Mac OS X Snow Leopard Discussion

[.Neo]

Except you have Graphite enabled, might be what he was talking about ;)

Well Graphite is part of regular Aqua as well. Here are the same windows in Blue:

(Yuk I hate Blue on Leopard :x)

[Quillz]

Does anyone know where I can get these Aqua Extreme elements?

[NeoXY]

Count me in too. While they might be dated it is nice to see them. They add some flavor to the gui and definitely stand out.

Btw, anyone else see one of the Adobe dev blogs. CS5 will drop PPC support, drop Carbon for Cocoa and go 64 bit native. mmm after seeing what Apple did when they did the same things I'm dying to see what CS5 will bring. I'm very anxious for it now.

http://blogs.adobe.com/jnack/2009/08/goodn...suite_risc.html

Yep and this:

By the time the next version of the Suite ships, the very youngest PPC-based Macs will be roughly four years old.

CS5 dropping this year? Or early next?

[PyX]

(Yuk I hate Blue on Leopard :x)

It's sexy :p

I think Graphite is too plain, too boring... Meh!

Aqua Extreme indeed looks a lot more polished and... God, it should come like that by default in Snow Leopard. I'm with you and can't believe we srtill get those bubbly candy buttons.

Those screenshots with Aqua Extreme, they come from just Leopard or Snow Leopard? (rephrased : does it work with Snow Leopard already?)

[.Neo]

The screen shots are Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. As far as I know it isn't posible to theme Snow Leopard yet. I'm not even sure if it still uses Extras(2).rsrc for the progress and scroll bars. :/

[Quillz]

The screen shots are Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard. As far as I know it isn't posible to theme Snow Leopard yet. I'm not even sure if it still uses Extras(2).rsrc for the progress and scroll bars. :/

I know those screenshots are from Leopard, so I was asking where you got the Aqua Extreme elements from. I'd like to apply them to my Leopard install.

[.Neo]

I know those screenshots are from Leopard, so I was asking where you got the Aqua Extreme elements from. I'd like to apply them to my Leopard install.

Apparently there are others on this forum beyond you and me as well. PsykX wanted to know if the screen shots were created on Leopard or not.

I can't really help you with where to get them these days. I made this copy of mine two years ago using the original Aqua Extreme theme released for Tiger.

[Quillz]

Apparently there are others on this forum beyond you and me as well. PsykX wanted to know if the screen shots were created on Leopard or not.

I can't really help you with where to get them these days. I made this copy of mine two years ago using the original Aqua Extreme theme released for Tiger.

Hmm... Could you share the ones you have? Or can elements of Mac OS X not be re-distributed on Neowin?

[.Neo]

Check this thread out:

http://macthemes2.net/forum/viewtopic.php?...6798114&p=2

[PyX]

Just a quick question or comment :

I remember back in the days of Leopard betas where Resolution Independance was supposed to be part of the OS and then this enhancement got cut.

I've used the zoom function in Snow Leopard's developer builds and so far, everything was pixelised, so is it safe to say that Resolution Independance won't even be able to make it in Snow Leopard, which is roughly 2 years after Leopard's release date? This is kind of a let down IMHO, or maybe they had no idea of what to do with it so they decided to just cut it on the roadmap of OS X?

[.Neo]

This is kind of a let down IMHO, or maybe they had no idea of what to do with it so they decided to just cut it on the roadmap of OS X?

You're disappointed because you own an ultra high resolution screen?

[Quillz]

You're disappointed because you own an ultra high resolution screen?

I think he's disappointed because Apple promised resolution independence nearly 2 years ago and it still hasn't shown up yet.

There's not much benefit to an ultra-high resolution monitor if you can't read anything on it.

[.Neo]

The reason I ask is because there's no real need for it yet. Screens that would actually benefit from resolution independence are everything but mainstream and pretty expensive. People have been saying they're disappointed with Apple for not completing the feature since 2005. I honestly wonder how many of them actually need it rather than it just being cool to have.

Next to that Apple didn't promise anything. Underneath every Mac OS X preview site to date there has been a little note along these lines:

[Quillz]

The reason I ask is because there's no real need for it yet. Screens that would actually benefit from resolution independence are everything but mainstream and pretty expensive. People have been saying they're disappointed with Apple for not completing the feature since 2005. I honestly wonder how many of them actually need it rather than it just being cool to have.

