Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots Discussion Thread


Recommended Posts

I don't sit around, "Waiting" to have a break, I have a 'break' when I want to, pause during a cutscene or whenever it suits me - The installation is bothersome and an inconvenience, specially when it needs to install acts AGAIN.

They may not annoy you, but for some they are annoying.

EDIT: Arg, the game just froze and my last save is like 20 minutes back :angry:

Honestly, they really don't bother me in the slightest. I thought they would, I really did (in fact there's a post somewhere in this thread about it from me), but I don't mind at all. I can walk away, grab something to eat or drink, and come back and it's usually ready to go.

I'm just listening to the OST I got with my copy and really... when you're playing the game you hardly notice how great it is on itself. It blends perfectly IMO, gives you all the right extra feeling when you're playing...

Just ignore them, people will whine for whinings sake. Ignore the fact that MGS4 is a masterpeice and all the fun they will get out of it the 3 min per act install really ruins the game apparently.

It's not long enough to be annoying at all. In my opinion it comes at a time that a break is welcome anyway. People really do blow the installations out of proportion.

+1. It's only a few minutes. I just use it to take a short break, which we all should be doing when playing games for so long anyway! They even advise it when you're installing.

The MGS4 installation is not too long. Look at Gran Turismo 5 Prologue. That has less than MGS4, but it takes up much more space on your hard drive, and takes a lot longer to install.

It's worth waiting a little for it. You have to wait for a reason - and the reason is probably to do with the flow of the game. If it loads everything from Blu Ray instead, you will do a lot more waiting.. in the wrong places. Which would be really annoying.

Just curious, has anyone tried out the online? LOL

Everyone is talking about the SP, but no talk of the online aspect at all???

Is that a bad sign?

I did get into the Beta thanks to a member hooking me up (thanks Aaron), but because the Beta got pushed back it started the weekend of the trip to Seattle for us staff, then GTA IV was out that Tuesday, so I signed onto the Beta twice total, and especially not playing the series ever I was completely lost, but even getting owned I definitely felt it had potential and had a SOCOM meets humor vibe to it all.

I personally am probably not going to even attempt going online until I beat the SP game, and considering I am still on ACT 1 and already 4 Hours in I doubt that is coming anytime soon (I am taking things super slow and really getting as familiar as I can with absolutely everything but that may change as I am really feeling the controls as almost second nature now), but part of me is definitely really, really curious as to if the MP aspect is any good??

Main reason I am interested is I have about 6 real world friends who now own a PS3, never-mind everyone on here, so chances are I can get a good squad up and running fairly quickly with a little bit of planning, so I definitely want to do that eventually.

Or should I just got ahead and get Battlefield Bad Company like I pretty much planned on doing anyway? ;)

Yeah personally I've not touched the Online. It just doesn't seem right for me.

The Metal Gear experience has always been the cinematic experience - and throwing all that away and just racking up kills online doesn't interest me in the slightest.

The unique thing MGO will rely on is scenarios like Everyone vs Snake, where one person is assigned as Snake and has his abilities...

You'll probably get Everyone vs "Insert other MGS4 character", or maybe various deathmatch modes where certain members on each team get to go some MGS character.

Everyone vs Psycho Mantis would be funny :laugh:

I'm sure online will be solid, and it will survive from dieing out as MGS always has a small hardcore base of fans that will be playing it for months.

I'll be getting stuck into it soon, to see how good I can get.

Yeah, I've been playing a few matches the last few days.

The game hasn't changed since the Beta, except a few more maps and weapons. Still not too fond of it, I do like how the weapon handles and the realistic based features. But mostly, the maps are too small and gameplay too fast to have any 'tactical' matches, which this game is well suited for. This may differ from server to server, but the game modes and servers I tried, people were running around like crazy and the match ended up like a slow quake match.

You have no real chance of using cover, crawling and sneaking in general so the 'stealth' part which defines Metal Gear is thrown out the window most of the time.

Also, I haven't had any 'experience' playing with people I know, but the squad options seems very limited / non-existent. This game would be perfect for a Team Survival sorta' gamemode, where you have have to kill the opposing team and no respawns, plus having a few friends working together.

Unfortunately It's currently just run & gun, no tactics, no nothing. We also need a game-mode where people die a bit faster, can't take it when you need to empty half a clip into players or get a headshot.

But I'll definitely wait and see what future update brings and when people start learning the game, see if they start playing more tactical.

Just curious, has anyone tried out the online? LOL

Everyone is talking about the SP, but no talk of the online aspect at all???

Is that a bad sign?

I did get into the Beta thanks to a member hooking me up (thanks Aaron), but because the Beta got pushed back it started the weekend of the trip to Seattle for us staff, then GTA IV was out that Tuesday, so I signed onto the Beta twice total, and especially not playing the series ever I was completely lost, but even getting owned I definitely felt it had potential and had a SOCOM meets humor vibe to it all.

I personally am probably not going to even attempt going online until I beat the SP game, and considering I am still on ACT 1 and already 4 Hours in I doubt that is coming anytime soon (I am taking things super slow and really getting as familiar as I can with absolutely everything but that may change as I am really feeling the controls as almost second nature now), but part of me is definitely really, really curious as to if the MP aspect is any good??

