Kushan Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 GAMEFEST 08: New version adds compute shaders for GPGPU; completely compatible with DirectX 10 hardwareMicrosoft has revealed the first details on the latest version of its DirectX SDK at the Gamefest event in Seattle. Chief new features in version 11 are the new Compute Shader technology, which allows GPUs to be used for general purpose computing; support for tesselation, allowing models to be refined and smoother up-close; and multi-threaded resource handling to help games utilise multi-processor set-ups more effectively. Rather than require new hardware as DirectX 10 did, DirectX 11 will be completely compatible with DirectX 10 and 10.1 cards - but will, like its predecessor, only support Windows Vista. Source: http://www.developmag.com/news/30218/Micro...eils-DirectX-11 Not entirely clear if it means it'll be software compatible (I.e. if you install DX11, it wont break anything, but you wont get the features of it - like previous versions of DX), or if it's actually fully compatible with current DX10 hardware. If it's the latter, I'll be a very happy bunny =D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Is it me or it look like they are working on this way just because Dx10 failed? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 erm, hasn't every previous iteration of DX been compatible with older hardware? the real question is, like previous iterations, will dx11 feature only be available to dx11 cards? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Gil Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 erm, hasn't every previous iteration of DX been compatible with older hardware? the real question is, like previous iterations, will dx11 feature only be available to dx11 cards? Read the bold part. They only upgraded features software wise, no new hardware revision is needed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted July 23, 2008 Veteran Share Posted July 23, 2008 They probably mean it'll work with current hardware. Tessellation and GPGPU (think of Stream for ATI and Cuda for Nvidia, among other tools) are already possible on current hardware, and the multi-threading is in software. Edit: And of course it'll require Vista, did people think it wouldn't? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577170 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 will dx11 feature only be available to dx11 cards?As what you can read there, there will probably even no "Dx11 card"Any Dx10 card would just become Dx11 card.... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kushan Posted July 23, 2008 Author Share Posted July 23, 2008 Now guys, don't start fighting about this, the article wasn't particularly clear about it, so lets just wait for more information from MS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577180 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason S. Global Moderator Posted July 23, 2008 Global Moderator Share Posted July 23, 2008 seems more like DX10.5 to me. i'd like to see more new features and enhancements to justify the DX11 name. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Khan Reviews Posted July 23, 2008 Reviews Share Posted July 23, 2008 This looks more like DX11 working on DX10 cards to add new features like GPGPU processing, physics, tessellation etc and more optimisations - not a bad thing at all. Also It is said DX11 is much more developer friendly. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minifig Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Sorry to be a spoil sport but is anyone else starting to think DX11 is just a rebranding of DX10 to try and make it successful? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577203 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nmesisca Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 .. more bad news for nVidia then as the current cards are not DX10 compliant this could mean no compliance with DX11 either.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Khan Reviews Posted July 23, 2008 Reviews Share Posted July 23, 2008 Sorry to be a spoil sport but is anyone else starting to think DX11 is just a rebranding of DX10 to try and make it successful? No because it's not the same API otherwise it would not have had the new features and optimisations... .. more bad news for nVidia then as the current cards are not DX10 compliant this could mean no compliance with DX11 either.. Who told you this? this is completely wrong.... and you didn't read either because the nv cards are DX10 but not DX10.1 and DX11 works on both DX10 and 10.1 cards. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I have yet to use DirectX 10 on my system yet, my gc is DirectX 10 enabled. I have yet to see a download for it either. Where can you legally get a copy? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577223 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Khan Reviews Posted July 23, 2008 Reviews Share Posted July 23, 2008 Of DX10? if you have XP you can't... if you have Vista you already have it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Dx10 is enabled in Vista if you have a Dx10 card... no need to Download anything... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EduardValencia Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Is it me or it look like they are working on this way just because Dx10 failed? Nahhh,where did you get that idea,DX 11 is the result of the constant evolution Microsoft is giving to their products,the idea is to stay way ahead the competition. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577246 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ObiWanToby Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Nahhh,where did you get that idea,DX 11 is the result of the constant evolution Microsoft is giving to their products,the idea is to stay way ahead the competition. DX10 failed because Vista "failed". I would say neither is true. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Chsoriano Subscriber² Posted July 23, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted July 23, 2008 This is cool news, so that means by brand new radeon 4870 isn't going to be left behind by DX. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Of DX10? if you have XP you can't... if you have Vista you already have it. I do have Vista Home Premium 32 bit SP1 installed and my system reports DirectX 9 only, thats why I asked. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldgunner Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 I do have Vista Home Premium 32 bit SP1 installed andmy system reports DirectX 9 only, thats why I asked. It doesn't look like its reporting the correct version, run dxdiag, that tells you the real version. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbie Khan Reviews Posted July 23, 2008 Reviews Share Posted July 23, 2008 I do have Vista Home Premium 32 bit SP1 installed andmy system reports DirectX 9 only, thats why I asked. Does it say the same as DXDIAG (run command) ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leddy Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 Nahhh,where did you get that idea,DX 11 is the result of the constant evolution Microsoft is giving to their products,the idea is to stay way ahead the competition. What competition? OpenGL? I think most games use DirectX these days, haven't played a game in OpenGL mode for... at least 8 years or so DX10 failed because Vista "failed".I would say neither is true. Hardware features usually take a while to absorb by the development industry. The typical development cycle for a game is longer than the time between Vista's release and now, which means that DX10 would've been an afterthought for the developers as they wouldn't have had a finalised SDK to play with. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 My DXDiag show DX10 . . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Chsoriano Subscriber² Posted July 23, 2008 Subscriber² Share Posted July 23, 2008 My DXDiag show DX10 . . I hope mine does too, I mean it should. My laptop does not, but it has an old Radeon 9600 which only supported DX9 so I'm assuming that's why. But I haven't checked the dxdiag for my new desktop so it better show DX 10.1 there when I check. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577344 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NienorGT Posted July 23, 2008 Share Posted July 23, 2008 What competition? OpenGL? I think most games use DirectX these days, haven't played a game in OpenGL mode for... at least 8 years or soYou never played any Doom3 based games? (Prey, ET: Quake Wars, Quake 4)Sure OpenGL isn't popular on Windows, but I'm sure you played a OpenGL game in that 8 year lol... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/650884-dx11-revealed-fully-compatible-with-dx10-hardware/#findComment-589577352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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