Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Discussion Thread


Recommended Posts

Same here., with all those pretty weapons... :p Ah well, I'll try mastering stealth in my second run.

I'm doing that now, it's effing difficult in Act1 on hard :( I'm not killing anyone at all.

Yeah first play though you've gotta use weapons - Over 70 to choose from :woot:

Just you guys wait till later on! ;)

The fan service will cause you to seizure!

ps. Who's going to be first to complete outside of me! :o The race is on.

Just you guys wait till later on! ;)

The fan service will cause you to seizure!

ps. Who's going to be first to complete outside of me! :o The race is on.

This game doesn't deserve to be beaten on launch day in a race to see who can finish the fastest.

This game doesn't deserve to be beaten on launch day in a race to see who can finish the fastest.

It won't be beaten on launch day, unless you're not human.

I was joking, I will just be interested though to see who does it first.

Fan service?

I've just completed Act 1. Act 2 is looking sweet though!!

You'll see what I mean ;)

Got mine today, only managed a couple of hours play due to work (Stupid job!). Took me some getting used to, I haven't played a metal gear game since MGS2 and this one is obviously a lot different, especially the lack of RADAR but I suppose that's not a big deal once you get used to it.

So far I'm definitely liking it, got a few gripes here and there (winner of the most abrupt, pointless product placement of the year goes to Hideo Kojima for putting an iPod in the game - that actually ruined part of the experience for me), such as the constant references to Hideo Kojima everywhere. I mean it's a nice touch, but sometimes it can be a bit TOO much.

I'll see if it gets any worse for the rest of the game.

GOT IT! woot! and I'm home! woot x 2!

...but the female wants to get dinner then watch a movie... so I'm going to have to wait :(

I've been waiting for a few months... so just a couple of hours won't kill me

OMG I can hardly wait ^_^

MGS4 is so good that it deserves to be savoured.

It should not be rushed, it should be enjoyed, it is a game of astonishing quality. Games like this are Rare indeed, your lucky if you get to play one every couple of years of this quality.

Enjoy ever single second of it.

Got mine today, only managed a couple of hours play due to work (Stupid job!). Took me some getting used to, I haven't played a metal gear game since MGS2 and this one is obviously a lot different, especially the lack of RADAR but I suppose that's not a big deal once you get used to it.

So far I'm definitely liking it, got a few gripes here and there (winner of the most abrupt, pointless product placement of the year goes to Hideo Kojima for putting an iPod in the game - that actually ruined part of the experience for me), such as the constant references to Hideo Kojima everywhere. I mean it's a nice touch, but sometimes it can be a bit TOO much.

I'll see if it gets any worse for the rest of the game.

Dont go crazy if you see an Apple iBook too :)

Got mine today, only managed a couple of hours play due to work (Stupid job!). Took me some getting used to, I haven't played a metal gear game since MGS2 and this one is obviously a lot different, especially the lack of RADAR but I suppose that's not a big deal once you get used to it.

So far I'm definitely liking it, got a few gripes here and there (winner of the most abrupt, pointless product placement of the year goes to Hideo Kojima for putting an iPod in the game - that actually ruined part of the experience for me), such as the constant references to Hideo Kojima everywhere. I mean it's a nice touch, but sometimes it can be a bit TOO much.

I'll see if it gets any worse for the rest of the game.

:o

The iPod actually plays quite a large part in the game - Podcasts plus it plays music during gameplay. Word is when firmware 2.4 hits, you can use your own music.

I mean they could have used a generic non brand music player to do this, but does it really matter? :/

You also pick up new music tracks throughout the game ;)

Whoops, I left the game on pause and my total playtime for Act 1 is now near 8hrs :laugh:

On the plus side, things just got a hell of a lot more interesting :woot:

Liar! You just suck at gameeezzz1111!!!

As I said earlier in my Act1 impressions, it really is a get-to-know MGS4 act - Yes it's still really good IMO, but the game picks up much more as things go on ;)

You'd expect any story driven game to start off quite slowly though....

there is a radar, you just have to get it ;-)

Yeah I've got the eye piece, but the RADAR isn't the same as previous games. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing, it just takes some time getting used to.

A bit like the controls - I don't like how they've mapped crouch and roll to the same button, all too often snake seems to crouch when I want him to roll.

As for the iPod, I'd have preferred it to be some "special" brand instead of an Apple iPod. Not because I've got anything against Apple, but because it's completely out of place in the game - it's an old iPod model in a game set decades in the future, it has no place there.

I like the idea of the music player, just the branding is silly.

Yeah I've got the eye piece, but the RADAR isn't the same as previous games. I'm not saying that's a good or a bad thing, it just takes some time getting used to.

A bit like the controls - I don't like how they've mapped crouch and roll to the same button, all too often snake seems to crouch when I want him to roll.

