Why are Mac's preferred for graphic design?


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Really? I find it annoying you have to mark all the images in a folder and open all of them in order to scroll through them with the keyboard arrows etc :(

Been using my brothers mac a few times, so novice-novice mac user here :p

Ehh?

I'm talking about the Vista picture viewer being colour managed.

I would argue that Macs were doing colour calibration while PCs were still fiddling with VGA cards.

Try explaining to the customers what CMYK and RGB is and the differences! The 3 colors you see on the screen is always different than what a 4 color printer spits out, not to much but its enough to notice. Then the "Pro" PC guys come in and all hell breaks loose around here!

You may have owned a Mac but that doesn't mean you know stuff, 'cause you clearly do not. There are no 'proprietary' harddrives: there's just a harddrive that goes in a pc, in a Mac, in a Sun SPARC machine, in a IBM PowerPC supercomputer, etc. The harddrive from your pc can be put into your Mac and vice versa. For example, the drive in the Macbook is very easy to swap, so going to any store (like Walmart) and get a replacement drive is absolutely no problem whatsoever. There were some different parts from pc's because Mac used to be based on the PowerPC processor from IBM/Motorola. Nowadays they are the same x86 Intel machines as pc's are. So that may have been an old Mac vs PC commercial.

The viruses for OS X are nearly nonexistent, they are only PoC's (Proof of Concept). For earlier versions there were quite some viruses but they are all taken care of with a virusscanner. And no, they are not installed with Quicktime. You'd know that if you had some sense and if you check various security bulletins. There were some security bugs in Quicktime as are with most software. I think you meant to say bugs and not viruses.

Then again they may have changed them I haven't taken apart a Mac in about 7 years. But yes you are right about the I meant to say Bugs. The only virus I know of that a Mac can have is the one where it uses a security issue to initiate the Hard Drive restore tool upon next reboot. Where it wipes the drive. And Thus knocks out the useres files leaving the OS intact... So I guess there is no virus there. You would be safe from that if yours came with the CD disk restore which would allow you to cancell out of it... But if yours was on an image on a seperate drive the you would not be able to stop it. With the no user intervention option. I actually was considering buying the new light weight Mac book. But I have found that they tend not to crash like Windows Does and you can continue to work even after an error. Windows has been getting better at that. With windows it is mainly driver Issues. So I guess that is also another reason they are preferred. Where when it crashes you don't loose your work. As for the guy that said about the Mac's I had Firefox's spell check on it keeps on changing the word. And from what I understand that Issue has been fixed in the latest OSX release.

Edited by redvamp128

Thanks :) This thread pretty much pushed me to get it. I have wanted a Mac for a while but could not justify the money. THen I went ot an interview and they asked me if I can work on Mac's and they tested me on an iMac using InDesign. Since then I started researching the Macbook Pro's and which was the best value.

Besides this thread though, I owe a lot to OSX86. Nothing like a week of hands-on experience.

Pure opinion, in my opinion cleartype looks FAR better than OSX's rendering.

(Y) Agreed.

I have a CS3 suite on my Vista x64 box, and have a few comments:

1. Vista's thumbnail previewer makes the "quicklook" thing irrelevant, with the previews already there. Pressing Ctrl+scrollwheel will zoom the pictures in and out.

2. I much prefer to look at one thing at a time - one of the things I can't stand about OS X is that there is no "maximize" button. When I'm working in Photoshop, all I want to see is Photoshop. If I want to drag something to Illustrator, I'll just drag whatever to the minimized window on my taskbar. If I have multiple things open in little windows, I tend to get distracted and my productivity drops precipitously. I also have 2 monitors - If I need to have a reference picture, I'll just put it full-screen on my second monitor - that way I can see what I'm working on, and the reference picture, without anything blocking it.

3. Photoshop loads so fast, I wouldn't mind it as my primary picture viewer - it loads in 2 - 3 seconds max (and yes, I've timed it). I have 4 Gb of RAM, so who cares if it eats up more. :p

4. CS4 will have a 64 bit edition on Windows, but only 32 bit on OS X, because of Apple's incredibly stupid idea to have two completely separate, incompatible APIs - Adobe has to port almost all their code over to Cocoa from Carbon. Since I have files that can use the benefits x64 has (30,000 by 30,000 pixel images, for example), Windows will be the ideal platform for me.

5. There are Expose clones for Vista that do the exact same thing as Expose for the Mac. Unfortunately, Adobe chose to code the Windows verson of Photoshop to not take advantage of Windows' window manager. That is a Photoshop problem, not a Windows problem. Still, I must admit, if you have a ton of Photoshop windows open, Adobe does this better in OS X.

