Euro 2008

[Scirwode]

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You must be joking :blink: . Since when is the referee sponsored by Adidas, Hyundai and Coca Cola, to name a few?

Scirwode

[Alfista]

competitions are sponsored by advertisements and tv rights

otherwise how could fifa pay man utd 100 million dollars for their CL glory?

more money comes to the tournament with more excitment

injury time goals by turkey are actually making uefa happy.

people will tune to watch the game untill the very last minute because of 3 last second goals by turkey in 3 games.

more money and more people watching the tournament will take next euro 2012 advertisement deals to a higher level.

anyone studied finance as a major in college?

if not i do not expect a logical response.

[Setnom]

if you read my psot

you see that i am talking about the quarter to finals

NOT the league.

it is not a source

it is a FACT

watch tonights game holland vs russia.

unless the score is 3-0 or something

you will see a 4th minute being added.

No, that's not true, you're lying. You only added that you were talking only about the quarter to finals in the post you wrote a few minutes ago.

In two of your previous posts, your first after the game and the one I quoted before, you mention nothing about your "criteria".

[Scirwode]

competitions are sponsored by advertisements and tv rights

otherwise how could fifa pay man utd 100 million dollars for their CL glory?

more money comes to the tournament with more excitment

injury time goals by turkey are actually making uefa happy.

people will tune to watch the game untill the very last minute because of 3 last second goals by turkey in 3 games.

more money and more people watching the tournament will take next euro 2012 advertisement deals to a higher level.

anyone studied finance as a major in college?

if not i do not expect a logical response.

You're giving me a stitch in my side :laugh: ! Since when did FIFA pay Man Utd 100 million dollars for their CL glory, when their job is to mediate tournaments that involve the whole world, from the youth to senior level? Also, injury time goals by Turkey do not make UEFA happy nor do they have any reason to. TV rights are settled before the tournament even starts so even if you're turn off your television, you still have to pay your broadcasting bills :p .

Any more bright insights, I'm enjoying my conversation with you here :laugh: !

Scirwode

[Alfista]

You're giving me a stitch in my side :laugh: ! Since when did FIFA pay Man Utd 100 million dollars for their CL glory, when their job is to mediate tournaments that involve the whole world, from the youth to senior level? Also, injury time goals by Turkey do not make UEFA happy nor do they have any reason to. TV rights are settled before the tournament even starts so even if you're turn off your television, you still have to pay your broadcasting bills :p .

Any more bright insights, I'm enjoying my conversation with you here :laugh: !

Scirwode

ok its not fifa.. its uefa. sorry about that. man utd earned a total of 100 mlillion after their win against chelsea in the final.

i am not talking about 100 mil right after the game...,

tv rights are settled before the tournament BESIDES the FINAL game. this has been going on for many eyars. final game sponsrships are different but usually the sponsors that were already in the tournament sitll get the rights.

also what did i say? i said This so called miracles will help UEFA to get more money for euro 2012. because they will see that more people watched euro 2008 over euro 2004 and as a supply and demand curve will happen the tv rights for euro 2012 will be higher and uefa will earn much more money.

No, that's not true, you're lying. You only added that you were talking only about the quarter to finals in the post you wrote a few minutes ago.

In two of your previous posts, your first after the game and the one I quoted before, you mention nothing about your "criteria".

ok

lets say that i added it later ( which i did not)

all games had 3 mins extra

but when were the games over actually?

around the 4th minute

not in the exact 3rd minute.

are you watching the games LIVE or just following resulst from internet?

only exception was switzerland and portugal.. and thats because portugal had already qualified

switzerland had already been eliminated

and the result was 2-0

i believe you would also say right now that CL draws ( for quarter finals ) are not fixed as well.

than i would laugh and never write in this forum about this situation as well.

i cant believe you guys are living in a small world where only fair things happen in football.

football is one of the biggest markets in the world. and dirty things DO happen. uefa and fifa are not angels. remember the allegations against blatter?

betting sector only in football is over billions of dollars.

people profit and have evil plans while we innocently watch our games in TV.

[Setnom]

Alfista, please stop lying. You wrote these two posts (partially quoted):

one last thing. uefa gives rules to the refrees. for example in each game at least 4 mins addded to the 90th minute. because UEFA tells refrees to do so. even though there might not be injuries in the game but refree would still ad 4 mins.

same thing goes with extra time 2nd half which is the 4th half really.

