Mac OS X Snow Leopard Discussion

[.Neo]

Most plugins don't seem to be compatible. :/

[crazzyyfool]

What kind of plugins are you referring too? Internet or QuickTime stuff?

[gazebee_]

Does anyone here use Candy Bar, Magnifique, or any other theming apps from Leopard? Does it work with Snow Leopard?

[Xero]

Like Quillz said, it works "sorta" CandyBar at least.

And plugins I'm thinking Chax, and Keywurl, a SIMBL plugin. I think both might be resolved switching the apps to run in 32bit mode as they aren't 64 bit plugins. I've heard you can install Perian using terminal and it works. Gunna give that a go.

[Xero]

Soo I was a goof and used Xslimmer which nuked the 32bit versions of apps. I'll have to do clean install and play with it then. Damn apps !

[Quillz]

Note the latest version of Saft doesn't work, because it's newer than 4.0 (and 4.0.1 won't install on Snow Leopard.) However, due to a bug or something, Saft doesn't alert you of this (as it normally does), so to all Saft users, don't upgrade from the version that supported 4.0.

[Xero]

One thing that might annoy some of you, certainly me. Is them axing support for some of Quicktime's best features. Currently in Quicktime X there are no Movie Properties or A/V Controls. No longer can we speed up, slow down, adjust contrast, hue & saturation, ect. Most important, is we can no longer view the movie's properties, the different video, audio, subtitle, chapter tracks. No more exporting, importing or modifying specific tracks. We also lost the ability to have selections, sure you can still trim, but you can't select a portion of the video to "bookmark" if you will. As a player its great, but I'm upset to see some of these great features disappear. I loved using Quicktime as it made the process so simple, I don't want to resort to more complicated programs just to do something as simple as extracting/importing audio tracks. I'm hoping they just haven't added it yet as the program doesn't even have any preferences and if I'm not mistaken the PreferencePane for it is gone too.

Anyone else notice any lost features in other apps?

[PyX]

No longer can we speed up, slow down

Speed up : click multiple times on the forward button

Slow down : Gone? Maybe they will put it back, as they had nothing to do with the window, it already fitted with the rest of the interface

adjust contrast , hue & saturation

Gone? Maybe they will put it back, as they had nothing to do with the window, it already fitted with the rest of the interface

Most important, is we can no longer view the movie's properties, the different video, audio, subtitle, chapter tracks. No more exporting, importing or modifying specific tracks.

Properties : Window -> Show Movie Inspector

Subtitles : View -> Subtitles

Chapters : View -> Show Chapters

Exporting : File -> Save As (with pretty much no choice than to save in .mov !!!)

Exporting : The Share menu (it can save to iTunes) but it's strange because I have only iPod & iPhone right now in the movie I'm viewing ATM

Different video : what is that?

The rest : gone?

Anyone else notice any lost features in other apps?

Font smoothing has lost all of its options, but that's because every Mac running Snow Leopard will require LCD font smoothing, so it's fine with me to remove old technologies.

[richardsim7]

Hmm... Not sure if this was mentioned, but now you can minimize a window into the Dock icon itself, instead of a new window/space on the Dock...

The animations and physics are exactly as before, it just now goes into your Dock icon. I guess it's for those who prefer keeping a static Dock and don't want extra space and/or size being sacrificed. Otherwise, it believes exactly like any other minimized window, which means it also shows up in Expose, and you can still keyboard toggle to it.

YES!! :D

-Rich-

[Phantom Helix]

One thing that might annoy some of you, certainly me. Is them axing support for some of Quicktime's best features. Currently in Quicktime X there are no Movie Properties or A/V Controls. No longer can we speed up, slow down, adjust contrast, hue & saturation, ect. Most important, is we can no longer view the movie's properties, the different video, audio, subtitle, chapter tracks. No more exporting, importing or modifying specific tracks. We also lost the ability to have selections, sure you can still trim, but you can't select a portion of the video to "bookmark" if you will. As a player its great, but I'm upset to see some of these great features disappear. I loved using Quicktime as it made the process so simple, I don't want to resort to more complicated programs just to do something as simple as extracting/importing audio tracks. I'm hoping they just haven't added it yet as the program doesn't even have any preferences and if I'm not mistaken the PreferencePane for it is gone too.

Anyone else notice any lost features in other apps?

ive noticed alot things missing from more than just quicktime, i think they disabled prefferences and options because it is just a developer preview seed

[Xero]

^ Hope so

Speed up : click multiple times on the forward button

Didn't know that, thanks

Slow down : Gone? Maybe they will put it back, as they had nothing to do with the window, it already fitted with the rest of the interface

What do you mean "nothing to do with the window" not sure what you mean as all of the things I referenced were separate panels not part of the actual player.

Properties : Window -> Show Movie Inspector

Subtitles : View -> Subtitles

Chapters : View -> Show Chapters

Exporting : File -> Save As (with pretty much no choice than to save in .mov !!!)

Exporting : The Share menu (it can save to iTunes) but it's strange because I have only iPod & iPhone right now in the movie I'm viewing ATM

Different video : what is that?

The rest : gone?

