PS3 has outsold Xbox 360 in Europe


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Xbox was better than PS2

and PS3 is better than XBOX360

(when you combine every single feature of a specific console)

end of discussion. Anyone saying something against this above statement has no idea about technology.

It is as clear as How ferrari is better car than porsche (only some duche porsche owners would say its better than ferrari because well they have a porsche instead of ferrari)

PS3 better than XBOX360 and of course it will sell more in Europe and Asia. But in USA people are obsessed with XBOX360

Xbox was better than PS2

and PS3 is better than XBOX360

(when you combine every single feature of a specific console)

end of discussion. Anyone saying something against this above statement has no idea about technology.

It is as clear as How ferrari is better car than porsche (only some duche porsche owners would say its better than ferrari because well they have a porsche instead of ferrari)

PS3 better than XBOX360 and of course it will sell more in Europe and Asia. But in USA people are obsessed with XBOX360

I don't think its quite that clear cut. I don't agree that either console is better than the other. In 2/3 years time we will more than likely see a difference as I honestly believe that the PS3 has lots more to untap than the 360 (and when developers stop using the 360 as lead platform) but at this point they are very comparable. Both have great exclusive and non exclusive games and any true gamer should own both.

I don't know how Sony manages to outsell 360 even after releasing a system with 12 month gap with the closest competitor. Also not having any good games for 6+ months after the system released, either he's shooting star or Europe has totally ******* gamers who don't know how to by a gaming system.

No offence but if you see a high prices, no good games and dust collecting console and you buy that thing it's pretty much clear your are a f**b** and nothing else. I do agree I have 2 PS3's myself but I like many other sane gamer bought after the prices was lowered and when they started releasing good games (Like Ninja Gaiden, GT5, etc).

I just don?t for out my money for any company because I used to like their product.

I have a PS3 and the ONLY reason it is collecting dust is due to the fact that I am moving around the country for 8 months and can't bring it with me.

Also who cares about what you think about the system, it is just what was stated about hardware sales not "does Neo003 agree taht its a good system?"

well...

bluray Games Console... no movie player

swappable harddisk yeah, so does the 360, with the difference that the average consumer an swap a 360 HDD.

wi-fi support yeah, so does the 360, with the difference that I can CHOOSE if I want a slow wireless network instead of a proper wired onefree PSN yeah, thast's what happens when it's not worth charging for. just wait untill the PSN becomes fully developed and they get to the point that fre vs Live isn't a selling point anymore.

some PS3 exclusive games but they are head to head with XBOX360 not sure what you're trying to say with this point.

much lower fail rate as well

well not if you count the falcon models that are for sale today, and then there's the whole 3 year warranty and all that.

PS3 is sure a better machine than 360...

No they're pretty much equal except the 360 has more good games for now.

looks better as well.

compeltely subjevtice and a wholeheartedly disagree, the PS3 is a chromed BBQ/toaster, and the bulging look isn't nearly as nice as the sleed inwards curves of the 360. and the 360 is white. 100 bonus points right there. the 360 also comes in a lot more color choices and custom paint jobs such as the Halo version. and more limited editions such as 300, GTA IV and some other movie and games customs.

well...

bluray Games Console... no movie player

swappable harddisk yeah, so does the 360, with the difference that the average consumer an swap a 360 HDD.

wi-fi support yeah, so does the 360, with the difference that I can CHOOSE if I want a slow wireless network instead of a proper wired onefree PSN yeah, thast's what happens when it's not worth charging for. just wait untill the PSN becomes fully developed and they get to the point that fre vs Live isn't a selling point anymore.

some PS3 exclusive games but they are head to head with XBOX360 not sure what you're trying to say with this point.

much lower fail rate as well

well not if you count the falcon models that are for sale today, and then there's the whole 3 year warranty and all that.

PS3 is sure a better machine than 360...

No they're pretty much equal except the 360 has more good games for now.

That is the worst come back post I've ever read.

That is the worst come back post I've ever read.

I noticed you took the time to point out why this is and back it up with good reasoning and all this,

intead of just dropping in a fanboy "you're wrong" comment... oh wait... :rolleyes:

well...

bluray Games Console... no movie player

swappable harddisk yeah, so does the 360, with the difference that the average consumer an swap a 360 HDD.

wi-fi support yeah, so does the 360, with the difference that I can CHOOSE if I want a slow wireless network instead of a proper wired onefree PSN yeah, thast's what happens when it's not worth charging for. just wait untill the PSN becomes fully developed and they get to the point that fre vs Live isn't a selling point anymore.

some PS3 exclusive games but they are head to head with XBOX360 not sure what you're trying to say with this point.

much lower fail rate as well

well not if you count the falcon models that are for sale today, and then there's the whole 3 year warranty and all that.

PS3 is sure a better machine than 360...

No they're pretty much equal except the 360 has more good games for now.

looks better as well.

compeltely subjevtice and a wholeheartedly disagree, the PS3 is a chromed BBQ/toaster, and the bulging look isn't nearly as nice as the sleed inwards curves of the 360. and the 360 is white. 100 bonus points right there. the 360 also comes in a lot more color choices and custom paint jobs such as the Halo version. and more limited editions such as 300, GTA IV and some other movie and games customs.