Refrees are also told by uefa to put extra mins in that extra time as well. regardless if there were injuries or not.

for all of you whom said that my words about refrees adding extra times because uefa told them.

name me 1 game that did not have a 4 minute add on in the 90th minute in this torunament.

holland france had a bit more than 3 mins and less than 4. thats because the game was 4-1

Now, where in that do you say that you are only mentioning semi finals, quarter finals or finals?

After I gave you the list of Euro 2008 games that ended before that 4 minute rule you made up, you change your speech:

thats exactly what i am saying.

name me 1 hugely important competition game. such as CL semi finals or finals or quarter finals. uefa semi filans to final. World cup tournament or euro cup tournament.

4 mins are ALWAYS added to the 90th minute

and

2 mins are ALWAYS added to the 120th minute.

this has been going on for years and i cant see how you cant notice this.

remember getafe munich game this year? the game ended at 122nd minute as well.

if you read my psot

you see that i am talking about the quarter to finals

NOT the league.

it is not a source

it is a FACT

watch tonights game holland vs russia.

unless the score is 3-0 or something

you will see a 4th minute being added.

NOW you say that the 4 minute "rule" only applies to important competition games ONLY...

Come on, dude, stop fooling us, we're smarter than that.

[Scirwode]

ok its not fifa.. its uefa. sorry about that. man utd earned a total of 100 mlillion after their win against chelsea in the final.

i am not talking about 100 mil right after the game...,

tv rights are settled before the tournament BESIDES the FINAL game. this has been going on for many eyars. final game sponsrships are different but usually the sponsors that were already in the tournament sitll get the rights.

also what did i say? i said This so called miracles will help UEFA to get more money for euro 2012. because they will see that more people watched euro 2008 over euro 2004 and as a supply and demand curve will happen the tv rights for euro 2012 will be higher and uefa will earn much more money.

Again the question remains, why does UEFA pay Man Utd 100 million Euros/Pounds/Dollars after their CL glory? Since when is UEFA that rich anyway :p ? And your changing your stance now, before it was broadcasting rights were decided by the amount of people watching the game, now you've taken my answer as your conviction. And since when do sponsors get TV rights :blink: ?

The miracles that are happening have little to no meaning on Euro 2012. TV rights will always increase in demand, it's a certain fact, not because of a teams success in the preceding tournament, but the rise of different broadcasting mediums and more penetrations in the broadcasting market.

Come on, I've just realise that I can make 3000 post just by having a conversation with you :p . Let's see what we can discuss and debunked some more :laugh: !

Scirwode

[Keito]

i believe you would also say right now that CL draws ( for quarter finals ) are not fixed as well.

than i would laugh and never write in this forum about this situation as well.

I believe they are NOT fixed.

[Alfista]

Again the question remains, why does UEFA pay Man Utd 100 million Euros/Pounds/Dollars after their CL glory? Since when is UEFA that rich anyway :p ? And your changing your stance now, before it was broadcasting rights were decided by the amount of people watching the game, now you've taken my answer as your conviction. And since when do sponsors get TV rights :blink: ?

The miracles that are happening have little to no meaning on Euro 2012. TV rights will always increase in demand, it's a certain fact, not because of a teams success in the preceding tournament, but the rise of different broadcasting mediums and more penetrations in the broadcasting market.

Come on, I've just realise that I can make 3000 post just by having a conversation with you :p . Let's see what we can discuss and debunked some more :laugh: !

Scirwode

uefa does earn tons of money by tv rights and other things.

if you win a game in CL group stages you earn 600.000 dollars per game.

just for one silly game.

the winnings after each advecement is higher.

if you qualify to quarter finals you get more than a million

for semi filans more than that and for final much more than that.

and than the winner gets way more money by fifa.

(depending on tv rights and their other incomes)

chelsea got a bit less than 50 mil througout the competition

yes tv rights will be higher in 2012 even if the games in euro 2008 were dull.. but now since euro 2008 is a kick ass tournament more tv stations will try to buy the rigjhts for 2012 and this will increase the tv rights' price.

[Scirwode]

football is one of the biggest markets in the world. and dirty things DO happen. uefa and fifa are not angels. remember the allegations against blatter?

betting sector only in football is over billions of dollars.

people profit and have evil plans while we innocently watch our games in TV.

