I can't believe this!

[Titoist]

So my girlfriend wanted me to drive her to the Roman Catholic Cemetary so she can visit her deceased grandmother. So I drive there and let my girlfriend do her stuff. I got really bored really fast, so I started walking around looking at the graves, interested to see which ones are really old and which ones are recent, interesting names, etc... then I walk by a grave and notice its Croatian. I'm like "nice"... but then I looked closer.... it had the Croatian flag on it and a U. Quick glance and it sent chills down my spine. So I started walking some more.. and then I saw more of the symbol and more and more and more... to the point where it became really common. I was like WTF!! Now many people would not know this, because this is one of the forgotten issues and many of you are wondering what I am talking about. Well let me show you.

The symbol is this;

It stands for Ustase. For more information, go to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usta%C5%A1e

That is the reason it sent chills down my spine. Then I was extraordinarily surprised that they were even allowed to put this on the grave. Considering Canada and my country (Yugoslavia) were fighting against the Axis in WW2, these graves (in my view) simply give the finger to all the allies.

So I started finding out how prevalent this is. Check this out: http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=914

To give u a better glimpse, here

It is amazing that this is going on, sure there are some people, but this is HUGE. Didn't these people learn ANYTHING from history? You can claim its a "free country" but that doesnt give u the right to do whatever you want, especially spread hate.

This opened my eyes this weekend that I felt I just had to share it.

[angrybrit]

There are some people who still believe in failed doctrines like socialism. Believe it!

[ATGC]

I never knew about this but now I know. Best thing you can do is spread the word.

You could contact the Mayor's office at your area and ask why this is allowed. I would like to hear their response.

[Titoist]

no point, i think its allowed because nobody really knows what it is and there is probably less than 20 million people in the world that actually know it.

[McSmiggins]

no point, i think its allowed because nobody really knows what it is and there is probably less than 20 million people in the world that actually know it.

That's probably exactly the reason. Best common example is Spike Milligan's grave, where he couldn't write "I told you I was ill" on it, but had to have it in Latin, as people wouldn't be able to read it.

[PricklyPoo]

Very insteresting read!

Learned something new. :)

[Rappy Veteran]

Very interesting

[sanctified Veteran]

There are some people who still believe in failed doctrines like socialism. Believe it!

Really? Because socialism is what its making China a first level country, economically.

But well, Im not socialist nor I support it.

[The2]

Most of these people don't know what are they actually "following". They just do it because they are noticed in public. Hate? Very little... Ignorance? Oh yes, that's the problem.

And that link (http://www.juliagorin.com/wordpress/?p=914)

is just insulting my country and my people.

"as happened in Croatia?s 1990s war for independence. "

yeah, you were here? Bombs were falling on your house? Lost somebody in war maybe? Lived with somebody who had to kill someone (enemy on your territory defending your country) and then suffering from PTSP syndrome...

I'm not saying that there were no crimes.. But it's just like saying "allies were bad too, just remember Dresden" (google it if you don't know)

and I don't get it, the picture with text below "?For the Homeland, we are Ready.?

that's bad somehow? If that's true, I wouldn't be living in democracy now and I certainly wouldn't be writing this.

[1Frothy]

Wow those are short shorts. :ninja:

[mtrftw]

Ustase stuff is still illegal in Croatia isn't it?

[Suren]

Really? Because socialism is what its making China a first level country, economically.

But well, Im not socialist nor I support it.

Believe me China is not socialist!

[Titoist]

Just to let you know, 70% of the European Union is Socialist, even Canada is socialist. The government does not represent it, but the system does. Socialism doesnt mean you are strictly "communist" in any way. A socialist country can be a "capitalist" country as well, its just defined by the services and benefits that it provides to the citizens, such as free healthcare, schooling, dental, job security, etc. So the system is a mix between Capitalism and Communism

[Matthew S.]

^ Ya there commies.

And ya learn something new about your heritage every day... (being half Croatian and half Ukrainian I know more about Ukraine then I do Croatia...)

[Suren]

Just to let you know, 70% of the European Union is Socialist, even Canada is socialist. The government does not represent it, but the system does. Socialism doesnt mean you are strictly "communist" in any way. A socialist country can be a "capitalist" country as well, its just defined by the services and benefits that it provides to the citizens, such as free healthcare, schooling, dental, job security, etc. So the system is a mix between Capitalism and Communism

it is called a mixed system.

[Thrawn]

You don't think it should be "allowed"? Who are you to say that? I think such feelings are childish. Also, its not as if every single thing about the Nazis was evil. They were our enemies in WWII. Demonizing them is just propaganda and brainwashing.

[Roadrunna]

You don't think it should be "allowed"? Who are you to say that? I think such feelings are childish. Also, its not as if every single thing about the Nazis was evil. They were our enemies in WWII. Demonizing them is just propaganda and brainwashing.

People who remember life under the SS would disagree with you there but yes, the japanese committed far worse attrocities particularly in occupied territories. The fact that so many died in Nazi concentration camps and some after undergoing horrific experiments is the reason why they are considered evil. Plus this happened in Europe where we thought we were all civilised.

Edited March 27, 2008 by Roadrunna

[thugilex]

nice to know

[_bobcat_ Veteran]

There are some people who still believe in failed doctrines like socialism. Believe it!

Yes, there is a lot of ignorance in the world.

[LightIdea]

So my girlfriend wanted me to drive her to the Roman Catholic Cemetary so she can visit her deceased grandmother. So I drive there and let my girlfriend do her stuff. I got really bored really fast

Insensitive much?

[Coldgunner]

You don't think it should be "allowed"? Who are you to say that? I think such feelings are childish. Also, its not as if every single thing about the Nazis was evil. They were our enemies in WWII. Demonizing them is just propaganda and brainwashing.

I agree, the atrocities were instigated by the leadership. the ordinary infatrymen, airmen and sailors were the exact same as the allies and serving their country.

[rob.derosa]

It is amazing that this is going on, sure there are some people, but this is HUGE. Didn't these people learn ANYTHING from history? You can claim its a "free country" but that doesnt give u the right to do whatever you want, especially spread hate.

This opened my eyes this weekend that I felt I just had to share it.

None of the communist countries that have ever been in existence have been fair to their populace, there was always a secret police enforcing the state's will etc, and yet you still use the hammer and sickle in your signature. Hypocrisy much?

[angrybrit]

Yes, there is a lot of ignorance in the world.

I agree 100%.

I had not looked closely at the top poster's sig. He's showing hate symbols relating to communism yet taking stabs at nazism. :whistle:

[ZombieFly]

I agree, the atrocities were instigated by the leadership. the ordinary infatrymen, airmen and sailors were the exact same as the allies and serving their country.

the majority of atrocities carried out by the Germans in WW2 were carried out explicitly by the SS, not the standard soldiers. You didn't get into the SS by accident, you knew what you were there for and fully endorsed what they were doing. You can't really compare this to being a general soldier following orders.

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

the symbol isnt surprising... you ever see how many gravestones have Masonic symbols on them... or inverted Pentagrams?