No more Windows 2008 for me..

[MMaster23]

The resource handling can't be compared between Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 1:1 but they are alike. Windows 6.0 and up allocates your memory even if you don't use it.

This has nothing to with SuperFetch. It's been proven chached memory (reserved by the OS) works faster then allocating free memory.

So .. like the posts above me said .. you're reading the numbers wrong.

Also .. you say you're an MCSE .. then you should know better then to just jump in and run 2008 without looking into the core.

I highly recommend reading trough TechNet Server 2008 at least to get to know it better.

Invest in some books .. they are hardly 50$ a piece. You only need about 3 to get your MCTS/MCITP for 2008. Less if you upgrade from MCSE / MCSA.

Try the new performance monitor and let it log your usage numbers for a while. You can then generate reports on nearly every aspect of your system.

I've used this week in the field for a Windows Server 2008 deployment project... had it log every aspect of the system for the duration of a LAN deployment. Gave me precise figures on what one concurrent deploy ate up on resources and helps me plan my architecture as a whole.

Also as a side note: Your 2008 should not run slow. I run server 2008 on a daily basis on comparable servers and in virtualized scenarios. My virtual pc's / vmwares never have more then 900MB each and they all run sailing smooth.

[Scorbing]

Windows 2008 server runs waaaaaaaaaay better than Vista dude. I hate Vista. I was using XP until a few days ago when I started reading articles about Server 2008 performing better than Vista. After reading all the reports and tests, I figured I try it myself. I got a copy of the Trial version and I installed it. Enabled Aero and everything else needed to play games, etc and I must say I am quite impressed. Its not a memory hog like Vista. Only 32 processes running. I even installed Unreal Tournament 3 on it and plays so smooth its not funny. I like it. Its the way Vista should have been.

[MtnDewCodeRedFreak]

Uh Scorbing? Vista SP1 and Win Server 2008 both have the same code base. It's nothing different.

[Budious]

Uh Scorbing? Vista SP1 and Win Server 2008 both have the same code base. It's nothing different.

Shhh.... don't feed the Mojave trolls. He's obviously a placebo subject.

[MtnDewCodeRedFreak]

Shhh.... don't feed the Mojave trolls. He's obviously a placebo subject.

Obviously so, lol. I haven't had any problems on my 4-yr-old Dell (blue font in my sig) - and I have had Vista *since* Beta 2. I then got a 64-bit laptop (green font in sig) on Monday, 8/4/08 and Vista Home Premium 64-bit works like a beauty.

[Scorbing]

Shhh.... don't feed the Mojave trolls. He's obviously a placebo subject.

Dudes, one thing that annoyed me about Vista was that I could see a YouTube video full screen. On server 2008 I can see it just fine. But this is nothing. There are other annoying things that Vista did that server 2008 does not do. For example, I was always getting an error when I installed and used my Canon printer. On server 2008 I get no errors. Works like a charm. Server 2008 is not bloated with useless garbage like Vista is so don't try to come and tell me that Vista and server 2008 are the same. They may have the same core, but they are totally different operating systems. Server is much more secure than Vista is so please don't even try to tell me they are the same. Read the test results.

[Japlabot]

so you have counted up all your running processes (including Azureus) and determined that it is using less than the 2GB of RAM, but because Windows 2008 is allocating memory somewhere else, which is bringing the total to 2GB, you have determined that the OS is faulty. I think that instead of thowing in the towel just because task manager is telling you that you have used up all your RAM, maybe you should be investigating deeper to find where this RAM has gone so you can learn this new OS that you are going to end up using sooner or later (wasn't this the point of this lab you have set up).

My theory is that the memory is being used by the Kernel for some pre-fetching like Vista does (I have not heard of this feature being able to be disabled, or off by default. If anything, I would think that it's on by default to improve performance). Try selecting the View option in Task Manager to "Show kernel times".

[Scorbing]

Server 2008 does not have Superfetch active. It is turned off by default so he must be having a problem somewhere else.

[bobbba]

Dudes, one thing that annoyed me about Vista was that I could see a YouTube video full screen. On server 2008 I can see it just fine.

Works fine for me so most likely driver issue

For example, I was always getting an error when I installed and used my Canon printer. On server 2008 I get no errors. Works like a charm.

Erm, Canon printer, Canon driver, Canon problem...

Server 2008 is not bloated with useless garbage like Vista is so don't try to come and tell me that Vista and server 2008 are the same. They may have the same core, but they are totally different operating systems. Server is much more secure than Vista is so please don't even try to tell me they are the same. Read the test results.

Sure it is, keep the tin foil hat pulled on nice and tight... :wacko:

[Scorbing]

"Erm, Canon printer, Canon driver, Canon problem"

How come it doesn't happen on Server 2008 then? I used the exact same driver on Vista.

"Works fine for me so most likely driver issue"

Again, I used the exact same Nvidia driver I used on Vista yet on Server 2008 everything worked fine.

"Sure it is, keep the tin foil hat pulled on nice and tight... "

Server 2008 security is much tighter than Vista's and anyone with half a brain knows that.

[GreenMartian]

I'm not sure i understand. You're complaining that 2008 can't even run azureus without slowing the pc down, and yet you also said that it's only using ~100mb - that's less than 10% of your ram. I'd say your problem lies somewhere else.

You also mentioned intensive hard disk i/o, most likely the pagefile; have you tried showing the pagefile usage, and check which app/service is using most of it?

[bobbba]

Server 2008 security is much tighter than Vista's and anyone with half a brain knows that.

Well for those who have a whole brain:

Maybe some believe Windows 2008 is more secure because it has the following:

UAC

DEP

EFS

Privilege level restriction

Memory obfuscation

IE Protected mode

Oh wait, Vista's got all of those, so Windows 2008 exclusively has:

Support for 128- and 256-bit AES encryption for the Kerberos authentication protocol.

New cryptography (CNG) API which supports elliptic curve cryptography and improved certificate management.

Secure Socket Tunneling Protocol, a new Microsoft proprietary VPN protocol.

AuthIP, a Microsoft proprietary extension of the IKE cryptographic protocol used in IPsec VPN networks.

All very useful in a home environment...

[Revolution.]

dont forget dude that your running a server OS on a non server hardware, im just saying that i forgot what the type of ram they use, but theres special hardware needed to get the full potiental from the OS server, and the hardware are mega expensive, like 1 Gb of that special ram is over the roof, i dont know the name of it, im sure someone will help me out with that. but especially running on DDR1 ram and P4, i doubt you will be able to speed things up if you upgraded to a minor set up... think about the year WS2008 came out lol .. not 2000...

[Scorbing]

dont forget dude that your running a server OS on a non server hardware, im just saying that i forgot what the type of ram they use, but theres special hardware needed to get the full potiental from the OS server, and the hardware are mega expensive, like 1 Gb of that special ram is over the roof, i dont know the name of it, im sure someone will help me out with that. but especially running on DDR1 ram and P4, i doubt you will be able to speed things up if you upgraded to a minor set up... think about the year WS2008 came out lol .. not 2000...

Special hardware and special memory you say? LOL

Dude if you see how fast this thing is running right now on my rig...you'll be amazed.

[MMaster23]

People people settle down .. I have been working with both Windows Vista and Windows Server 2008 since they hit post-Beta's and I can tell you, just like others in this thread, they are IDENTICAL.

The only difference in out of the box is configuration of presentation (input services, themes, audio, etc) and the different configuration of resource management (more service centric vs application centric).

That's it. 2008 = Vista. Vista = 2008. 2008 has certain new encryption features and improved management options for enterprise level control. Further more 2008 brings new features natively to the scene (stuff like Gateway TS server, TS broker, native WDS).

The desktop, as you see it (as a workstation), are the same. They should perform the same. Perhaps your 2008 have newer/better/other drivers making it seem 2008 is better or faster.

[arsekicker]

It's Azureus. I was a long time Azureus user and loved it, but it's just too much of a java based resource hog. Running Windows Server 2008 w/ 3GB of memory, core 2 duo. Moved to uTorrent and not only has the OS been less laggy, but the download speeds have improved. I ran utorrent in server 2008 for a few weeks after the change, and now actuallly have setup Vista in a hyper-v and have all my downloads going there and it runs really well, allocated a gig to Vista (so I can remote in and have aero running -not through the hyper-v manager, but through an actual rdp from non-server boxes -laptop/workstation).

[python134r]

I installed Win 2008 Server Std as a second os as a dual boot.

Specs:

X3210 [email protected]/AC Freezer Pro

P5K Premium/4x1Gb GSkill F2-6400CL5-1GBNQ

8800GTX 768mb/ ASUS DRW-1814BLT DVD

2x36Gb WD Raptors Raid0/WD 80gb sata

Creative SoundBlaster X-Fi Fatality Extreme Gamer

Lian Li Pc-7B plusII/PC Power and Cooling 850 SSI Turbo

Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speaker system

I have to say it fly's. It is much more responsive than XP. This is after being properly configured. It is just like Vista with the crap turned off by default and naturally the overhead of being a server os. Took a few hours of turning off some services, enabling others so it runs as a proper desktop os.

It runs crysis better than on the xp rig and most apps if not all. Biggest issue was finding a Antivirus that works because most will not install unless purchasing a server antivirus at greater expense.

Personally I love it, unfortunately its only for 60 days.