Third Parties Are Ditching the PSP

[ShadowMoses]

Definitely. A very close call.

Yeah...:unsure:

I guess every PS2 owner is a queer then because of barbie's horse adventure. Better go break the news to 120+ million people!

Gotta love the maturity level on Neowin sometimes (N)

Gotta love the lack of sense of humour as well :yes:

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Coldgunner, where have you been dude :p

I think you need to learn a thing or two about DS Homebrew though, everything you just listed I can do on the DS :yes: Well, except ISO's, .NDS ftw baby ;)

It's far better on the PSP though.

I'd never ditch PSP emulation/homebrew to go to DS. Emulators don't run full speed, the same amount of emulators can't be used (some require more powerful hardware, PS1 for start obviously) and widescreen for films/tv shows is superior.

DS does have a lot of homebrew but, it's just hardware power goes a long way in the world of homebrew to equal results.

[Sethos]

Gotta love the lack of sense of humour as well :yes:

Yeah, you should try harder.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

Yeah if we are talking about film quality and emulator speed, the PSP is better. That could change though if the rumours are to be believed the DS is upgrading later this year (wider screens and a second touch screen etc).

My point is, you can still do all the same stuff. Did you ditch your dvd's when you got your blu-ray player? (PS3 obv) ;)

[ShadowMoses]

Yeah, you should try harder.

Noted.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Yeah if we are talking about film quality and emulator speed, the PSP is better. That could change though if the rumours are to be believed the DS is upgrading later this year (wider screens and a second touch screen etc).

My point is, you can still do all the same stuff. Did you ditch your dvd's when you got your blu-ray player? (PS3 obv) ;)

DS emulators will get better, but things will never change substantially. It's not powerhouse hardware, which it doesn't need to be for the DS side of things, but in homebrew/emulation power is they key.

You won't be able to play PS1/N64 games or The Curse of Monkey Island on the DS :p SNES/Genesis and the likes play, but are nowhere near the PSP 95% compatibility/full speed.

No I didn't ditch my DVDs, but I buy what I can buy in HD now.

Both offer the same film, but I prefer the superior quality.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

DS emulators will get better, but things will never change substantially. It's not powerhouse hardware, which it doesn't need to be for the DS side of things, but in homebrew/emulation power is they key.

You won't be able to play PS1/N64 games or The Curse of Monkey Island on the DS :p SNES/Genesis and the likes play, but are nowhere near the PSP 95% compatibility/full speed.

No I didn't ditch my DVDs, but I buy what I can buy in HD now.

Both offer the same film, but I prefer the superior quality.

Dude, it's 2008 not 1998, wtf :laugh:

I kid I kid

[Coldgunner]

Coldgunner, where have you been dude :p

I think you need to learn a thing or two about DS Homebrew though, everything you just listed I can do on the DS :yes: Well, except ISO's, .NDS ftw baby ;)

If you're talking about a vanilla PSP, you can only load one game at a time. A vanilla DS you can load two :p

My DS homebrew was limited to the GBA movie player. The PSP has more power under the hood and it really shows when playing higher bitrate video and emulation. PSP is just far more suited to me, even when I used official firmware. The web browser is certainly superior, along with wireless connectivity. The whole PSP-PS3 interactivity is far more advanced than DS-Wii interoperability. Things like digital copy on BD's is going to rock too. there are other factors to take into consideration, I can share a lot of content between my PS3 and PSP, they are so well intwined.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Dude, it's 2008 not 1998, wtf :laugh:

I kid I kid

Monkey Island Series :wub:

I despise the gaming community/developers for abandoning good AAA adventure games. Give me a good load of them over another 15 FPS games trying to cash in due to the popularity of the FPS kings.

The likes of Grim Fandango and everything else :(

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

My DS homebrew was limited to the GBA movie player. The PSP has more power under the hood and it really shows when playing higher bitrate video and emulation. PSP is just far more suited to me, even when I used official firmware. The web browser is certainly superior, along with wireless connectivity. The whole PSP-PS3 interactivity is far more advanced than DS-Wii interoperability. Things like digital copy on BD's is going to rock too. there are other factors to take into consideration, I can share a lot of content between my PS3 and PSP, they are so well intwined.

I know, I agree :p I just said they are both capable of doing that stuff (minus the PS3 > PSP interactivity)

I disagree on the web browser though (Opera fanboy :p)

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

I don't like the PSP browser that much, it's okay and wide-screen read support makes it usable.