Main reason I am interested is I have about 6 real world friends who now own a PS3, never-mind everyone on here, so chances are I can get a good squad up and running fairly quickly with a little bit of planning, so I definitely want to do that eventually.

Or should I just got ahead and get Battlefield Bad Company like I pretty much planned on doing anyway? ;)

Cmon DL, get a move on :p

You've probably not even experienced a proper boss battle yet ;)

I saw what you did there :p

Haha, I didn't until you pointed it out :pinch: :laugh:

When you getting to play MGS4 sanctified? :( Any chance you can borrow a PS3?

Play with people who use mic's and want a good game and there is no 'run and gun' tactics to be seen.

Speaking of mics, could someone possibly help me with my headset? I bought the Jabra BT125, and I tried it out on MGO, and I don't think it was working. I've paired it up with the PS3, and it works fine on the XMB, but I didn't hear anything in MGO. It recognises it, and shows the mic symbol, but whenever I talk, it doesn't register it, and I couldn't hear anyone else. I tried turning it on and off again as well. All I get is a little crackle when playing, and that's it.

Haha, I didn't until you pointed it out :pinch: :laugh:

When you getting to play MGS4 sanctified? :( Any chance you can borrow a PS3?

I have played every single metal gear game around two years after its original release so Im sure I will open my "OMG MGS4 rocks!" thread in 2010. Taxes, import fees, conversion rates, here in Mexico a PS3 cost us around $800 dollars and Im sure MGS4 will cost around $85 (the normal edition). We just dont have that kind of money :/

I have played every single metal gear game around two years after its original release so Im sure I will open my "OMG MGS4 rocks!" thread in 2010. Taxes, import fees, conversion rates, here in Mexico a PS3 cost us around $800 dollars and Im sure MGS4 will cost around $85 (the normal edition). We just dont have that kind of money :/

Buy an airplane ticket to the UK and live with AB for a few days :laugh:

