Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Discussion Thread


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Mine is still on "Order Placed". :( I'm not giving up hope, though. Play.com seems to have been on the blink for the past month. I ordered GTAIV off them. It kept jumping to different stages. Up to "Processing", then to "Packing", than back to "Processing", then a few days later, I got an email saying it had been shipped. 10 minutes later, it arrived on my doorstep! :D

My Jabra BT125 is doing this as well. It went from "Order Placed" to "Processing" to "Packing" in less than 30 minutes, then an hour later it went back "Processing". It's still there as I'm typing this.

well, I'm gonna give it till the end of the day and if its not dispatched I'm gonna cancel and change to gameplay or amazon.

edit: sod it, changed to gameplay.co.uk, fair enough 1st class postage is 99p extra but they seem more reliable for release date delivery. Play.com has let me down and it arrived a day late a few times.

Oh Audio, why didn't you answer my question, are you avoiding me on purpose, have you ignored me! I can't live like this /Cut wrist.

( Sorry :shiftyninja: )

Truth is I would rather not answer it, not because there is, or there isn't. I'm not saying either way. Not many days left!!

I got me a silver DS3 off of Ebay the other day just for MGs4 and to always have a charged backup controller for longer sessions. :p

I have ordered a DualShock 3 controller aswell just for MGS4... Ceramic White is looking so awesome :p :laugh:

Woo, 3 days!

Can't wait. :D

I'll walking in to town at some silly time to pick it up, wonder if Game or anyone are having a midnight launch, doubt it though.

Plus I would be on my own. *makes sad face*

Well I've gave in and ordered it from gameplay.co.uk, I didn't see no out of stock warnings which is suprising.

Konami said there would be plenty of copies available for launch so there would be no chance of running out.

Check my post on page 60 ;)

-Rich-

Already did ;)

Guys stay off Digg, they just spoiled something big that really ticked me off, i didnt see the video but just by the title itself i can imagine what it is, damn them :(

sorry to hear that. hope it didn't ruin the whole game for you...

I'm going to stay offline as much as I can until it's release, so nobody can spoil the game for me.

Already did ;)

sorry to hear that. hope it didn't ruin the whole game for you...

I'm going to stay offline as much as I can until it's release, so nobody can spoil the game for me.

Naa, it wasnt anything HUGE, just one of those things that would have surprised me if i saw it first while playing, now im gonna be expecting it.

Guys stay off Digg, they just spoiled something big that really ticked me off, i didnt see the video but just by the title itself i can imagine what it is, damn them :(

Link me, then delete the link in a few mins. Just an http link, no one on here needs to click it.

I'll tell you if it's truthful, and how severe it is if it's true.

I'm staying off all community sites involving comments and not going on any fo the forums besides Neowin till it comes out.

I made the close mistake of reading Kotaku comments, slowly reading through i read something along the lines of "Snake..."

At which point my mind shut down and i closed the tab, and now i am avoiding all comments everywhere, and no sites where something someone can post can hit the front page of the site.

Link me, then delete the link in a few mins. Just an http link, no one on here needs to click it.

I'll tell you if it's truthful, and how severe it is if it's true.

Dont click or hover over the text if you want to remain spoiler free....

Link used to be here... deleted..

Like i said, just by the title i already know what it is, so im gonna be expecting it, i know its not anything big, but now it wont be as special as if i had seen it in game...

BTW, i didnt click the link on digg or even read the comments....

Also, the link on digg links to PS3fanboy.com i think, so stay off that site too, while you are at it, disconnect your computer from the internet... i wish i could

Edited by CY:G

Ah right, you can delete it now.

That's already been spoiled in this topic by Hanif :(

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...amp;p=589466719

And yes it is worthwhile NOT knowing it before playing, as it happens at the exact right point it should :p

Ah right, you can delete it now.

That's already been spoiled in this topic by Hanif :(

https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?show...amp;p=589466719

And yes it is worthwhile NOT knowing it before playing, as it happens at the exact right point it should :p

Ohh damn, i have been reading this topic and didnt notice he gave it away..., God, i need to get my blog fix and now im afraid, what to do hahaha, i need a firefox extension that blocks out parts of websites containing Metal Gear Solid 4 HAHAHA, if only

Ohh damn, i have been reading this topic and didnt notice he gave it away..., God, i need to get my blog fix and now im afraid, what to do hahaha, i need a firefox extension that blocks out parts of websites containing Metal Gear Solid 4 HAHAHA, if only

Go to the addons page at the firefox site and look for the Greasemonkey extension then install it and also install this http://members.optusnet.com.au/~hirokazu/p...spoiler.user.js it has a bunch of MGS terms so you wont get spoiled :D

Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p...;postcount=5676

Go to the addons page at the firefox site and look for the Greasemonkey extension then install it and also install this http://members.optusnet.com.au/~hirokazu/p...spoiler.user.js it has a bunch of MGS terms so you wont get spoiled :D

Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p...;postcount=5676

LMFAO, no WAY, hahahaha, **sends a kiss through intertubes**

THanks!!!!

Go to the addons page at the firefox site and look for the Greasemonkey extension then install it and also install this http://members.optusnet.com.au/~hirokazu/p...spoiler.user.js it has a bunch of MGS terms so you wont get spoiled :D

Source: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p...;postcount=5676

Lol!

It nice to see people put the effort in so some don't get the game ruined by other people.

I'm just happy there aren't any asses on Neowin.

And I think Audioboxer has been, how to say this, great considering, I can just bet he's slowly dying inside to talk about the game. :D

Lol!

It nice to see people put the effort in so some don't get the game ruined by other people.

I'm just happy there aren't any asses on Neowin.

And I think Audioboxer has been, how to say this, great considering, I can just bet he's slowly dying inside to talk about the game. :D

Yes I am :(

I'm holding off my 2nd play through till you guys get it so I can go again at the same time (Y)

Yes I am :(

I'm holding off my 2nd play through till you guys get it so I can go again at the same time (Y)

I was going to say, I know you were going to wait till we got the game before saying anything, but when we get the game, by the time we finish it it probably wouldn't be till late friday anyway and wont want anythign spoiled, so I was going to suggest playing through with us on thrusday or atleast waiting till the weekend before the spoilers start appearing.

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