6. I use my computer for many, many things - graphic design, playing games, using Office, web browsing, etc. I want one OS that does everything. I don't want to bother with VMs, dual-booting, etc. Windows is my only viable option. I'll take a few inconveniences (like the the window-switching thing) in order to remain on one OS.

7. And what's this thing about maintainance? I never pay attention to my antivirus app, my HDD defrags in the background, so I never see it, and I haven't seen a BSOD in ages. If I spend 0 hours of my week maintaining my OS, what's the advantage of switching to an OS that requires 0 hours to maintain?

Oh, and from a friend that has been in the industry for many years, he was saying that one of the primary reasons Apple remains the platform for graphic design is all the Applescripts that were written for the publishing industry - there has been no real reason to recode the scripts in another OS. Plus, like posters before me, Apple was the first company to sell a viable GUI. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

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I don't think Vista's file icon preview is quite the same as QuickLook somehow.

I only have Vista installed for testing in IE7, but I don't recall the file icons being all too consistent on what they showed. they also seemed to be awkward in size and really didn't appear to offer me much. I find the Mac thumbnails far better, and that's without Quicklook.

For me, it's about workflow. I work with hot corners enabled on Expos?, coupled with Quicklook, the dock, and all the other touches only Mac OS X offer are what makes the difference for me...

(Y) Agreed.

It's true--it's preferential. Some will like one way while others will like the other way.

The actual rendering bit between different operating systems is something that most don't notice (and probably never will) but once you see it and get used to it, it's impossible not to. [the goggles, they do nothing!]

As has been said before, ClearType will generally be better for readability at lower resolution outputs while OS X's implementation better for higher. This stems from the different approaches in which ClearType hammers the type into the pixel grid for more "crisp" text, but at the cost of making it more blocky and altering the type from what it's what meant to be. OS X differs in how it aims to preserve the actual typeface as much as possible, with the risk of some "blur" at lower resolutions.

Some examples.

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Now before you make some sweeping judgements (yes, the smallest size on OS X is a bit softer, but there was a reason for that as said above. Is the WordPad text easier to read? Yes. Nicer on the eyes? Subjective--personally I'm not a fan of the blockyness that the characters exhibit, but that's just me.)

Now for the real meat where many don't seem to notice. Pay particular attention to the 'g' in 'Dog', the 'a' in 'Lazy', and the 'e' in 'The' from small to large. First on the WordPad screenshot. Now look to the TextEdit screenshot. Interesting, right? Just an example of how ClearType tries to fit the characters into the pixel grid--thus altering the true design of the typeface.

Now smoothing. A simple glance at the largest size should easily illustrate the problem ClearType seems to have as fonts get larger.

Hell, here's Calibri, from their own ClearType collection.

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The next test is going to be on probably one of my favorite typfaces, Zapfino. It's one of the more prettier typefaces with extensive use of ligatures and glyph variations. (1670 glyphs to be exact)

Example:

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So let's take a look at how well this does on the web: http://alex.thefrapp.com/files/Zapfino.html

Both Firefox 3b2, Leopard/Vista. (the only browser right now that actually supports kerning, ligature substitution, etc)

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Font smoothing just thrown out the window here (OpenType with PostScript outlines), but there also seems to be some spacing issue. (I don't blame anyone for this, Zapfino is a tough font)

So oddly enough, WordPad smoothed it fine. I'm guessing it used Standard font smoothing instead of ClearType here.

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But of course, ligature/glyph substitution and other typographic features were nowhere to be found as there are on TextEdit.

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I have a CS3 suite on my Vista x64 box, and have a few comments:

1. Vista's thumbnail previewer makes the "quicklook" thing irrelevant, with the previews already there. Pressing Ctrl+scrollwheel will zoom the pictures in and out.

By Vista thumbnail previewer, do you mean this?

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While similar, Quick Look really isn't comparable as it offers much larger previews (full screen if you want), index pages, slideshows/video playback, support for multi page documents and many file formats. (extensible as well if a format isn't supported)

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2. I much prefer to look at one thing at a time - one of the things I can't stand about OS X is that there is no "maximize" button. When I'm working in Photoshop, all I want to see is Photoshop. If I want to drag something to Illustrator, I'll just drag whatever to the minimized window on my taskbar. If I have multiple things open in little windows, I tend to get distracted and my productivity drops precipitously. I also have 2 monitors - If I need to have a reference picture, I'll just put it full-screen on my second monitor - that way I can see what I'm working on, and the reference picture, without anything blocking it.

