\\computername not accessible, IP only

[+BudMan MVC]

just a "net view" is looking at the browse list, not doing a broadcast for the name.. The browse list has nothing to do with how the machine name is resolved.

I'm not interested in the netbios cache of chef, but that of a client trying to access chef. As to the firewall -- your not running any other firewall/security software -- lots of antivirus software now a days is more like a firewall, and can cause you all kinds of grief if not configured correctly.

As to how to view your node type.. I posted a screen shot of mine showing "Peer-to-Peer" What part of the ipconfig /all did you miss??? ;)

Can you give me remote access to both of these machines? Using teamviewer for example -- I would really love to take a look myself.

Nothing to install on your end.. Just run the customer module, and PM me the info it numbers and password it gives you.

edit: Unless your on a managed switch that would allow you to disable broadcast, hmmm can you verify your netmasks of your machines.. Its possible you have say a 16bit mask on the other machines, and 24 bit on your home machines? Or vice versa, etc. ---> so the broadcast addresses would be different, and your home machines would not answer a broadcast for their name.

edit2: just duplicated your problem with a mismatched netmask. As you can see the vista machine can not net view the machine by name \\p4-24g, but can by ip \\192.168.1.100

The issue here is the netmask is wrong on the vista box.. He would still be able to get on the network, ie access the internet, etc.. but his broadcast address would not be right - and therefore would not be able to resolve netbios with broadcasting to machines on the 192.168.1.x/24 network "255.255.255.0", but would be able to resolve machines using the same netmask.

Verify that both the xp home boxes and the machines your trying to access them with are using the same netmask.

Edited May 19, 2008 by BudMan

[pjrey]

the node type is PEER-to-PEER

you would go crazy trying to remote in... i do it to fix problems while away (but our linkn to the outside is satellite internet, SUPER delays.. would drive you MAD!)

like i said, all the computers on our system are 255.255.255.0, all

and all are 192.168.1.X (i have triple checked)

i ran ipconig /all on the family xp home machine.. nothing stood out but the connection type, was peer to peer, my vista machine is MIXED

i looked at the other systems node types (they are all connecting via host name just fine)

i found hybrid, mixed, and unknown... the xp homes are peer to peer

hope this helps

let me know what other steps you want me to take...

pj

ALSO: the one home system is on the same router/switch as me... the other is on another UNmanaged switch...

so, nothing to flag a switch as being the problem...

[notta]

Open the following file with notepad and paste the contents here please:

c:\windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts

[pjrey]

127.0.0.1 localhost (on CHEF)

same on the other XP home machine as well

pj

[+BudMan MVC]

And WTF would you be running in that mode for???

"the node type is PEER-to-PEER" When you clearly stated..

"wins is not enabled, netbios is"

Without a wins server P-node is not going to work!!

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb727013.aspx

Chapter 11 - NetBIOS over TCP/IP

P-node (peer-peer)

Uses an NBNS such as WINS to resolve NetBIOS names. P-node does not use broadcasts but queries the NBNS directly. Because broadcasts are not used, NetBIOS resources located on remote subnets can be resolved. However, if the NBNS becomes unavailable, NetBIOS name resolution fails for all NetBIOS names, even for NetBIOS applications that are located on the local subnet.

this is the First example I gave in duplication of your problem -- I setup my client as P-node, without a wins server - and could not resolve the hosts!!

Change your node type to broadcast, which is the default node type. This is setup on your dhcp server with option 46, b-node would be 0x1, or can be setup on the client in the registry..

Your node type needs to be broadcast if your not going to be running a wins server!!

[pjrey]

budman, chill

im trying my best man.. thats why i am here, on the forum, looking for help

the other XP home machine is on hybrid (along with the office and POS ) and that is also having problems.. so i think this peer is only tip of the iceburg

can you please walk me though, slowly, on how to change the NODE of the chef computer

i have checked all settings under the network, and these are the same as everyone one else's.. i just fine it EXTREEEEEMLY oddd, that they both, happen, to be, XP HOME MACHINES...

kinda odd huh? hmm....

i have set all machines up, why oh why would i have happened to change the P node system file wins server crap on just these two... very funny coincidence if i did

pj

[+BudMan MVC]

the XP home machine node type does not matter for trying to resolve the home machine! The machine wanting to resolve the xp home machine matters.

if your node type is P-node on this machine, then it will ONLY ask a wins server for the names of machines, it will NOT broadcast for it.. So it will never find \\chef

How chef resolves machines its wanting to access is besides the point.

If your machines are dhcp -- then check that dhcp server option 46 is set for b-node.

As to how to set it in the registry..

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/903267

You cannot view other workgroup computers on the network on a Windows XP-based computer

CAUSE

This issue may occur if the computer is configured to use p-node mode for name resolution. To determine whether a computer is configured to use p-node mode, follow these steps:

1. Click Start, click Run, type cmd, and then click OK.

2. At the command prompt, type ipconfig /all, and then press ENTER.

View the Node Type section at the start of the output. If the value that appears on the screen is Peer-Peer, the computer is running in p-node mode.