As for the iPod, I'd have preferred it to be some "special" brand instead of an Apple iPod. Not because I've got anything against Apple, but because it's completely out of place in the game - it's an old iPod model in a game set decades in the future, it has no place there.

I like the idea of the music player, just the branding is silly.

The thing is people can relate to the product as an MP3 player, as well.... the iPod is the most popular MP3 player out there.

Plus of course I'm sure Konami made money of it.

It's kinda like how GTA4 has a ton of branding, but as we know branding for GTA4 is a mockery of real-life counterparts as that fits the game GTA4 is.

I can see where you're coming from, but to be completely honest I think it's quite cool it's an actual ipod, and the scroll wheel functions with the analog stick like the actual thing does.

That, and the fact I love my pod :laugh:

I really hate how you have to exit to the main menu to view the mission briefings...seems pointless unless I am missing something

:blink:

Each time you start a new chapter it shows you the mission briefing.

:blink:

Each time you start a new chapter it shows you the mission briefing.

I just started Act 1 where the girl was singing and it showed the eggs then that was it ( I had to go into the main menu to see the rest of the cutscene, from her bringing the eggs down and what not)....I then started over thinking it was bugged and the same thing. Does it start "acting" normal after Act 1?

IGN US review is up!

10 Presentation

A story worthy of a feature length film, with action that keeps you engaged from the second you hit the start button 'til the final credits roll.

10 Graphics

Incredibly detailed and visually breathtaking, with amazing camera angles, MGS4 is one of the most beautiful titles ever made.

10 Sound

Haunting melodies, the re-introduction of classic themes via iPod, and perfect line delivery by actors -- this is an aural delight from start to finish.

10 Gameplay

Not only does MGS4 include new gameplay mechanics, it shatters the mold of what's expected from the series. Stealth, action, or balanced play: the choice is yours in how you explore this MGS world.

10 Lasting Appeal

There are dozens of secrets and Sexy times, along with tons of ways to approach any combat situation. Plus, when you're done with the single La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo, MGO will keep you engaged for weeks on end.

10

Masterful OVERALL

(out of 10 / not an average)

:woot:

BTW I still do not have MGS4 stupid Gamestop.com or UPS messed something up. I got over night shipping and its still on:

Status: Billing Information Received

Shipped/Billed On: 06/11/2008

Service: NEXT DAY AIR

Weight: 1.00 Lb

I am not happy :( I am e-mailing them right now to get a refund on the shipping. They have a street date delivery guarantee if you dont get your order on June 12th they will refund the shipping price.