Movie Inspector and Movie Properties are too completely different panels. Inspector shows the general information. Properties shows the file properties, so video codec, size, framerate, ect. Audio shows type of track, aac, ac3, dts, the speaker configs ect. Subtitles, the type of subtitle track and languages ect. As for exporting, I was referring to exporting specific tracks only. For example if I convert a video for my iPhone, I might want to watch it on my AppleTV too, so I'll open the source, export the 5.1 audio, and import it into my converted video, or if I want to add subtitles, I'll export from source, import into the converted file. I'm hoping they release a "Pro" version of Quicktime X that has these features. I don't mind paying for them I just don't want to lose them forever, hell give me Quicktime 7 under Snow Leopard and I'll be happy (doesn't work for anyone who wants to try). I'd rather not use iMovie or another more complex editor just to do such simple actions, it was nice having everything in 1 place. Quicktime 7 also had the option of exporting in various formats from audio only, video to mp4, mov, and various filetypes.

[Xero]

Are they reading Neowin?! :) Kinda funny considering what I've been bitching about lately.

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/30/os-x-s...7-installation/

[grant0r]

mmm snow leopard...cannot wait!

[PyX]

What do you mean "nothing to do with the window" not sure what you mean as all of the things I referenced were separate panels not part of the actual player.

I mean, when you click on... I think in English it would be "View -> A/V controls" or "Window -> A/V controls", the window that appears is a black HUD panel, just like the whole QuickTime X interface. If they could just put it back as it is right now, it'd be perfect, they don't need to change anything to it. If they put it back, it will cover about half of your put-these-things-back requests.

I'm hoping they release a "Pro" version of Quicktime X that has these features. I don't mind paying for them

I would mind if they make anyone pay. There should be no pro version of any video player, especially if the user has to pay to enable it. I mean, either don't charge anything at all and put the features back into QuickTime (I believe QuickTime X is not completely done yet) or put the features somewhere else in the OS or in a real application like iMovie or Final Cut or Premiere or anything serious about movie making. Obviously my first option's my favorite :p

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And yeah, when I read that on MacRumours, I thought about your post XD

[Xero]

Ah yea, I see what you mean. Yea put them back I'm fine with it lol. However I disagree with you about paying for a pro version. Quicktime 7 doesn't have the mentioned features normally, you have to pay for them. While I think the idea of paying to go fullscreen and the dumb **** they did in the past was wrong, I don't think paying a fee to unlock advanced features of the video player that enable video editing more or less is a bad thing. If you don't want to fine, it will do everything you expect it to. If you pay for it, you get to do more with it then just watch videos. Just personal opinion of course :)

[Vice]

I think to Apple it became a bit silly to include iMovie on all new Macs for free that could output video for a plethora of Apple products like the iPod, Apple TV and iPhone whilst if you wanted to be able to convert videos you already have for those devices you would have to pay for the Pro version of Quicktime and I'm sure there were a lot of users who wanted to capture some quick video or audio via isight who couldn't without paying up for Quicktime pro.

I personally think Quicktime on OS X is a great piece of software I use the editing features all the time just when I want to quickly edit a clip to show someone else and not being able to do that in iTunes or iMovie really only leaves Quicktime Pro.

I think it's great of Apple to include a full featured Quicktime in Snow Leopard. Save me having to pay out for Quicktime Pro again. (Y)

[Quillz]

I think it's great of Apple to include a full featured Quicktime in Snow Leopard. Save me having to pay out for Quicktime Pro again. (Y)

But in it's current state, it's still not as fully featured as QuickTime Pro was. It's only about halfway.

[Vice]

But in it's current state, it's still not as fully featured as QuickTime Pro was. It's only about halfway.

Which features does it lack?

[PL_ Veteran]

Hmm... Not sure if this was mentioned, but now you can minimize a window into the Dock icon itself, instead of a new window/space on the Dock...

The animations and physics are exactly as before, it just now goes into your Dock icon. I guess it's for those who prefer keeping a static Dock and don't want extra space and/or size being sacrificed. Otherwise, it believes exactly like any other minimized window, which means it also shows up in Expose, and you can still keyboard toggle to it.

Is this by default? What does it look like?

[Phantom Helix]

Is this by default? What does it look like?

Yes it is default but you can change it back to like in 10.5

[Quillz]

Is this by default? What does it look like?

It wasn't checked by default for me.

It looks exactly like minimizing a window, except it goes into the Dock icon instead of a new space on the Dock. Watch the video above to get a feel for it.

[.Neo]

But in it's current state, it's still not as fully featured as QuickTime Pro was. It's only about halfway.

Right now you can still download the full QuickTime 7 on Snow Leopard on demand and you'll get all of its Pro features for free...

Of course there's no guarantee that this will still be the case when the OS hits GM.

[Quillz]

Right now you can still download the full QuickTime 7 on Snow Leopard on demand and you'll get all of its Pro features for free...

Of course there's no guarantee that this will still be the case when the OS hits GM.

How do I do this?

[Simon Veteran]

Can someone on SL try going into expose while zoomed in? (ctrl + scroll in/out)

In Tiger and Leopard, the screen would stay in place, rendering Expose essentially useless. With Expose becoming more integral in the dock, I hope they fixed a bug that was annoying before and will be even more annoying now.

[.Neo]

How do I do this?

Open a file that isn't supported by the new QuickTime X application. Like a .qtz file. Software Update will automatically prompt you to install QuickTime 7. It worked on the latest build I had installed. There's also an article about it on MacRumors I believe.