In p-node mode, the computer uses only point-to-point name queries to a Windows Internet Name Service (WINS) server. However, the WINS server is not available for NetBIOS name resolution on a peer-to-peer network.

To resolve this issue, follow these steps:

1. Click Start, click Run, type regedit, and then click OK.

2. Locate and then click the following registry subkey:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\NetBt\Parameters

3. In the right pane of Registry Editor, delete the following values if they are present:

• NodeType

• DhcpNodeType

Note If the NodeType value is present, this value will override the DhcpNodeType value. If neither subkey is present and if no WINS servers are configured for the client, the computer uses b-node mode. If at least one WINS server is configured, the computer uses h-node mode.

4. Quit Registry Editor.

5. Restart the computer.

6. Try to view workgroup computers on the network again.

edit: BTW I would not find anything on your network odd or strange. It seems to be SO JACKED UP, your on here like every single day it seems like with a new issue.. ;)

edit2: BTW I would not delete both option.. since this will most likely give you an unknown in ipconfig /all -- If your dhcp server supports setting it.. Do that! Are you running dhcp on windows server? If your dhcp server does not support it, then leave the node type in the registry set for b-node.

Atleast this way when you look at ipconfig /all it will show you what node type your using - vs unknown.

[pjrey]

fist off, howcome i cannot access the xp home by host name on ANY of the computers on the network.. i can ping my laptop from ANY of the other systems, even the xp home machines.. but the opposite is not true... so, its not just my system, or 1 other, but 7 others, are unable to ping or call the two xp home machines by HOST name

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• NodeType

• DhcpNodeType

neither one was found...

--

odd or jacked up? i have problems, that need answers.. i have a lot of computers.. why are you on here.. i want help from helpful people.. if you see its a post from pj, ignore it than..

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Edited May 19, 2008 by pjrey

[+BudMan MVC]

Arggh dude -- What can I say your network is JACKED!!! it not rocket science -- its a simple broadcast for names.. I have pointed out how netbios name resolution works.. READ IT!!

But what I can tell you for sure is -- if you have a client set for P-node, and there is not a wins server -- it will NOT BROADCAST for names - PERIOD!!

So if on your network the only way to resolve a machine netbios name is with broadcast, you will not find this machine!

edit: Neither one was found on what machine???? You clearly stated a machine was in P-node!! Which machine is that???

As to needing answers -- I agree you need them!! I have given you ALL the info you need to correct your name resolution issue. I would even be happy to do it for you.. If you would give me remote access.

edit2: ping can be a dns look up.. As you see when I ping a machine, it could use dns to resolve it - not broadcast.

C:\>ping kidsdell

Pinging KIDSDELL.local.lan [192.168.1.101] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 192.168.1.101: bytes=32 time<1ms TTL=128

How is it machines would get set to P-node if you did not set it by hand or with a dhcp server? I would double check that all the machines are using the correct method of resolving netbios for how you want to run your network.. Be it broadcast, be it wins, be it lmhosts file, etc.. READ THE DOCUMENT I LINKED TOO!!

Edited May 19, 2008 by BudMan

[pjrey]

keep writing the same thing over and over

im saying, i have tried everything you have told me to do.. dont get mad because it didnt work...

my network is not jacked...

everything is working perfectly fine.. except for not being able to call two systems by host name... hmmm

if that is jacked... wow...

p

[Pajter]

  pjrey said:

keep writing the same thing over and over

im saying, i have tried everything you have told me to do.. dont get mad because it didnt work...

my network is not jacked...

everything is working perfectly fine.. except for not being able to call two systems by host name... hmmm

if that is jacked... wow...

p

Nice way to say thanks. :rolleyes:

It's not his fault your network doesn't function correctly. He's only trying to help you fix it.

[+BudMan MVC]

:rofl: Your nework is not working fine.. You STATE you have machines set to use P-Node, which you have not a clue how they got set.. And your not runnings wins.. So why would they be set to use p-node????

Post the output from ipconfig /all of a machine that you want to resolve \\chef from. And post the output of chef's ipconfig /all

[pjrey]

ok, here is the screen shot for ipconfig /all from MY (vista) machine

and the CHEF pc (xp home) ipconfig /all

thanks

pj

PS. that is strange, yesterday when i did a ipconfig /all on chef, it said the node type was peer-to-peer!

[+BudMan MVC]

Well as I already said, if you remove the dhcpnodetype and nodetype reg entries it will show unknown.

Now your vista is showing Mixed, which is broadcast and then wins.

Where did it get that mode from??? That is for sure not the default type.. So either you set it, or your dhcp server is handing it out? This makes no sense --- and clearly only confuses the issue if you have clients setup like this, without fully understanding why you would set that up... There would be no point of setting that up, unless you had a wins server running for starters.