I bought the game at lunch today and have so far played through the first act and my early judgment is this game was way overhyped. I can see why the game reviewers were limited to topics and Kojima said he was disappointed with it. This game essentially feels like Soldier of Fortune: Payback except someone went the extra mile to write a semi-interesting plotline and develop cutscenes for it. The gameplay is linear and absent between overextended cutscenes that go rambling on about a plotline that makes little sense to someone who has not played the original titles. I don't even think GTA IV was this overhyped, seriously consider this as a rental if you are only interested in the singleplayer, I haven't dove into multiplayer yet to see if redeems the rest of the pricetag.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • I notice how you dodged the questions I had about the racism shown by ignorant, gullible, cowardly people when the Poles, like your partner, were the immigrants. Ahem. I wonder how you'd feel if native born Brits suddenly treated you as "dirty crooked immigrant" for being half Trump-American? If they ordered you to leave and "go back to your corrupt country" (on the other side of the Atlantic), would you go? The truth is based on facts as supported by evidence. As requested in your previous posts, I have used the facts in your own post to show everyone the truth.
    • US citizens are paying to their government, who could use that to fund healthcare and tuition and relieve the costs of these for citizens instead of making tax breaks that overwhelmingly favor the rich. I'm not saying that tariffs are the correct solution, but what else would they be used for? What else could Trump have in mind for wanting them, if he hasn't figured out that labor costs are higher in the US?
    • I’m in need of a new chair and it sounds like the backrest cannot be locked? I also sat on a Herman miller and was devastated that it couldn’t be locked also, what is going on with chairs. I want to be able to lock the backrest into any position but not even the Herman’s do that
    • Sihoo Doro C300 Pro V2 Ergonomic Office Chair review: The Ikea of chairs by Steven Parker I've reviewed a few gaming chairs over the past three years or so and generally found them to score well in our reviews. SIHOO reached out asking if I was interested in taking a look at their flagship chair, the Doro C300 Pro V2. I never got the chance to check out its predecessor, but the V2 is described as an "Adaptive Ergonomic Chair." It became available to buy in April of this year. Let's get things rolling with a closer look at the specifications and features. Specifications Doro C300 Pro V2 Model Ergonomic Materials Mesh Back and Seat; Soft PU Coated Armrests Height adjustability 45.5 - 53 cm / 17.5" - 20.9" Seat (w+d) 52 x 43 - 47 cm / 20.5" x 16.9" - 18.5" (adjustable) Backrest 52 – 60 cm / 20.5" - 23.6" (adjustable) Lumbar support Mesh built-in (adjustable) Armrest adjustability 8D Bionic Armrests Rocking angle 105°, 120°, 135° (fixed) Neck support Mesh built-in (adjustable) Net weight 27.3 kg / 59.64 lbs Weight support 150 kg / 330 lbs Colors Black, White Warranty 5 years (upon registering) Price $499.99, $539.99 Introduction At first glance, it looks like a chair that in another life wants to be a Herman Miller; It certainly looks like my Aeron Remastered, but the Doro C300 Pro V2 has quite a few more features and costs quite a bit less. SIHOO says that it is made up of a "DynaCore" system that tracks your movement and synchronizes the headrest, backrest, lumbar support, and armrests as you shift, twist, or recline. They also say that the "SyncroFlex Backrest" molds to your spine, which kind of describes how the mesh fabric works in most ergonomic chairs, but anyway. Below are the meat and potatoes measurements for the chair. Here is the same tech sheet, but in inches. Durability I would be remiss to not talk about the various durability testing this chair underwent before coming to market, as this is claimed on the product page. First of all, the chair is BIFMA-, SGS-, and TÜV-certified. As for durability, the tests undergone were: 100,000 Castor cycles tested 120,000 Armrest cycles tested 120,000 Recline cycles tested 120,000 Gas lift cycles tested 60,000 Armrest durability cycles tested 120,000 Rotation cycles tested Nothing about weights testing, though. Now that's all disclosed, now onto my own personal findings. Assembly The Doro C300 Pro V2 came in two large boxes (1) (2), and everything was packed very well, protecting the different parts of the chair. In the box, there is a folded sheet that explains the 12 steps to assemble it; they are: Remove the bottom cover on the aluminum base; Insert the five legs into the aluminum base and use ten screws to fasten them; Insert the castors into the legs; Replace the bottom cover on the bottom of the aluminum base; Place the Class 4 Hydraulics gas cylinder into the aluminum base; Screw the bottom part of the arm rests, taking care of the orientation using two screws on each side; Use three torx screws to fasten the footrest to the bottom of the seat; Fasten the backrest to the seat using four torx bolts; Fasten the armrests to the backrest using four Torx bolts (two on each side), taking care to note the orientation; Place the chair onto the Class 4 Hydraulics gas cylinder; Insert the headrest into the top of the backrest; Use two torx screws to fasten the headrest to the backrest. There's also an online guide you can refer to. Carefully unpacking the two boxes took around 15 minutes because almost everything is wrapped in plastic and protective foam; the chair assembly itself took around an hour. I say in the above assembly steps to take note of the orientation, because it's not obvious which way around the bottom portion of the armrests go, and although there is an L and R on the bottom of the armrests, it also wasn't clear from the instructions which was actually left or right, facing the chair, or in the seated down orientation? Anyway, I ended up putting the bottom portions on the wrong sides, and after securing one of the armrests, I discovered that although it was on the correct side, the armrest base could rotate a full 360°, but not when bolted to the chair, so I had to remove it, rotate it, and then bolt it back on. Truly an Ikea experience! Also, to complicate things further, although all the parts are labeled from A to X (yes, that's 24 parts) unhelpfully, these letters do not appear on the parts themselves or the package with the bolts, screws, and washers. There's also a pair of protective gloves in the box, but I think they were made for much smaller hands than I have. Even my friend, who is 5.1, had difficulty putting them on. Once assembled, I needed to sit down. Anyway, as I said, it looks quite similar to my Herman Miller. And here is the back of it. If you look at the product page and on Amazon, it seems like a lot