Next to that Apple didn't promise anything. Underneath every Mac OS X preview site to date there has been a little note along these lines:

I would agree that most people don't necessarily need resolution independence. But Apple, sometimes, has a tendency to announce features and set release dates for them (such as the September 2008 launch of the iPhone's push service), miss them, and then later act as if the features were never promised or demonstrated in the past.

[the evn show]

My parents are a bit annoyed because there's no real way to increase the size of controls on Mac OS X like you can with Windows. The hold control and scroll the mouse trick works but it's not nearly as effective as just quadrupling the size of widgets. Another popular alternative is to run your display at less than native resolution but that's not much better (and sometimes isn't an option). Plus, both solutions distort graphics/text to make them more blurry: That's not really a solution to the problem of having elements appear blurry to certain users.

As our parents get older visual impairments are going to become more common and the need for this sort of thing will grow. It's a worth-while feature even without super-high resolution displays.

[Stetson]

I've seen lots of people with newer computers (PCs) that come with a 22" screen that they use for basic web browsing and email. They usually end up with a non-native screen resolution so that the text isn't so tiny. With Vista I can just increase the system wide DPI.

I wouldn't see much use for it in OSX on laptops, since the screens are usually quite close to you, but for desktop displays it might be nice to sacrifice a bit of real estate for better readability at a distance, especially for casual users.

[StandingInAlley]

ugh

I was expecting a new theme honestly. Disappointed :/

[PyX]

Well I often find myself using the Zoom pages function in Safari and Control + Scroll to zoom on small elements.

I'm not disappointed to own a high-resolution display, but as Quillz pointed out, it's not worth it if you can't read it. It's not like I should wear glasses or anything either (I did once in my life, but my problem's fixed now) : I don't see why I'm even using all these accessibility options. Resolution Independance would fix the problem for most people.

My parents are a bit annoyed because there's no real way to increase the size of controls on Mac OS X like you can with Windows.

I have the exact same problem with my dad.

[Quillz]

ugh

I was expecting a new theme honestly. Disappointed :/

Why were you expecting Snow Leopard, essentially a minor refresh of Leopard, to have a radical new UI and/or theme?

Aqua will remain in place likely until Mac OS 11.

[Unrealistic]

Does Magnifique work on SL?

Damnit nevermind :p

WARNING: DO NOT use Magnifique on OS X 10.6 Snow Leopard. It's almost certain that it will mess up your system beyond repair.

We are planning a complete rewrite of Magnifique once Snow Leopard is released. Thanks for everyone's support

[.Neo]

I would agree that most people don't necessarily need resolution independence. But Apple, sometimes, has a tendency to announce features and set release dates for them (such as the September 2008 launch of the iPhone's push service), miss them, and then later act as if the features were never promised or demonstrated in the past.

It was mentioned on the early Leopard preview site, but again all features were subject to change.

The entire frameworks were basically in place with Tiger. They just never fully updated the Aqua elements to support it.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Just a quick question or comment :

I remember back in the days of Leopard betas where Resolution Independance was supposed to be part of the OS and then this enhancement got cut.

I've used the zoom function in Snow Leopard's developer builds and so far, everything was pixelised, so is it safe to say that Resolution Independance won't even be able to make it in Snow Leopard, which is roughly 2 years after Leopard's release date? This is kind of a let down IMHO, or maybe they had no idea of what to do with it so they decided to just cut it on the roadmap of OS X?

Resolution Independence wasn't removed from Leopard, it's just enabled only in specific circumstances (and it's buggy and slow because it's unfinished)

What's in Snow Leopard would be much better.

[.Neo]

I noticed Apple removed quite a few of the new desktop pictures newly introduced in the last beta build. :/

[giga Veteran]

I noticed Apple removed quite a few of the new desktop pictures newly introduced in the last beta build. :/

Yeah, the terrible ones (save for the two B&W ones).

[.Neo]

And they haven't changed the welcome movie either from Leopard. We all know that's what a new Mac OS X release is all about. :laugh: