Safari 4 Developer Preview

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Unsurprisingly, different tasks run faster and slower, even on the same system.

Firefox 3 RC2 on the left, Safari 4 DP on the right. In some tests Firefox is faster, in some Safari is faster, in some there's barely any difference, but SquirrelFish is an overall improvement.

Now lets see how fast Firefox gets once ActionMonkey lands.

[Sam Symons Veteran]

WebKit r34388 = 3222.4ms

Firefox 3 = 3853.4ms

Safari = 4645.4ms

IE7 = 36858.2ms :laugh: Poor IE users

I think I might download this and test it out.

That IE7 figure made me laugh :p

[Timan Veteran]

The new Inspector fracking rocks aswell.

As you can see, neowin is slow as hell at the moment :p

[PyX]

Oh wow, they FINALLY included the not-so-new-anymore Web Inspector!!! I was wondering why it wasn't there in Safari 3, I mean, it's the best Inspector I've ever seen in all my life and it didn't even make it into the final :s

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Yeah, the Web Inspector is awesome.

and being able to view the HTTP headers (request and response) is great too.

[wellofsouls]

So what's the difference between Safari 3.1.1 with latest webkit nightly vs. Safari 4 with latest webkit nightly?

I'm not too hot on the "web application" thing, just like Mozilla Prism, this kind of stuff just feels like something of a curiosity, interesting, but not much use. Web Clips are actually much more useful.

And it seems Apple still haven't add some very basic things like the ability to force pop-ups open in new tabs instead of new windows, or prompt before starting a download, so the "carpet bombing" vulnerability is still there I guess. :unsure:

[Crazysah]

That is exactly what I was wondering. There was a webkit nightly just yesterday... so what is the difference between that and this?

Thanks!

[lucianmarin]

Oh wow, they FINALLY included the not-so-new-anymore Web Inspector!!! I was wondering why it wasn't there in Safari 3, I mean, it's the best Inspector I've ever seen in all my life and it didn't even make it into the final :s

It is included with Safari 3.1. Go to Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced and enable "Show Develop menu in menu bar".

Firefox 3 RC2 - 6321.2ms

Safari 4 - 7963.0ms

SunSpider results on Windows XP SP3, AMD Athlon XP (only SSE).

[wellofsouls]

That is exactly what I was wondering. There was a webkit nightly just yesterday... so what is the difference between that and this?

I'd guess the only differences are the "Save as web app..." and the revamped "Develop" Menu with modified Web Inspector and new Javascript debugger.

Might as well give it a whirl. I get 98/100 (Sometimes I got 97/100..) on the Acid3 page. So close. :p

I can actually get 100/100 in Acid3 with Safari 4 occassionally, it seems to fluctuates randomly between 97 and 100 :p

It's just with such a great rendering engine like WebKit, Safari somehow lacks a lot in certain basic usability aspects. :shiftyninja:

[shakey_snake]

FYI,

Webkit Benchmarks differently than other browsers, do to the fact that it fires onload() events before the content is rendered.

So you can't directly compare the numbers against other browsers.

Noobs. :p

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

So what's the difference between Safari 3.1.1 with latest webkit nightly vs. Safari 4 with latest webkit nightly?

I'm not too hot on the "web application" thing, just like Mozilla Prism, this kind of stuff just feels like something of a curiosity, interesting, but not much use. Web Clips are actually much more useful.

And it seems Apple still haven't add some very basic things like the ability to force pop-ups open in new tabs instead of new windows, or prompt before starting a download, so the "carpet bombing" vulnerability is still there I guess. :unsure:

The nightly is a nightly (i.e. bleeding edge current development)

Safari 4 is a preview of the next release (i.e. more stable code)

[alxz.310]

Keep getting 100/100 on Acid 3 Tests! :D

However, memory usage is still EXTREME... 350MB RAM when browsing with one tab

[wellofsouls]

The nightly is a nightly (i.e. bleeding edge current development)

Safari 4 is a preview of the next release (i.e. more stable code)

Err... what I mean is the difference between Safari 3.1.1 with nightly vs. Safari 4 with nightly.

ie, running the latest nightly with Safari 3.1.1 installed, vs. running the latest nightly with Safari 4 installed.

I guess the only difference would be some UI modification between Safari 3.1.1 and Safari 4 (since the rendering engine should be the same in this case, ie. the latest WebKit nightly).

[+jamesyfx Subscriber²]

Damn. I can't access digital banking with this browser :laugh: I wish It didn't replace Safari 3.

[The_Decryptor Veteran]

Err... what I mean is the difference between Safari 3.1.1 with nightly vs. Safari 4 with nightly.

ie, running the latest nightly with Safari 3.1.1 installed, vs. running the latest nightly with Safari 4 installed.

I guess the only difference would be some UI modification between Safari 3.1.1 and Safari 4 (since the rendering engine should be the same in this case, ie. the latest WebKit nightly).

the nightly is bleeding edge code.

From the looks of it, there isn't a difference between Safari 3.1.1 vs. Safari 4 apart from WebKit.

[wellofsouls]

the nightly is bleeding edge code.

Of course, I know that very well, I don't know why you find it necessary to repeat it time and again though :huh:

From the looks of it, there isn't a difference between Safari 3.1.1 vs. Safari 4 apart from WebKit.

well, like I said, there are some little UI differences between 3.3.1 and 4 besides the engine, for example the new "Save as Web Application..." item in File menu, and the new Javascript debugger and profiler in the Develop menu ;)

[Smethead]

I love it that new tabs now open your set start page (option). I'm sorry if it was in 3.1.1, I might have overseen that.

[wellofsouls]

I love it that new tabs now open your set start page (option). I'm sorry if it was in 3.1.1, I might have overseen that.

where do you set that? for me Ctrl-T still open an empty tab.

[+Batfink Subscriber²]

Does anyone know if Apple intend to beef up security in 4.0? In particular I am hoping they include:

Extended Validation Certificates (Like Opera, Safari & IE)

Phishing Protection from places like Netcraft and PhishTank, and Malware protection from Haute Secure (Like Opera)

Maybe using ClamAV to automatically scan downloads and HTML content before it is loaded

Any news on the Security front?

[wellofsouls]

I'd hope they can fix the "carpet bombing" vulnerability first... :shiftyninja:

[Smethead]

where do you set that? for me Ctrl-T still open an empty tab.

In the General preferences. Set it to open new windows with your home page and check the box under it to also do this with new tabs.

[wellofsouls]

In the General preferences. Set it to open new windows with your home page and check the box under it to also do this with new tabs.

oh, I guess it's a Mac only setting then... no luck for Windows version... :shiftyninja:

[bbfc_uk]

Just joined ADC so I can download the Safari 4 Preview.

Its very fast, but on my machine I don't find it significantly quicker than IE8 Beta 2. It certainly doesn't take as long to load up, but its not quicker than IE8.

I really hope they do something to the UI on Windows, it just look so out of place.