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • Yup, that's a doozy right there 😄
    • It's a bundle of tools created by a variety of people, so things can go wrong sometimes. It's a great addition to Windows, and I use a lot of the tools on a daily basis. Also, it's still a 0.**** release so quick updates are to be expected 😉
    • Oh, I did. And it's even worse than I was hoping! Besides a lot of techno-babble jargon (yes I understand 100% of it but it's still all just techno-babble) there's 2 key points that make me super-weary about even considering testing this out. -- By default, after installation, a relay is automatically set up, so you do not need to care about that. * Non-chatmail apps use email servers as a long-term message archive while chatmail clients use email servers for ephemeral instant message relay. * Supporting the full variety of classic email setups would require considerable development and maintenance efforts, and complicate making chatmail-based messaging more resilient, reliable and fast. -- Basically, the end-user device is the 'server' (relay) so there is NO ARCHIVING whatsoever because every message is necessarily ephemeral. Great for techno-paranoia (and for illicit activities preferring no tracks to cover) but terrible for everybody else. It's also ironically contradictory to engineering principles of redundancies besides the transport layers due to the explicit absence of any persistent storage. Instead of 'classic email address' retaining multi-GB messaging archives on its server, now every device must retain 100% of those storage demands. (Email messages were originally meant to be short correspondences, not the multi-MB attachments boondoggle that now exists with unlimited spam engines flooding every potential recipient.) Any device swap or reset (or loss) makes the entire message history go bye-bye forever... lest there's an off-device auto-archival "relay" mechanism that's really a separate server that holds onto all transported messages (an email server) that utilizes 'chatmail email address' identities (like an email server) and its own persistent storage archive (like an email server). But... this solution is hoping to exist alongside real-world email address identities (based on the email server relay pathway) but simply render messages in chat thread format in an ephemeral manner (with contents being encrypted, and messages auto-expiring) ... In the end, it's a chat app/experience for the Web3/P2P-at-all-costs zealots. (I have accts on all sorts of federated web3 services so I understand the technical and non-technical alike.) For any practical users, however, it's just another service to download/install, register, cross-share id cards/qr codes, but know that there's no history/archive whatsoever (by design) so no account/message recovery whatsoever... update the device, install a bummed update patch, or dare upgrade your device... all history, poof, gone. Ya gotta start everything over again like they're a brand new person.
    • You've tried DuckDuckGo and Brave Search, now get serious with SearXNG by Paul Hill Over the last decade, it has become quite trendy to dump Google Search in favor of privacy-preserving alternatives such as DuckDuckGo, Startpage, and Brave Search. These search engines have done a very good job at highlighting dodgy practices by Google, such as adjusting search results based on what it thinks you’ll like (filter bubble) and stalking you around the web to advertise to you. While these search engines are good starting points when compared to non-private services like Google, there are still quite a few issues with them. For example, both DuckDuckGo and Brave Search require running non-free JavaScript in your web browser, which is comparable to running proprietary software on your computer, meaning you can be sure about what it’s actually doing in the background. Another issue is that these search engines are hosted on the respective companies’ servers, and you are using a service that you don’t control. Finally, DuckDuckGo, while offering privacy features, relies heavily on Microsoft’s infrastructure for its results and, in the past, has permitted Microsoft tracking scripts. If you are looking for a more private search solution than DuckDuckGo, Brave Search, and Startpage, then I recommend taking a look at SearXNG. It is a privacy-respecting metasearch engine that can be used via different public instances, which is useful for mobile users, or you can install it on your computer or server and run it locally with maximum control. Unlike Google, Bing, or Brave Search, which crawl the web and have their own search indexes, SearXNG is a metasearch engine, meaning it taps other search engines, stripping your identifying data, such as IP address, user agent, and cookies, in the process. Your search query is sent to the other search engines you enable before aggregating the results. SearXNG has deployment flexibility. If you are a casual user or a mobile user and don’t want to run SearXNG locally, you can use a public instance that is hosted by someone else. The main problem with this is that you are putting trust in the maintainer of the instance regarding stuff like logs that they may keep; good hosts should have a privacy policy explaining their policies. If you are trying to use SearXNG, you can also install the software on your device and then head to 127.0.0.1:8080 in your browser and search from there. While you don’t have to worry about a third-party admin like the public instances, search engines could ultimately block your IP address if they frown on you pulling in their search results locally. If you want to run it locally, it’s a good idea to use proxies or VPNs to hide your actual IP. You don’t have to worry about this with a public instance, as search engines never see your IP address. The main privacy benefit of using SearXNG is that it isolates your identity from the underlying engines that it’s capable of searching, such as Google and Bing. These search engines will only see requests coming from a generic server, so they can’t profile you and create a bubble filter that influences what results you see. This also ensures that your search engine doesn’t turn into an echo chamber that prevents you from reading alternative points of view. As a free software project, you are allowed to inspect SearXNG to make sure there are no negative features bundled inside. This sets it apart from the privacy search engines mentioned earlier because you can’t check their source code. As a meta search engine, you are not restricted to getting results from one source. Due to the fact that it scrapes content from other websites, your SearXNG instance will periodically get blocked from different providers, so it’s good to select a range of sources as a backup. While enabling all of the services will give you great results, this can make searching slower. I am personally happy with slower searches for the best results, but you can always check which providers are slowing down your search from the search results page and disable them to speed things up. If you want decent results quickly, enable the main search providers such as Google, Brave, DuckDuckGo, Qwant, Bing, and Yahoo. This way, you get wide coverage without the latency. On the Engines tab in Preferences, do note that there are different tabs, such as General, Images, and Videos, with their own providers that can be toggled and are not covered by "Enable all" while on the General tab, so be sure to dig into each. Just a note, if you want to enable everything, press "Enable all" in one tab, then hit save at the bottom of the page, then do the next tab, and so on. If you press "Enable all", then do that in each tab, and then save, nothing will stick. When I had just some of the search engines enabled, I searched “define nefarious” and results came back with the definition of “define” - obviously that was a sucky result. However, when I had everything enabled, it found dictionary pages for the word “nefarious” and even had an inline definition on the sidebar, which is quite nice too - that was delivered by WolframAlpha for anyone wondering! Probably the worst thing about this meta search engine is that the engines you select are saved with a cookie, so you must enable them on every new device you use SearXNG on, including if you decide to go into incognito mode with your web browser. Honestly, I would say this is the most annoying aspect, and perhaps if your browser lets you choose a separate private browsing search engine, then it would be best to use DuckDuckGo for this portion of your browsing. Another weakness of SearXNG is the random blocking of it by search providers. When you are on the results page, expand the “Response time” box, and it will show things like “Suspended: too many requests” or “access denied”. This is why it is good to enable several providers so that there is always a fallback to get results from. I won’t pretend SearXNG will be for everyone, however, if you enable all of the providers and put up with the slower response time, the results can be really amazing. Even if you don’t want to use it as your daily driver, keeping a bookmark handy that links to it is a good idea if you ever feel like doing a deep dive into a niche topic where other search engines are just failing to bring up any good result, due to the amount of sources it looks on. If you’re interested in radical user control over the software you use, installing SearXNG locally can also be a good idea, but be prepared to be temporarily blocked from sites if you trigger bot sensors without a VPN. Personally, I’ve opted to use a public instance, rather than install it myself. If you want to use it via a public instance, head over to searx.space to find a provider. Let us know in the comments if you have used SearXNG or its predecessor, Searx. What do you think about the quality of the results?
    • Dear Neowin, If it is not too much trouble, can you start using the new-ish designations for Insider Preview? "Experimental" is different than "former Dev" as it can apply to different models, eg 26H1 or 26H2 etc, right? No need to seed confusion IMHO. And, please "finally" update your graphics. OK?
  • Recent Achievements

    • Week One Done
      flexorcist earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Month Later
      Woland13 earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      Woland13 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Year In
      bernmeister earned a badge
      One Year In
    • Week One Done
      Scoobystu earned a badge
      Week One Done
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      503
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      226
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      158
    4. 4
      Steven P.
      75
    5. 5
      FloatingFatMan
      71
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!