100% secure OS

[Mathachew Veteran]

So i guess... there is ALWAYS going to be a need for Anti Virus software and Firewall software :|

Firewall perhaps. AV? Not necessarily. I've been running AV free since February 07 and haven't had any issues.

[-Vivicidal-]

It is possible, but to easily make a 100% secure one it would have to be very limited in functionality so as every possible input can be tested for an "unsecure" effect.

[08993]

doesn't exist, will never exist. anything created by man can be unmade by man

Even Women?

There's hope yet then, bye bye the wife!

[Cormier6083]

An OS that is 100% safe is no OS at all.

[simsie]

So i guess... there is ALWAYS going to be a need for Anti Virus software and Firewall software :|

Not necessarily. I run without antivirus, firewall (apart from the router) or anti-spyware. There are no known vulnerabilities in Vista's UAC at this time so you're pretty safe, however if there was to be one found you'd have to reconsider until they patched it. Common sense will be the most help to you.

Having said that there could be a zero day fault found in IE8 that allows code to be run elevated (above UAC) that installs a virus the antivirus doesn't know yet and you wouldn't see it coming.

[ReDwAvE]

As long as the user it not educated for computer uses there is no perfect OS for him

(running windows since 3.11 yet no security problem as long as you know what you are doing)

[markwolfe Veteran]

...

(running windows since 3.11 yet no security problem as long as you know what you are doing)

Other than anyone hitting ESC at any login screen (if one exists) and modifying any file on C: that they choose. :p

[pyther]

OpenBSD might be the most secure OS out there, but as other said no os can be 100% secure.

[bloodrain]

1. Install Linux
   
2. Disconnect network cable
   
3. Turn off computer
   
4. Encase in concrete
   
5. Bury concrete cube
   

100% secure!

(i.e. We'll never have something 100% secure, unless the robots rise up and overthrow us and start writing the OS's)

nope, dust and decay will get it. FAIL.

[MidnightDevil]

isnt BIOS firmware itself safe? :rolleyes:

[Raa]

DOS :p

[blaszta]

sudo apt-get install 100%secure

..after the installation finish, the computer refuse to talk to me and I can't use it anymore...

[Xerxes]

As others have said, no such thing as a 100% secure OS.

Linux and mac are two good options if you are concerned with viruses and trojans, stay away from any windows and you will be safe.

Of course there is no such thing as 100% secure system but microsoft products are much more targeted by hackers due to its popularity.

With the rise in popularity of the Mac that is starting to change. Macs maybe "safe" right now, but will be interesting to see if it remains the case in 10 or more years time.

[splicer707]

DOS :p

I was about to suggest that.

FreeDOS FTW.

[xcguy87]

Thats funny that people suggest to use any os besides windows, because if everyone started using those OS's then the people who make the programs will make them for that OS rather than windows.

Only reason anyone takes time to make the stuff for Windows is because its the only real major OS.

And the fact that Windows user accounts are setup as Administrative accounts by default has nothing to do with Window's insecurity?

[goatsniffer]

In the realm of quantum or biological computing I think there is a shot, but I think the solution would entail a loss of openness and freedom on the computing platform.

[goatsniffer]

And the fact that Windows user accounts are setup as Administrative accounts by default has nothing to do with Window's insecurity?

Newsflash, malicious code exploits flaws in the target OS to either get itself the privleges it needs or negate the need for privleges. This happens on all OSes. Running as a limited user only protects dumbasses who think that the PC scan in the banner ad will actually speed up their hardware.

[LiqHead]

Newsflash!!!! There is no OS that is completely secure. Kill the thread.

[zach_]

for typing credit card's and **** i got my technique, i pop in a live CD of kubuntu/ubuntu/whateverbuntu(i had linux ship them all xD) restart, do it and pop the disc out, no data left, except in live memory which fades after while.

Now I'm paranoid.

[offroadaaron]

The OS can be secure if you follow these steps.

- Install any windows (except Me like mentioned above) Linux or get a Mac.

- Never use the internet and disable all wifi or ethernet default connections

- remove all removable media drives, dvd, cd, floppy.

- install a sofware to lock the other ports USB, firewire and SD etc. (that way no one else can plugin flash drives)

- only plug in your power, keyboard, monitor, mouse & speakers.

- setup a guest account with limited control.

Done it's now secure but literally cut off from the outside world....you will be alone to play with Operating System bugs. ;)

now someone robs your house steals your computer, changes password on linux or mac, or takes the HDD and puts it in another machine, and bam! not secure and information leaked!

Thats funny that people suggest to use any os besides windows, because if everyone started using those OS's then the people who make the programs will make them for that OS rather than windows.

Only reason anyone takes time to make the stuff for Windows is because its the only real major OS.

Linux is just as bad as windows in the way of security, people just hear about windows security issues the most because its a user end OS, I have every security issue and bug fix emailed to me every day, yes there are shitloads for windows but there are freaking shitloads for *nix based OS's aswell (and i mean shitloads)

installing linux you can usually get in via single user mode (even macs) change the password and get all the informaiton you need, locally (locally hacking a machine is still a security issue, especially if something is stolen).

Edited August 28, 2008 by offroadaaron

[LiqHead]

now someone robs your house steals your computer, changes password on linux or mac, or takes the HDD and puts it in another machine, and bam! not secure and information leaked!

That is just BS... kill the thread mods (u know it will keep going). Sad. I mean come on.

[offroadaaron]

That is just BS... kill the thread mods (u know it will keep going). Sad. I mean come on.

uuuummm do you work for a company or something? do you know anything about security? why do you think laptops have that lock on them? because the company that owns it doesn't want the hardware to be stolen? NO! Because you can get the computer hardware back on insurance and reconfigure it in 2 mins and have the last backup placed on the machine (which is no problems for a company, they do it all the time for pretty much every new employee). The information is what people are trying to lock down.

why do you think back up tapes are meant to be so locked down. what about the server rooms, which have websevers and whatever else in them? why do you think businesses have locked doors with key cards and finger print scanners? so people cant get in and access computer systems, why do you think screen savers have passwords. Why do you think OS's are coming out with applications to encrypt data on the harddrives?

If your looking for a technical role in computering without that simple knowledge, good luck to you!

LiqHead if you think the internet is the only security risk then you have very little clue on security and an obsession with wanting to kill this thread ;)

P.S. Also https://www.neowin.net/news/main/08/08/27/l...lead-to-rootkit is on the front page aswell.

Second P.S. Mods don't warn me for stating LiqHead name and saying he has little clue about security, its not a personal attack ok.

Edited August 28, 2008 by offroadaaron

[WastedJoker]

There will be a 100% secure OS at some point - I suspect it'll only happen when the boundary between software and hardware is pretty much non-existent.

[offroadaaron]

There will be a 100% secure OS at some point - I suspect it'll only happen when the boundary between software and hardware is pretty much non-existent.

explain how and why? Coz i cant see any reason why there wouldn't be.

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

OK, a 100% secure OS - imagine it exists...

Then it needs network or internet access... This, by nature, implies it is being opened up in some way. Best practises could be applied to reduce risk - but there would HAVE to be a % of security lost just to allow for the access.