological order) Office had NO updates applied. If the Office updates had been applied first, then this update should have disappeared like the GDI one.

[Tenchi103]

If you take a closer look at http://support.microsoft.com/kb/894541, it states:

The three programs listed are Publisher, Word and Excel. Since Word and Excel are in all Office suites, that means that just about everyone in the Office XP universe will be offered this update, whether it is needed or not. In order to prevent future problems with posters filling the forums with complaints that "AutoPatcher doesn't offer an update that MU does", it has to be put in.

I just noticed the same thing myself. This is just like the update for Sharepoint. You don't need it but it's still being offered which is why I left it in. I'll do the same for this one for all suites.

Since Microsoft put this as a Windows update (not an Office update) it came up because at the time (assuming redfsaerw put everything in chronological order) Office had NO updates applied. If the Office updates had been applied first, then this update should have disappeared like the GDI one.

I knew about the GDI detection update but not about this one. I'll go ahead and test this really fast on my VM but I'm sure you're right. I'll remove it from the list for now.

**Well everybody, it looks like all these updates are applicable to all Office XP Suites except for one. If anybody has Office Developer Edition, we will be all set for Suite detection

OfficeXPSuiteVer2.txt

[redfsaerw]

Excellent. This is exactly the informtion that I need.

Thanks redfsaerw!

Excellent report, redfsaerw. Your notes are some of the best I've ever seen.

thanks guys, glad to help.

I'm curious, however, as to what is on the second CD. Is it media content , or something else?

it seems to be a media content cd, and according to the promo blurb, it contains 24,000+ images, animations, & sounds to help enhance what ever one creates with the Office suite. the EULA says for "Microsoft Office XP Media Content for Microsoft Office XP, Publisher 2002 and Publisher Deluxe 2002". i'll have to install it, and see if updates are needed for it.

kb885884 is well and truly obsolete. It became obsolete as soon as kb832332-v2 was issued and again when that update was also superseded. However, looking at redfsaerw's report, he lists it because of the update scan order. Since Microsoft put this as a Windows update (not an Office update) it came up because at the time (assuming redfsaerw put everything in chronological order) Office had NO updates applied. If the Office updates had been applied first, then this update should have disappeared like the GDI one.

yes, i listed the updates in chronological order. KB885884 was detected at the same time as SP3, but i didn't install it at that time because i figured it would be included with the SP3 update.

the numbers (1, 2, & 3) are the order in which i installed the updates, rebooting after each number, even though most didn't require a reboot. looking at my notes, the only update that actually required a restart was "Office XP Update: KB833858".

[Tenchi103]

thanks guys, glad to help.

it seems to be a media content cd, and according to the promo blurb, it contains 24,000+ images, animations, & sounds to help enhance what ever one creates with the Office suite. the EULA says for "Microsoft Office XP Media Content for Microsoft Office XP, Publisher 2002 and Publisher Deluxe 2002". i'll have to install it, and see if updates are needed for it.

Thanks redfaserw, this should help. I believe that I already did install the media content and found no updates for it but I could be wrong.

[JRosenfeld]

Slightly OT, but you might consider including some useful Office add ins that I expect many Office users would want to install, e.g.

Office sounds

Office Outlook backup

Office Converter pack (extends the range of formats one can open in Word, Excel)

compatibility pack for Office 2007 file formats (enables earlier versions to open the 2007 file formats)

and some others.

They can be found at

http://office.microsoft.com/en-gb/download...0224911033.aspx

(click on the version of Office of interest on the tabs)

most are the same for Office 2000, XP or 2003 and any suite, so the number of added items is not large. Most are also relatively small, less than 1MB.

Edited July 24, 2007 by JRosenfeld

[James_A]

Just been having a (late night) look at version 2 of the list. I don't have access to Developer, but it seems to be almost identical to Professional + FrontPage with added documentation and "developer tools".

On that basis, kb914796 should be included just as with Professional.

I've never had any updates for the Media Content CD, which has its own SKU, incidentally - 30.

There's supposed to be a deluxe version with a different SKU, but I've not seen it myself.

That leaves only kb921567.

Don't be fooled by the Microsoft docs that say its only for PowerPoint. It updates IETAG.DLL to 10.0.6731 which is a carry-over from earlier updates (and also MSO.DLL which is then superseded).

Microsoft say that this complete update is superseded, but I don't agree.

[Tenchi103]

No worries JRosenfeld. I have over 25+ addons lined up which include the four that you mentioned. The Office hotfix thread has a couple of my first add-on packs but I've added a good amount more in the last couple of days

[garlandchaos]

I've got Office XP Developer. Just as James_A said, it is Office XP Professional with FrontPage.

[Tenchi103]

Yup... Already got that down. =)

It's pretty lame for Microsoft to label this version as Developer when it's only two versions packaged together... bleh!

[garlandchaos]

It's actually pretty hefty, 7 CDs.

Developer CD

Component Update CD

Visual SourceSafe CD

Exchange 2000 Server CD

SQL Server 2000 CD

Office XP Pro w/FP CD

Media Content CD