Do you remember when people made an effort to make good music?


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I was just zapping the TV and caught this "song" on VH1. After seeing/listening to that I bleached my eyes and drilled my eardrums.

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Thank you, music industry: For giving us high prices for low quality ****ty music, lack of support for (real) artists, DRM, and lovely (illegal) prosecutions. All for the sake of music, eh?

Remember when music was good and fun?

When producers cared about artists and music?

When producers and artists cared about their music and the people?

Remember when you could actually feel the passion?

Thank you, music industry.

**** INDUSTRY ; NEED PASSION

I agree, music is unfortunatly dead :( If i think about it, the last decent orginal song that has been released is Bubbly, but that was more than a year ago. Well Amy Winehouse is not that bad either.

But other than that, everyone is copying everyone and try to sound like the older pop bands, but mostly fail. Even The Rolling Stones suck now :x I hope the new U2 album this year is not gonna suck.

Honestly, I don't intend to shoot your statement down, but this thread is useless because good is nothing but an opinion, and what's good to one person, is absolute crap to the next. In terms of what I said, good music has never existed.

The last good band to the hit the scene in recent years for me was Linkin Park

You deserve a handshake :whistle:

Nine Inch Nails.

New Slipknot album is coming out in August too.

NiN have gone down recently if you ask me. The Slip was pretty dire, pretty much every song started off with drums-which is a pretty naff way to start a song. It all felt so e-jay, as in you could 'feel' the layers turn on and off.

I really don't see Trent beating the likes of The Fragile, The Downward Spiral or even Pretty Hate Machine.

I enjoyed Ghosts, it's really quite different to anything he's released as NiN, but it's everything I expected it to be.

we are all destined to repeat our parents, when i was a kid i used to listen to pop music, i knew every song in the chart and could buy one of those now 20 (chart hits compliations) and be happy with all the tunes on there. My parents at the time would say it's a load of crap.

Now i don't know who's what in the chart and personally don't like any of it. I am a fan of Nine Inch Nails, Weezer, Racontuers etc..

Now that's my personal preference to music, at the end of the day, music is music. It doesn't matter if it's britney spears, Mozart or Trent Reznor. It's all the same it, you may like classic, i like rock.

The one thing i really hate is when people look down on other peoples taste, which in my experience find that people who listen to classical music to be the most arrogant, who believe that because they listen to classic music they are somewhat more superior to people who listen to the radio and pop songs. Music is music.

Do you remember when people made an effort to make good music?

Yes, Radiohead, NIN, Tool are still making good solid music.

The music you are referring to is probably pop music or rap music. These types are mostly driven for the quick $$$ by the producers and artists. Once people stops buying them, we will get good music. Unfortunately this is not possible because everything else on the shelves are crap music, so people don't have much to choose from.

I try to keep up with the charts as much as possible, but it get really sore on my ears if I have to listen to Basshunter on Radio 1 at least once a day.

I like to be able to say I'll give anything a chance, my favourite bands/artists are Oasis, Prodigy, U2, Jimi Hendrix, Slipknot, BT, PvD, Sasha, Smashing Pumpkins, The Chemical Brothers, Mad Capsule Markets and Marilyn Manson to name a few. I can't really listen to a lot of rap, as there is so many variations on the one overall style (gangtsa, krunk etc) I start to get lost. It was so much simpler when it was just RnB!

But that PCD song just grates with me. No offence love, you are already grown up. Technically in Holywood, if you're famous at 12, you're already grown up.

The last good album I listened to that was new was Zeitgeist by The Smashing Pumpkins. Maybe Bullet for My Valentine's last one, Scream Aim Fire. Although, This Binary Universe by BT was gorgeous, really nice to chill out to.

I have been a NIN fan since PHM, but I have to admit that I've been disappointed with them for quite a while now. Everything since The Fragile sucked to me. Tool last two albums were complete garbage as well, and since they only produce one album a year, they're almost dead to me. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I bought a CD or downloaded a song.

I'm a music junkie.

I've found the some of the best music are from artists NOT on major record labels.

Granted it takes a little work to find great "underground" artists, but it's worth it.

Another advantage to this is also that more than often, the music is completely free.

Last.fm is a good place to start by just seaching for free tracks by whatever genre you prefer.

I personally think that mainstream radio absolutely sucks and almost never listen to it.

The only radio stations I'll tune into now and then are college radio.

I think mainstream pretty much died when Britney said bye,bye,bye.

Honestly, I don't intend to shoot your statement down, but this thread is useless because good is nothing but an opinion, and what's good to one person, is absolute crap to the next. In terms of what I said, good music has never existed.

Subjectivity is never an issue in this thread. Unless you start naming names, labeling, which I didn't...

The song I listed as an example is a good example of universal crapdom. So it's as bad as you get. Read the lyrics. Mute the video. No one gave a **** about it, with the exception of marketeers, advertisers and executive that apparently the one's doing it. This **** isn't music. This is mass autistic entertainment for some target audience that is also full of **** as well. You know something is wrong when you put target audience in front of music.

Music isn't just Mass Autistic Entertainment (no offense to autistics)

Music isn't just Money

Music is (supposed to be) Music.

*The fact is that companies and producers don't give a crap about music anymore, heck, even most artists don't give a **** either.

The M-words is also not related to subjectivity. And those M-words exist in every music genre too, Neptune.

I'm a music junkie.

I've found the some of the best music are from artists NOT on major record labels.

Granted it takes a little work to find great "underground" artists, but it's worth it.

Another advantage to this is also that more than often, the music is completely free.

Last.fm is a good place to start by just seaching for free tracks by whatever genre you prefer.

I personally think that mainstream radio absolutely sucks and almost never listen to it.

The only radio stations I'll tune into now and then are college radio.

This. 90% of mainstream music is crap and it's fine if you want to like it, but rest assured that it takes zero talent and little effort to produce it. There's not enough variety and it's all about making money. Most artists on major record labels do it for money, which imo, is not a reason to make music.

Most artists on major record labels do it for money, which imo, is not a reason to make music.

I'd love to make a one hit wonder and get maybe even 5% for life off it. Someone like Chesney Hawkes is rolling in it cos he put his voice to a cheesey song (good if you're drunk and a student though). He still tours and is booked to perform at Uni's in England! Fair play to that.

Okay, he probably wanted to forge a serious/successful career when he first ventured into music, but look at him now, still working, still releasing material, still touring/promoting and all because of a one hit wonder!

God sometimes I think my life lacks something when I think about crap like that! lol

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