You're making yourself sound just as bad as Alfista.

I noticed you took the time to point out why this is and back it up with good reasoning and all this,

intead of just dropping in a fanboy "you're wrong" comment... oh wait... :rolleyes:

You need proof as to why thats a shocking come back? Then call me the fanboy?

Oh. Dear.

^^^You do need to give good reasoning when you say stuff like that, because, quite frankly, your comment is a load of **** as it is without any reasoning.

-Spenser

Funny how its only you two that require an explanation. Seems others see the angle I'm coming from.

If you believe what he posted, and are happy to accept it - fine. I'm not arguing with you. If you're happy with your blinkered view, I'm happy for you.

I gave a post with explanations of my points and why things are better or worse.

you go and say

"The PS3 Roxorz and the 360 i pure utter crap" (some exagaration may have occured)

and when we ask why, or for you to explain why my points aren't good enough, your comeback is

"I don't need to explain it, because it's just the truth and you guys are dumb"

Seriusly, do you not see the fault here, do you not realize you sound like the worst blindfolded Sony fanboy ever ?

honestly, and I don't mean this as an insult, I just want to know, how old are you ?

Funny how its only you two that require an explanation. Seems others see the angle I'm coming from.

If you believe what he posted, and are happy to accept it - fine. I'm not arguing with you. If you're happy with your blinkered view, I'm happy for you.

oh and by others, you apparently mean audioboxer, since h's the only one that's replied, and he didn't say he disagreed with my points, just that I may be overly defensive of the 360 :p

wich is good, with all the agreeing me and him have been doing in the piracy threads, I was worried the world was coming to and end soon :p

That's a big lol at this guy ^ :laugh:

Whatever happened to good ol' Neowinian discussion? :D

You cant discuss with people that won't listen. Its impossible. People have this image that the PS3 is a big bag of crap. I'm getting a little bored of telling people its not, so I thought I would just give in. Its easier, stops the thread getting locked because of a pathetic argument. I think you all know where I stand on the 'how good is the PS3' debate/

People are still throwing the 'PS3 has no games' line around! Its a joke.

If people want to think they have the best console and the PS3 can't touch it because it inferior in everyway, let 'em. They are missing out, not me.

You cant discuss with people that won't listen. Its impossible. People have this image that the PS3 is a big bag of crap. I'm getting a little bored of telling people its not, so I thought I would just give in. Its easier, stops the thread getting locked because of a pathetic argument. I think you all know where I stand on the 'how good is the PS3' debate/

People are still throwing the 'PS3 has no games' line around! Its a joke.

If people want to think they have the best console and the PS3 can't touch it because it inferior in everyway, let 'em. They are missing out, not me.

But that's the thing, we are all listening! The only difference is, we're replying with argumentative points and actual opinions. You don't seem to care to do that.

It's one thing to not want to get into a whole "PS3 does have games!" "Not really" "Yes it does!" circle of doom, but it's a completely different thing to reply to someones detailed post about very specific features of the 360 vs PS3 and say something like, "Valid points? Not really..." or whatever you said. You just can't do that, it doesn't provide anything for the discussion and makes you sound like a *gasp*fanboy*gasp*.

If you didn't think his points were valid, you had 2 options:

1 - Say so and explain why.

2 - Move on.

I'm sorry, but you're quickly gaining the reputation of someone seeing your name come up in a discussion and taking everything you say with some expected spin.

But that's the thing, we are all listening! The only difference is, we're replying with argumentative points and actual opinions. You don't seem to care to do that.

It's one thing to not want to get into a whole "PS3 does have games!" "Not really" "Yes it does!" circle of doom, but it's a completely different thing to reply to someones detailed post about very specific features of the 360 vs PS3 and say something like, "Valid points? Not really..." or whatever you said. You just can't do that, it doesn't provide anything for the discussion and makes you sound like a *gasp*fanboy*gasp*.

If you didn't think his points were valid, you had 2 options:

1 - Say so and explain why.

2 - Move on.

I'm sorry, but you're quickly gaining the reputation of someone seeing your name come up in a discussion and taking everything you say with some expected spin.

Fine, points taken.

I didn't realise this was a proper discussion board. From now on you will get my reasons behind my thinking - god help you all.

Haha, I chuckled. :laugh:

I'm looking forward to some interesting discussions I'm sure we'll have... :devil: :p

I've come from a rather fanboy full site and the normal one sentence replies usually sufficed. Seemed strange being called a fanboy when I own both a 360 and a PS3 (and play & enjoy them both). Hopefully this place will be better than that.

I've come from a rather fanboy full site and the normal one sentence replies usually sufficed. Seemed strange being called a fanboy when I own both a 360 and a PS3 (and play & enjoy them both). Hopefully this place will be better than that.

Nah, you'll still be called a fanboy. :p

I kid. :laugh:

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