of thought has gone into the chair itself and what it's capable of, but there is no mention at all about the castors, and this is an area where I think the chair trips up quite quickly. I found it difficult to move the chair in any direction. I asked a friend who came to visit me earlier this week to test my findings, and she said that the wheels were "no good," so it definitely isn't just me. I am 6'2 myself and a big guy, I work from home and gained a few pounds from mostly staying in and the hell away from other people. However, the Doro C300 Pro V2 is rated for up to 150kg (330lbs), which in my case is used well within its max rating. Ergonomics The number of adjustments you can make, right up to setting it in nap mode — which I haven't fully tested yet — is what you'd expect from a premium chair. Yes, you can go up and down (max 7.5 cm adjustment), rock back and forth (with tilt adjustment), and lock the chair between three stages of 105°, 120°, 135°, which is not quite as flat as the AndaSeat I tested at 160°. Some thought has also gone into the "8D" armrests, too, which are cushioned but quite firm; you'll only know it if you press hard into the PU-covered tops, which give about half a centimeter, but it's enough to ensure your skin won't get awkwardly stuck to it in warmer (or sweatier) conditions. It almost feels like plastic and is very easy to keep clean. However, the armrest positions move far too easily, and I am not sure what that "elbow" function is. Maybe it is good for a short person with short arms, anyway, I never used it and kept it flat at all times. There are eight levels of adjustment for the armrests, they are: backwards, forwards, swing left/right, height up and down, tilt, and 360° rotation, which can be handy for desk clearance. As I said, the armrest pads shift far too easily, which could give off an ergonomic vibe, but who wants the armrest sliding when you are shifting weight? The height adjustability does lock into place when lifting and adjusting. Comfort This is ultimately what it boils down to at the end of the day, right? Quite a lot of reviews praise the comfort of this chair, and I don't disagree that the mesh seating is quite comfortable. I am used to the material from my daily Herman Miller. However, the backrest cannot be locked into place, and this is actually a feature; as you shift or recline yourself on the chair, the backrest moves with your body. It took some getting used to. The lumbar gives ample support, but I would have preferred an adjustable one built into the seat base, as this causes the backrest to move up and down at will. Again, as with my previous chair review, this chair is also rated for tall people, but nowhere in the product documentation does it say how tall. Being 6'2 myself, I'm happy to say that the backrest is tall and wide enough, and thought has been given to being able to adjust the neck rest, but as others have mentioned in their reviews, people as tall as 6.2ft is about the limit for the neckrest. Conclusion What I didn't like The footrest is rated for 15kg (33 lbs), which to me seems a bit light, and after looking online, it seems like a chair footrest for adults must be at least twice that rating. In all honesty, they are just hollow metal tubes, so it is not recommended to let a kid sit on them. I also feel like it doesn't really go out far enough for my height, so that kind of puts the dampener on me being able to use it regularly. I'll just have to continue to use my subwoofer as a footrest! I do not like the armrests being able to shift around as easily as they can, and they are a little too forward-positioned in the chair to comfortably sit close to my desk, because even in the lowest height position, they don't allow me to go under the desk like is possible with my Herman Miller. I also feel like this chair could have been delivered partially constructed, especially the armrests on the seat, and why the aluminum base wasn't already pre-constructed (without the castors) is baffling, considering it would have fit in one of the two boxes that way. The instructions also need to be clearer. On the pamphlet, there's an A to X listing (which is also used in the steps), but none of the physical parts use this lettering system! What I did like I'll be honest, I haven't used it for very long, just one week, and seating comfort is subjective after all! Any spills wiped straight off it, the stitching, and the lines look great, not a fray to be seen or stitch out of place. It looks kind of cool, too. My favorite feature of these seats is the nap mode. While you're not lying completely flat, it leans far back enough to make you easily doze off after a heavy gaming or working session. Overall, this chair offers plenty of comfort features. The MSRP does vary quite a bit depending on the region, at £549.99 in the UK, and €580 in Europe, and $599 before tax in the U.S. However, shipping is free, which is a bonus for such a heavy item. Is it worth it, though? At three years' warranty, I think it's a decent deal. Another firm out of Germany sent me a free replacement hydraulic gas spring for a chair that failed after almost four years, so it was well outside its two-year warranty. My advice is to always try, as you might have the same luck I did. If I could fault it at all, it would be the constant shifting of the armrests and backrest. Where to buy Although the footrest variant normally costs $539.99, it has been discounted to $469.99 on the official website in Black or White. In fact, the non-footrest variant is only $40 cheaper. On Amazon, it currently costs more at $499.99 links below. Sihoo Doro C300 Pro V2 for $469.99 (official website) Sihoo Doro C300 Pro V2 for $499.99 at Amazon US SIHOO provided a free sample without any review or pre-approval. Good to know This Amazon link is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. Check out Today's Deals on Amazon | or our recent tech deals. Become a Prime member (for Students or SNAP) via Neowin Get Prime Access - Prime for half price (for qualifying Medicaid, EBT, SNAP) Subscribe to Prime Video, Audible Plus, Music Unlimited or Kindle Unlimited via Neowin As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
  • Recent Achievements

    • Conversation Starter
      jessse3334 earned a badge
      Conversation Starter
    • Reacting Well
      JuvenileDelinquent earned a badge
      Reacting Well
    • One Month Later
      Excellence2025 earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      Excellence2025 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • Week One Done
      flexorcist earned a badge
      Week One Done
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      506
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      207
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      151
    4. 4
      Steven P.
      73
    5. 5
      macoman
      62
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!