Since when did Ernst Stavro Blofeld became head of UEFA and FIFA :rofl: ?

uefa does earn tons of money by tv rights and other things.

if you win a game in CL group stages you earn 600.000 dollars per game.

just for one silly game.

the winnings after each advecement is higher.

if you qualify to quarter finals you get more than a million

for semi filans more than that and for final much more than that.

and than the winner gets way more money by fifa.

(depending on tv rights and their other incomes)

chelsea got a bit less than 50 mil througout the competition

yes tv rights will be higher in 2012 even if the games in euro 2008 were dull.. but now since euro 2008 is a kick ass tournament more tv stations will try to buy the rigjhts for 2012 and this will increase the tv rights' price.

I didn't realise that UEFA was only run by one person and that they earn so much money in the process :laugh: ! UEFA is not all about the Champions League, there's also the EURO championships, the youth championships of both the men and the womens teams, the UEFA cup, the UEFA supercup and a host of other things, not to mention the UEFA Super license and the referees training camps. Since when does UEFA earn that much money to pay the winners of the CL 100 million Euros/Pounds/Dollars? Prove it to me, not by your words, but finding the relevant article that states how much each winner and loser gets for their participation in the CL :p .

Scirwode

Edited June 21, 2008 by Scirwode

[Alfista]

Alfista, please stop lying. You wrote these two posts (partially quoted):

Now, where in that do you say that you are only mentioning semi finals, quarter finals or finals?

After I gave you the list of Euro 2008 games that ended before that 4 minute rule you made up, you change your speech:

NOW you say that the 4 minute "rule" only applies to important competition games ONLY...

Come on, dude, stop fooling us, we're smarter than that.

okkk

lest just watch todays and tomorrows games

if the result is tight

draw or 1-0 2-1

even 2-0 because it is a quarter final

u will see 4 mins being added.

if 3 is added the ref will play until the 4th minute

because refrees lets say might give 2 additional minutes but they have the right to play it 3 -4 or even 5 mins.

it is their whistle.

Since when did Ernst Stavro Blofeld became head of UEFA and FIFA :rofl: ?

Scirwode

no idea who blofeld is...

i am guessing he has a betting company as you quoted that line from my writings.

betting is a huge part of football

2 years ago i suppose

Man utd had a game against a 3rd division team in FA or the other cup

and the game was a 0-0 draw

what would you guess the betting for a 0-0 draw in that game would have a rate?

11.0?

so if you depost 1 mil dollars you would get 11?

this is just an example

people whom are in football already knows it but thats how they earn tons of money

also man utd was not with reserve team in that game.

half reserve half starting 11

i cant remember the name of the 3rd division team.

many unfair things happen within UEFA and FIFA

again i am saying

THEY ARE NOT ANGELS....

do not defend otherwise just to write opposite of what i said

everything i said so far happened to be true and became reality

why are you still humiliating yourselves just to be opposite of me?

[MightyJordan]

no idea who blofeld is...

<----- That's Blofeld! :D

BTW, I'm surprised a game between Croatia and Turkey has ended up with the mother of all debates on Neowin! :laugh: I'm surprised a mod hasn't come in to clean up the thread yet!

I think we just need to leave this situation buried. Yes, the game went over on the injury time, but that's the referee's fault. The ref is the reason for most of the controversial events in football, and Euro 2008 has so far had its fair share, especially with Ruud van Nistelrooy's "onside" goal.

[Scirwode]

okkk

lest just watch todays and tomorrows games

if the result is tight

draw or 1-0 2-1

even 2-0 because it is a quarter final

u will see 4 mins being added.

if 3 is added the ref will play until the 4th minute

because refrees lets say might give 2 additional minutes but they have the right to play it 3 -4 or even 5 mins.

it is their whistle.

Wow, I never even knew the referee was given an ultimatum such as that :o ! You must be quite something, to be honest :p .

no idea who blofeld is...

i am guessing he has a betting company as you quoted that line from my writings.

No worries, it's my little joke :p .

betting is a huge part of football

2 years ago i suppose

Man utd had a game against a 3rd division team in FA or the other cup

and the game was a 0-0 draw

what would you guess the betting for a 0-0 draw in that game would have a rate?

