Firefox appears on apple.com

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Grand Master

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I still don't think Apple ever seriously intended Safari to be widely used on non-macs. But they had to play it as so in order to get Web Developers not to ignore Safari when designing web pages.

Software market share on Windows is much more competitive.

Besides, unlike iTunes, there's no money to be made in the Web Browser world.

Fun thing to think about.

when Safari was mac only, it had more combined users than Opera on Windows, Linux and Mac.

Now it runs on windows, it's got even more.

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I think they are acknowledging the fact that Safari is the worst browser on Windows

I like how they show off the product on Vista Basic :rolleyes:

Anything to show Vista down, typical apple. :wacko:

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I noticed this the other day. Although it wasn't just on this page, it was on another page of Apple.com promoting MobileMe, where you could clearly see a full browser window of Firefox on Windows Vista... so unless they've updated the page a bit or there is another page aswell?

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I think the odd thing is that Apple aren't showing Windows with IE rather than FF or Safari.

We are all aware that Safari is very much developer based; I love it on Mac, but my work PC it's shocking how unstable it is.

But again, it would make more sense to show off it in IE on PC and Safari on Mac. Use the native browsers in all.

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Or they could just have Glass disabled.

It was disabled for me (on Ultimate) after I installed my graphics card drivers (for some reason)

I noticed the same was done on Firefox's page. Perhaps these are all run on virtual machines? I just fail to see why they'd use such an ugly GUI over Aero.

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I noticed the same was done on Firefox's page. Perhaps these are all run on virtual machines? I just fail to see why they'd use such an ugly GUI over Aero.

I work in Web Development, but I think everybody is the same that when developing IMHO; Aero just seems to hog a lot of resources and just slows things down. I had to set up a laptop for a demo, but it was brand new with Vista on it; rather than take the time and downgrade to XP, I just turned off all the fancy Vista UI stuff to get it running the same speed as XP running all the functional-fancy UI stuff.

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I work in Web Development, but I think everybody is the same that when developing IMHO; Aero just seems to hog a lot of resources and just slows things down. I had to set up a laptop for a demo, but it was brand new with Vista on it; rather than take the time and downgrade to XP, I just turned off all the fancy Vista UI stuff to get it running the same speed as XP running all the functional-fancy UI stuff.

DWM.exe is using 48MB on my system right now and flying. How is that a resource hog?

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DWM.exe is using 48MB on my system right now and flying. How is that a resource hog?

Maybe not in terms of RAM usage, but in terms of having to utilize other hardware such as your CPU/GPU also? I use Vista myself to test work on IE7 and turn all the visual effects off too, so I can allocate the machine less resources, most certainly including RAM.

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Maybe not in terms of RAM usage, but in terms of having to utilize other hardware such as your CPU/GPU also? I use Vista myself to test work on IE7 and turn all the visual effects off too, so I can allocate the machine less resources, most certainly including RAM.
You're missing the point. Aero Glass uses the GPU for hardware accleration, as it should. I'm one of those rare people, you know, that would rather have the hardware I purchased be put to good use. On XP, the GPU wasn't used properly, and all the visual effects taxed your CPU.

There's a reason Snow Leopard will be moving to more hardware acceleration, as well.

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I work in Web Development, but I think everybody is the same that when developing IMHO; Aero just seems to hog a lot of resources and just slows things down. I had to set up a laptop for a demo, but it was brand new with Vista on it; rather than take the time and downgrade to XP, I just turned off all the fancy Vista UI stuff to get it running the same speed as XP running all the functional-fancy UI stuff.

Others have already chimed in, but I want to as well. Aero is no resource hog and tests have proven this. Does it consume more resources? Yes. How much more? An insignificant amount. I'm in web development as well and love working on my Vista machine, but my work machine is XP and I would rather it not be. To each his own I guess, but it's obvious they neglected to use Aero for whatever reason. It's not a big deal, so meh.

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You're missing the point. Aero Glass uses the GPU for hardware accleration, as it should. I'm one of those rare people, you know, that would rather have the hardware I purchased be put to good use. On XP, the GPU wasn't used properly, and all the visual effects taxed your CPU.

There's a reason Snow Leopard will be moving to more hardware acceleration, as well.

How am I missing the point, when I clearly mentioned utilizing alternative hardware such as both the CPU & GPU? Maybe I know more about Windows, than you do Mac OS X, if you're really trying to make me believe Snow Leopard is really delivering the oh so long awaited hardware acceleration to Aqua. :laugh:

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Beaten like a dead horse, but...

I work in Web Development, but I think everybody is the same that when developing IMHO; Aero just seems to hog a lot of resources and just slows things down. I had to set up a laptop for a demo, but it was brand new with Vista on it; rather than take the time and downgrade to XP, I just turned off all the fancy Vista UI stuff to get it running the same speed as XP running all the functional-fancy UI stuff.

By turning off Aero, you're actually making your CPU do more work, which will slow down software rendering (like Firefox is doing)

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