Once in Photoshop, press F. You can cycle through different window view modes which you can have the background gone if you want.

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CS4 is actually introducing an even more improved application frame with tabs and better palettes though.

4. CS4 will have a 64 bit edition on Windows, but only 32 bit on OS X, because of Apple's incredibly stupid idea to have two completely separate, incompatible APIs - Adobe has to port almost all their code over to Cocoa from Carbon. Since I have files that can use the benefits x64 has (30,000 by 30,000 pixel images, for example), Windows will be the ideal platform for me.

Some research would be nice before making such rash comments. Carbon was introduced by Apple for backwards compatibility when making the switch from Classic. It was far from "stupid", as they're actually very flexible with each other. Cocoa has been pushed by Apple from some time now but Adobe got caught off guard by Leopard's forward push of it. It's no ones "fault"--just happens because it did.

5. There are Expose clones for Vista that do the exact same thing as Expose for the Mac. Unfortunately, Adobe chose to code the Windows verson of Photoshop to not take advantage of Windows' window manager. That is a Photoshop problem, not a Windows problem. Still, I must admit, if you have a ton of Photoshop windows open, Adobe does this better in OS X.

Quality > Quantity. I have yet to really see an Expose the way it's supposed to work as it does in OS X. (the clones mainly mimic the "All Windows" expose. Many don't realize that there is more to expose than just that: individual application expose and show desktop)

Switcher though has been my favorite so far on Vista.

It can get confusing, but there isn't just one thing here that we can point to and blame.

ClearType is MS's name for sub-pixel AA, which Freetype (Linux, Windows, OS X, my dog, etc.) and OS X both do. Where the difference comes in is hinting and such, Windows snaps the stems to the pixel grid (look at g at a small font size, the bottom gets flattened), OS X doesn't snap to the pixel grid, keeping the form of the font, leading to people used to pixel snapping to exclaim how blurry it is (honestly, it is, but we only see it because our screen's have very low DPI).

And then we have AA, with Vista (and XP if you have WPF installed), you have 2 separate forms of ClearType, the GDI form and the WPF form. The GDI form doesn't do Y direction antialiasing (hence why the tops of characters and such look like crap, they aren't anti-aliased, the Calibri screenshot giga posted is an excellent example) the WPF form on the other hand is much improved, doing X and Y direction AA, etc. And then we have how Windows handles anti-aliasing PostScript fonts, that's just a mess so lets not get into that.

Personally, I like sub-pixel AA, and I prefer hinting that keeps the forms of characters rather than "mangling" them (i.e. OS X on an LCD screen), but that's entirely personal, some people might prefer Greyscale AA with Pixel snapping (Windows with Standard font smoothing, no sub-pixel), and some people might prefer no AA and pixel snapping hinting (those people are crazy and we don't talk about them :whistle: )

Anyway, http://www.antigrain.com/research/font_rasterization/ explains it a heck of a lot better than I can, and he has pretty pictures and sample code (!), go by that document over what I say.

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So let's take a look at how well this does on the web: http://alex.thefrapp.com/files/Zapfino.html

Both Firefox 3b2, Leopard/Vista. (the only browser right now that actually supports kerning, ligature substitution, etc)

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Font smoothing just thrown out the window here (OpenType with PostScript outlines), but there also seems to be some spacing issue. (I don't blame anyone for this, Zapfino is a tough font)

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Yeah, I haven't bothered setting a line-height, its probably getting the height from the font system (It's windows, not surprised it gets it wrong)

Edit: Windows seems to deactivate ClearType over a certain size, I think it would be better if it switched to Standard, but why does it even need to disable it?

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It seems to be consensus that Windows is better for web design...

Um, no. That is not the consensus, nor the reality. I've been a professional designer for the web now for 8 years and my Mac is an *essential* tool to my craft ... and I'm certainly not alone. Attend *any* web design conference and you'll see nothing by Macs everywhere.

There's lot of reasons for this but a couple stand out to me:

1) Better standards support. Safari within the last couple years has been pushing things along nicely in the standards community. Firefox has traditionally done a good job of this as well ... but the point stands.

2) Cross platform development. Macs are the only computers that can natively run pretty much any operating system which makes browser testing a dream. All in one workflow I can have Windows open with IE7, IE6, IE5.5, Firefox 2 and then OS X with Safari, WebKit nightlies, Opera and Firefox 3 ... all open at the same time and all integrated with my local web server for testing. Its a dream. Safari coming to Windows has eased this a little with PC users but I still don't find the workflow as great.

3) Most people I know, including myself, find Adobe apps a bit easier to work with in a document-centered OS rather than an app-centered OS.

4) Editors. I have yet to find good comparable editors for PC that all integrate as nicely with each other like the workflow I use on my Mac. TextMate, CSSEdit currently and in the past things like BBEdit. Also new tools like Coda have been well received.

5) This one's highly subjective and personal, but its been a big one for me and that's that the OS is simply prettier to look at. I just find text rendering, old pixelated icons and just about everything else on Windows just horrible to work with. I've always appreciated the attention into detail that goes into OS X and all its apps ... as well I should since I'm a designer :)

What size would that be? :pinch:

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246pt = ClearType

247pt = no ClearType

:huh:

Edit: That's for TrueType outline fonts, for PostScript outline fonts it's

151pt = "Standard"

152pt = None

:huh:

There has to be some relation with the actual pixel sizes.

Edit: They've unified it in WPF! If the font goes too large to perform sub-pixel AA, they switch to greyscale. And WPF supports a lot of OpenType features.

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And Ledward, when you talk about Web Designers, but you actually mean ASP developers, It's probably a good idea to mention that.

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Um, no. That is not the consensus, nor the reality. I've been a professional designer for the web now for 8 years and my Mac is an *essential* tool to my craft ... and I'm certainly not alone. Attend *any* web design conference and you'll see nothing by Macs everywhere.

There's lot of reasons for this but a couple stand out to me:

1) Better standards support. Safari within the last couple years has been pushing things along nicely in the standards community. Firefox has traditionally done a good job of this as well ... but the point stands.

2) Cross platform development. Macs are the only computers that can natively run pretty much any operating system which makes browser testing a dream. All in one workflow I can have Windows open with IE7, IE6, IE5.5, Firefox 2 and then OS X with Safari, WebKit nightlies, Opera and Firefox 3 ... all open at the same time and all integrated with my local web server for testing. Its a dream. Safari coming to Windows has eased this a little with PC users but I still don't find the workflow as great.

3) Most people I know, including myself, find Adobe apps a bit easier to work with in a document-centered OS rather than an app-centered OS.

4) Editors. I have yet to find good comparable editors for PC that all integrate as nicely with each other like the workflow I use on my Mac. TextMate, CSSEdit currently and in the past things like BBEdit. Also new tools like Coda have been well received.

5) This one's highly subjective and personal, but its been a big one for me and that's that the OS is simply prettier to look at. I just find text rendering, old pixelated icons and just about everything else on Windows just horrible to work with. I've always appreciated the attention into detail that goes into OS X and all its apps ... as well I should since I'm a designer :)

I guess you don't write your webapps as well as design them, then.

Most of the people I know also do their own coding. This is really important in terms of which OS to use because Visual Studio only operates on Windows. Unless you're an exclusive PHP coder... or you don't code.

I guess you don't write your webapps as well as design them, then.

Most of the people I know also do their own coding. This is really important in terms of which OS to use because Visual Studio only operates on Windows. Unless you're an exclusive PHP coder... or you don't code.

He says he's a designer, so I'd imagine he really masters client side code. I personally would choose Coda (or similar) over Visual Studio, which is overkill I believe. I work on a development team inside my company and am the only person to use a Mac, the rest work on JAVA web development using IntelliJ on Windows. I have to say, the interface, and interaction with the application for me is just horrible, and I find it painful when I have to work on tweaks to my client side code on their machines.

I've not actually personally met a designer who is a "good" designer too - I struggle to imagine you'd have both the visual part of your brain turned on, as well as functional. The developers I work with, are great at what they do, but they often make bad design choices (when they are actually even allowed to make choices), not just in terms of simple things like colour and font selection, but seemingly don't even consider usability. From my perspective, real projects with large clients require individual developers and designers to really excel.

As for Vista icon previews, giga is very right about the Mac being superior here, and I actually MEANT to include a screenshot. (attached this time) I couldn't really ask for more, in these file icon previews, and with one click I can preview the documents rendered at native size without launching another app - that is a time saver for sure.

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He says he's a designer, so I'd imagine he really masters client side code. I personally would choose Coda (or similar) over Visual Studio, which is overkill I believe. I work on a development team inside my company and am the only person to use a Mac, the rest work on JAVA web development using IntelliJ on Windows. I have to say, the interface, and interaction with the application for me is just horrible, and I find it painful when I have to work on tweaks to my client side code on their machines.

That's actually pretty normal (for a dev IDE to get pretty messy). Especially in web development, and especially if you're working with interpreted (rather than compiled) code. When I work with PHP it's done in Dreamweaver and seeing as how you're a Mac user I think you'd be horrified at how messy it gets.

Edit: @Decryptor: I guess I made an assumption there that I shouldn't have; but I have yet to meet a person who designs and cannot script/code. Perhaps I haven't worked in teams that are large enough to have 'pure' designers.

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I guess you don't write your webapps as well as design them, then.

Most of the people I know also do their own coding. This is really important in terms of which OS to use because Visual Studio only operates on Windows. Unless you're an exclusive PHP coder... or you don't code.

Yeah sounds like we just operate in 2 separate worlds then. All of the projects I work on, Visual Studio or any other MS technology like ASP isn't even on the map. Its all done in either PHP or Rails.

I do some back end code, e.g., PHP & Rails, but it usually only entails minor patches or markup changes. I'm primarily involved with a team that has dedicated coders, and FWIW they are almost always Mac users as well. I do tend to handle my own front-end markup about half of the time which includes just standard html/css/js work. For that, TextMate and CSSEdit (using it as a text editor) are an amazing combination.

As far as the developer vs. designer, specialist vs. generalist argument, there are people out there that are good at both yes. But also, yes it takes a special person. Shaun Inman (developer of Mint stats) comes to mind as a good example, but there are plenty of others. I do believe it helps to focus on one area though.

So I guess I should revise my point with saying "this all only makes sense if you don't work with MS technologies."

As for Vista icon previews, giga is very right about the Mac being superior here, and I actually MEANT to include a screenshot. (attached this time) I couldn't really ask for more, in these file icon previews, and with one click I can preview the documents rendered at native size without launching another app - that is a time saver for sure.

Agreed. QuickLook is amazing, I really can't remember how I lived without it.

And btw, its good to see you still around here bro. I haven't been around Neowin for quite awhile and it was cool to come back and see some Mac section OG's still hanging around. Nostalgia :)

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Having worked with my Mac for over 24 hours, I have noticed my workflow is smoother: I'm not minimizing and maximizing apps, or keeping an eye on how many apps I have open.

I run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Coda, Transmit, FF3, Safari, iTunes, Adium, and Azureus with no slow downs at all..oh and have a dual screen setup with a 22" monitor.

I feel like I can focus on what I'm trying to make rather than minimizing and maximizing apps and trying to find the program I need and jumping back and forth. Expose = amazing.

Having worked with my Mac for over 24 hours, I have noticed my workflow is smoother: I'm not minimizing and maximizing apps, or keeping an eye on how many apps I have open.

I run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Coda, Transmit, FF3, Safari, iTunes, Adium, and Azureus with no slow downs at all..oh and have a dual screen setup with a 22" monitor.

I feel like I can focus on what I'm trying to make rather than minimizing and maximizing apps and trying to find the program I need and jumping back and forth. Expose = amazing.

Exactly. :)

Having worked with my Mac for over 24 hours, I have noticed my workflow is smoother: I'm not minimizing and maximizing apps, or keeping an eye on how many apps I have open.

I run Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Coda, Transmit, FF3, Safari, iTunes, Adium, and Azureus with no slow downs at all..oh and have a dual screen setup with a 22" monitor.

I feel like I can focus on what I'm trying to make rather than minimizing and maximizing apps and trying to find the program I need and jumping back and forth. Expose = amazing.

Dont really have to jump back and forth by minimizing and maximizing if you use alt+tab or WinKey + tab in Vista.

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You can twist or press it to perform various actions, depending on the current use case scenario. When reading books, twisting the dial flips through pages, and pressing it refreshes the screen. On the home screen, the dial adjusts the brightness, and holding the dial pressed launches voice note recording. Finally, a quick double press launches the DuRoBo AI chatbot. While the dial scroll is not notched, it is very smooth and has haptic feedback that confirms your actions, which feels very nice. As a long-term Apple Watch user, I love the idea behind the dial. It feels very natural and oddly satisfying to use, especially with that subtle haptic feedback. I never liked flipping pages with touch input, and I strongly believe each e-reader should come with some sort of physical controls for turning pages. The Krono has both volume buttons (which also work as page turners) and the dial, so you are free to use whichever you prefer. With that said, the dial is not perfect. For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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