11.0?

so if you depost 1 mil dollars you would get 11?

I don't know, I don't bet as it's illegal for me :p . I let someone else explain about that.

many unfair things happen within UEFA and FIFA

again i am saying

THEY ARE NOT ANGELS....

do not defend otherwise just to write opposite of what i said

everything i said so far happened to be true and became reality

why are you still humiliating yourselves just to be opposite of me?

Since when am I defending UEFA and FIFA? I'm just stating the relevant facts and my personal views on the whole subject, which you are certainly making it very entertaining :laugh: ! And I'm not humiliating myself, just expressing my views :D !

BTW, I'm surprised a game between Croatia and Turkey has ended up with the mother of all debates on Neowin! :laugh: I'm surprised a mod hasn't come in to clean up the thread yet!

I haven't had this much fun since Snyper went and open a thread bashing Apple users :rofl: ! Boy, was that fun :laugh: !

Scirwode

[MightyJordan]

I haven't had this much fun since Snyper went and open a thread bashing Apple users :rofl: ! Boy, was that fun :laugh: !

You've gotta be kidding me! :D I've never seen that thread before! Can you link it to me?

[Alfista]

i love this thread too

especially i feel like i am a football guru...

i am off to the beach

you can write 2*3 more pgaes about me and Turkey's chances of euro 2008 and i will write my response accordingly.

also i think mods are also enjoying this forum and therefor not cleaning it :)

there is nothing to clean as well .

[Scirwode]

You've gotta be kidding me! :D I've never seen that thread before! Can you link it to me?

Do a search, I'm sure you'll find it :laugh: !

i love this thread too

especially i feel like i am a football guru...

i am off to the beach

you can write 2*3 more pgaes about me and Turkey's chances of euro 2008 and i will write my response accordingly.

also i think mods are also enjoying this forum and therefor not cleaning it :)

there is nothing to clean as well .

Noooooo, don't leave me! You're my arch nemesis, how can I increase my post count if you go off to do stupid things at a beach :rofl: ? This thread and its survival is more important than frolicking in the sand :laugh: !

Scirwode

[Alfista]

Do a search, I'm sure you'll find it :laugh: !

Noooooo, don't leave me! You're my arch nemesis, how can I increase my post count if you go off to do stupid things at a beach :rofl: ? This thread and its survival is more important than frolicking in the sand :laugh: !

Scirwode

byeee

:)

see you later tonight.

[Scirwode]

byeee

:)

see you later tonight.

Bunkum :hmmm: .

Scirwode

[Alfista]

its not turkey playing football... i am not going to be in those silly jokes..

just thought this picture was awesome.

football is the greatest sport of all times.

[MrChainsaw]

Who do you think will win the today's match, Netherlands vs Russia. I think its a bit obvious, lol.

[Setnom]

Who do you think will win the today's match, Netherlands vs Russia. I think its a bit obvious, lol.

Yeah, Netherlands is probably the strongest team in the tournament...

[MightyJordan]

I'm backing the Netherlands to win this one as well. My dad reckons Russia will win. God knows why! I'm still backing my main prediction, which is the Netherlands will win the tournament.

[Keito]

I still think Germany will win it... they're mentally way stronger than anybody else on the planet -the entire German people if you ask me... when it comes to sports

[Scirwode]

I still think Germany will win it... they're mentally way stronger than anybody else on the planet -the entire German people if you ask me... when it comes to sports

I'm not so sure, I think Spain have a much better chance at it than Germany, to be honest.

Scirwode

[Martyn]

Didn't see the game. Was it god/ Saw Turkey win the shootout in a bar, but I I was out with a friend who camedown to my Uni from Liverpool, and we did a ****ing superb bar crawl.

Might read this thread in the morhing (but I doubt it), as I am having a house pryt tomorrow nifht like, and can t bec arsed with Alfista buzzing over all his ****.

Was on Pro Evo before like, and Turan was ****. Lost a tenner, what a bitch.

Cnat believe I lost a tener. It is the equibalent of AIDS!! Think I spelt it vaguely right, I'll correct it tomorrow.

BUT....NOW...PEEP SHOQW!!!!!!

Ha ha ha! I think I did quite well with that post, seeing as I was rather drunk.

"It is the equibalent of AIDS!!" <------- classic :laugh: