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If you can't appreciate the message that our earth is a beautiful, wondrous place that we must respect and protect.... well ?I don't want to be your neighbor:pp

Of course I think our earth is beautiful (one of my hobbies, probably have two dozen more that I haven't uploaded yet), but many of the drawn out scenes weren't focused on earth, but the people. "I don't have much time [before Roslin dies, so let's spend the next three minutes hugging and crying]." It may not have been a literal three minutes, but it sure felt like it.

Roslin was never really my fave character, but the discision was made to show the character enjoy a new found freedom on a world they could only dream existed (especially after finding the EARTH from the tales all destoryed) so whilst we all have favourite and none favourites we have to put up with it and see each characters story come to a closer point..

you see how many are up in arms with the whole Kara character, now im sure the same be true if they did that to all the characters bar 1 or 2.

my prediction was always wrong so i stopped trying and just watched the show.. nice to read in the RM interview that they made a boob with the Kara/Daniel/Father plot when it was only to simply answer the question of the missing model no. and to just show how twisted Cavil was. but you know us fans.. we like to try and run with something with just 1 or 2 lines to back it up with. :) lol

Glad Baltar wasnt a cylon in the end, just would have made it too much of a get out of jail card free doing so.. like well sorry i was so evil and self serving but hayho im a cylon so there you go.

WAIT. Hold up...

I'm a little confused by things. A few things left open, that need explanation...

1) Starbuck

Yup, I went with the obvious. OK, so I can accept she is a different Starbuck. Fine, whatever. I personally think it's too easy to just say that much and expect fans to swallow a gaping hole in arguably your main character, but whatever... But "Harbinger of death"? Sure, she lead them "to their end" (new Earth), but "Harbinger of death"? Howso?

2) Eyes

Specifically Anders. The cylon raider that "recognised" him. Firstly it shouldn't have, as raiders aren't that intelligent ("Scar" being an episode that generally states as such). Secondly, Cavil wiped all memory of the 5. Thirdly, we have never seen such things before or since - his eye glowing red!

And is it linked to Cavil taking Tigh's eye? Something about eyes?

3) Timeline

Can we possibly put up or work on a general timeline of what the frack happened? LOL

My understanding of the timeline:

* A long time ago in a galaxy far away (sorry, but it's true)...

* "Humanity" flourishes on Kobol

* Temple is created

* Humanoid cylons are created

* Humanoid cylons invent resurrection technology

* Humanoid cylons leaves Kobol for another star system - they are known in the future as the "Thirteenth Tribe"

* Unknown catastrophe forces evacuation

* Refuge is found and becomes the "12 Trbes"

* "Gods" also seem to have abandoned Kobol

* 12 Tibes revert to a lesser industrial, lesser technical way of life

* 13th Tribe finds Earth (real) and flourishes and are able to sexually repoduce

* 13th Tribe stops using resurrection technology

* 13th Tribe seems to have invented their own mechanical beings (cylons)

* "Gods" foretell a major catastrophe on Earth (real)

* 5 members of 13th Tribe (Final 5) see visions from "Gods" and begin to prepare for evacuation

* Evac plans include re-inventing resurrection

* 13th Tribe wiped out by their version of cylons????

* Final 5 leave Earth (real) in an resurrection ship in orbit

* Final 5 plan to tell their ancestors about the issues they had with robots

* Final 5 leave a marker at horsehead nebula as a wayfinder for Earth

* Final 5 reach the temple on Kobol, but all people are gone. Temple is renamed Temple Of 5

* 12 Tribes had a few inter-colony wars but peace is found

* 12 Tribes invented mechanical beings to aid in warfare and heavy industry (cylons)

* Cylons revolt and start a 12 year war

* Cylons experiment but fail to fully integrate humans into cylon technology

* Final 5 meet cylons

* Agree to stop war if cylons are given resurrection tech

* War stops

* Final 5 + cylons create 7 models

* Cavil (1) is 1st model

* Other models are created

* Cavil rebels, kills Final 5, resurrects them and places them unknowingly into society

* Humanoid cylons (Cavil?) starts war with 12 colonies

* Very few of 12 Colonies make it out alive - but meet up at Ragnar station

* EVENTS OF THE SERIES

* Final 5 eventually come to be on Galactica

* Cylons and Colonies find Earth (real) as a wasteland

* Final 5 remember their true origins

* Cylons lead by Cavil agree to stop war for resurrection technology

* 12 colonies find a new planet, call it "Earth" (fake - our Earth) and settle about 3000(?) years ago in our timeline

* Humans invent robotics...

OK, so I missed a lot, but the timeline seems to be ok...

So where does Hera fit in? In what way is she this saviour and pivotal role? As I make out, all the above would have happened with or without her?

Athena wrote all these scrolls that are religiously followed BEFORE any of the above. Was she someone akin to the survivors who settle on Earth (fake - our Earth) but on Kobol? Thus she HAD seen it all before?

You know, if anyone has changes to the above, let me know - let's see if we can get a decent timeline.

It could be argued that Galactica went to get her and that inevitably lead them to our Earth, so in an indirect and stretching the imagination kind of way, she was key.

What I'm not 100% clear on and possibly missed was how the entire fleet happened to find a planet that was perfect for settling at the very end. There was a rendezvous point, but it just doesn't seem to make sense that they would be on their last leg, almost sitting dead in space while knowing there's a suitable planet X lightyears away. We know how Galactica got there, but how did the rest of the fleet know how to get there?

Well do we know if Kara was indeed the daughter of Daniel? I know its hinted at, but never actually said or hinted at more after that one ep.

Cause if so, the music he use to play was the music that woke up the final 4.

Hera later then gave Kara a picture with dots which were the music notes and she played the song with the err, ghost of her father?, which she then turned into numbers etc and through that found our Earth thousands of years in the past.

Its hazy in my mind, lol.

It could be argued that Galactica went to get her and that inevitably lead them to our Earth, so in an indirect and stretching the imagination kind of way, she was key.

What I'm not 100% clear on and possibly missed was how the entire fleet happened to find a planet that was perfect for settling at the very end. There was a rendezvous point, but it just doesn't seem to make sense that they would be on their last leg, almost sitting dead in space while knowing there's a suitable planet X lightyears away. We know how Galactica got there, but how did the rest of the fleet know how to get there?

Didn't it say "12 hours later" after Galactica stumbled across our Earth, they could have easily sent a ship to the fleet in that time.

Didn't it say "12 hours later" after Galactica stumbled across our Earth, they could have easily sent a ship to the fleet in that time.

You're right, it did say 12 hours later, so the logical assumption is that someone from Galactica went to the rendezvous point to bring the rest of the fleet to Earth.

You're right, it did say 12 hours later, so the logical assumption is that someone from Galactica went to the rendezvous point to bring the rest of the fleet to Earth.

Just after that scene, Hoshi joins Adama, Tigh, Cottle, and Baltar scoping out the primitive inhabitants of Earth and says "Here's your Admiral wings, they were a little heavy for me - seeing that raptor jump in to the rendevous point was the happiest day of my life." (paraphrasing ofc).

You're right, it did say 12 hours later, so the logical assumption is that someone from Galactica went to the rendezvous point to bring the rest of the fleet to Earth.

Yus they did, I remember the guy Adama left as Admiral saying he was so happy or soemthign when a Raptor appeared at the rendezvous point.

Budious said it better, lol.

You're right, it did say 12 hours later, so the logical assumption is that someone from Galactica went to the rendezvous point to bring the rest of the fleet to Earth.

YES and the song that starbucks father taught her was the jump points for new earth!

Could argue that Galactica was the dying leader even...

very nicely said!

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