Also are you not showing all the network interfaces?, chef shows adapter #2 Also you have a search order set, so your machines will add pjrey.com to all dns queries -- Do you have DNS entries for these hosts? Are you running AD? This domain resolves to a public IP, with nameservers NS7 and NS8.JIFFYNET.NET --- so why would you have machines with private addresses searching for hosts on this domain in their search list? That is utterly pointless and only degrades your local name resolution!

Also these xp home machines are wireless, and your clients are wired? I recall you having a higherend router.. Is this also the wireless, or is there an accesspoint? Its possible with wireless to wired network that the broadcast over the wireless is blocked?, or its possible your getting a broadcast timeout, etc. Is there some device doing a bridge between your wired and wireless networks? What wireless security are you running? Its possible you have a groupkey issue, broadcast and multicast traffic is different over wireless -- it uses the groupkey.

To troubleshoot your name resolution problem -- really need to FULLY understand your network, seems clear you have a search order setup for name resolution.. Why I have no idea, but this can throw a wrench into for sure.

What is the output of nbtstat -n from the chef machine? It's possible your netbios name does not match its dns name, etc. Would be very strange --- but not out of the ?, etc.

Also your not running any other type of protocols are you? IPX, Netbeui, etc.

I would suggest you put the chef box on the wire with your other machines, vs being wireless -- does \\chef work then?

[pjrey]

ill try hardwiring in the xp home chef (but the thing is, the other xp home machine is hardwired, and directly into the fvx538 router... no switches or access points.. and i am undable to get the host of that machine like i stated before...

the chef (xp home) is routed bythe same router as well, of course (fvx538) over two unmanaged switches....

the nbtstat -n from chef is:

CHEF 00 UNIQUE REGISTERED

CHEF 20 UNIQUE REGISTERED

WORKGROUP 00 GROUP REGISTERED

WORKGROUP 1E GROUP REGISTERED

i have no other protocols running on the xp home machine, i have running: client for micro, file share, and internet protocol tcp/ip

thats it...

i told you that there were no entries for dhcpnodetype and nodetype in the REG, i dont know how i got the MODE, i dont know how to even change the mode....

i have setup all systems the same...

one odd thing i found, when i tried to run nbtstat n under cooks/chef it said it could not load nbtstat

i had to log into my account (admin) then i could run it, maybe that is normal...

pj

[+BudMan MVC]

What about other protocols on the machines trying to resolve. If you have a hardwired xp home machine that is doing the same thing.. lets use that one as the troubleshooting box -- vs one that has more variables.

As to changing the mode -- I have pointed out multiple references that go over this, how Netbios name resolution works etc -- have you bothered to read any of it???? The node type is set either by the dhcp server option 46, or by nodetype HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\NetBt\Parameters

NodeType

Key: Netbt\Parameters

Value Type: REG_DWORD - Number

Valid Range: 1,2,4,8 (B-node, P-node, M-node, H-node)

Default: 1 or 8 based on the WINS server configuration

Description: This parameter determines what methods NetBT uses to register and resolve names. A B-node computer uses broadcasts. A P-node computer uses only point- to-point name queries to a name server (WINS). An M-node computer broadcasts first, and then queries the name server. An H-node computer queries the name server first, and then broadcasts. Resolution through LMHOSTS or DNS follows these methods. If this key is present, it will override the DhcpNodeType key. If neither key is present, the computer uses B-node if there are no WINS servers configured for the network. The computer uses H-node if there is at least one WINS server configured.

what about the nonsense search order pjrey.com??? Why do you have a search list setup, without local DNS???

If the account is not ADMIN, then no it would not be able to do admin functions.

Question you have multiple downstream switches.. Plug one of the machines that will not resolve into the same dumb switch of a client that can not resolve it by name.. Does it work then?

You have too many variables! You do not know how your machines got a node type of mixed, you are using dns search orders for a public domain on local machines that are on private addresses. You have wireless, etc. etc..

I would suggest you remove them.. Connect a machine that will not resolve on the same dumb switch as a machine that will not resolve it. Change the settings to default.. And work from there!

your node type should not be mixed on a network without a wins server - PERIOD! Your using a dns search list? Why?

[pjrey]

thansk for the breakdown of nodes, appreciate it...

i will look into it.. the thing is, if i never knew about nodes, how would i have changed it? i have never changed one in the past, and all has worked..

i looked on my machine, it is set to DhcpNodeType-4

i will look later on the chef

regarding the switches, i have one xp home machine directly into the router, no switches, and it does not work.. i have not tried with the chef yet.. but why when i have the other xp that is not working plugged directly in...?

i have removed the search order pjrey.com (i didnt know what i was doing with that... whoopsies)

as you can surely tell, im not the best at this whole 'networking' business... i try my best to help my parents out at our resort, this is by no means my dayjob! (scary if it was though huh! haha)

i will report back later when i get more info (im on break right now, gotta get back to work)

pj