Seems like we're getting an update to the browser though which is good - https://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=675062

[Ricardo Gil]

Polish as in better quality games or more games?

Both have bleak lineups quantity wise, although at least you know developers are falling head over heels to make stuff for the Wii, as hundreds of Wii owners buy anything.

With hundreds of crap flying at you (Wii), the sheer number of developers making games usually = a good game being churned out eventually.

Polish means better overall quality of course. The first batch of games was partially mediocre, even Mario Party (a Nintendo Game) was unusually bad.

Even though the crapware still finds a way in, I'm starting to see a little devotion from the developers part. Even EA and Konami are doing a great job at it imo.

[ShadowMoses]

Sony Online Entertainment president John Smedley has revealed that the company is considering massively multiplayer online games for the PSP.

?I think PSP is something that we?re definitely looking at; 34 million [sold] worldwide really opens your eyes, and they?re all connected,? Smedley told me in an interview following his keynote and panel appearance about the future of MMOGs at the New York Games Conference on Friday.

?We started to get very interested in [the PSP] when we switched over from Sony Pictures to Sony Computer Entertainment back in April,? he explained. ?And as we?ve kind of got our heads up looking around the world within Sony Computer Entertainment, we?re really starting to see a big push for PSP. We think it?s a world-class device? In the future, we see full MMOs that are designed for the PSP.?

However, before full-fledged MMOs, Smedley sees integration of existing online games with the handheld device, though the company hasn?t finalized any decisions. ?Maybe one way to do it: In ?Free Realms,? you could have a pet-training system that literally connects to our online gaming where you can mess around with your pet,? he said of SOE?s younger-skewing MMO due out next year.

?Another way to do it might be to give them mini-games that they can do [on the PSP] when sitting at a bus stop,? he offered. ?You?re sitting there leveling up your character, you log in at home when you?re on wi-fi, and all of sudden your character has leveled up. We think those kinds of experiences are very possible.?

My opinion is that it?s not a sustainable format for the handheld as anyone wishing to play a MMO would have already done so on a far larger screen using their PC, giving them better controls and visuals to boot. Still, it wouldn?t be the first time that some muppet has paid for a technically inferior product for a handheld?look at The Sims franchise for example.

Good stuff.

[The Teej]

The thing is, MMO doesn't mean MMORPG. You could technically have an MMOAA (action adventure) or an MMOFPS, hell, you could even have an MMO Pet Sim if you really wanted. I don't get this mindset of "Well MMOs are better on big screen PCs", because, what seperates an MMO from a regular game? What's that? Just an internet connection? The same connection the PSP already has? The PSP proves console gaming in your hand is awesome, and even online gaming in your hand is awesome (DS proved these points too), so eventually moving to massively multiplayer online games is a natural evolution. The only reason why it's not a sustainable format is simply because the PSP will eventually go, and there's no surefire way of knowing whether the PSP 2 will play PSP games, not because the PC is amazing or whatever.

It really annoys me when people think the PC is be all and end all for MMOs (likewise for people who think MMOs are always MMORPGs). It's an archaic mindset that needs to be ditched asap.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

The general mindset of saying an "MMO on a portable device" will get some stereotyping, naturally :/

But of course, we're not talking about WoW on a PSP :p

However I'm all for it, if you don't try new things, you'll never find out what could have been.

I'm happy to see Sony trying to steam ahead with MMOs on consoles as well.

Especially seeing as The Agency at least is free to play. I can't fathom a world of every MMO charging monthly money, as I certainly won't be paying for them.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

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That's not third party though..

[ShadowMoses]

I don't think I said otherwise? I just thought it fitted in here/

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

That's not third party though..

If Sony got some good titles up and running then other developers would catch interest and imitate.

The publisher in this case, Sony, can afford to take a bigger risk here, than say a 3rd party dev coming in and trying an MMO.

Putting the concept of an MMO on a portable device is pretty unexplored ground. It could go ###### up.

I'm sure though if Capcom want to create a Monster Hunter MMO, Japan will go nuts :p

I think a decent part of getting devs back on board is down to Sony to convince them the PSP can do something that differentiates itself from the DS, or something the DS will struggle to do - Like the DS can do things the PSP can't really copy that are working well.

Maybe that's getting the PSN store on the PSP, as well as an integrated PSN friends list and churning out some MMO/Multiplayer titles, who knows? Worth a gamble though I think.

Nintendo are skimping the online side of things pretty badly this generation (ridiculous friend codes, lackluster network support, ect), that may just be the weak spot Sony, and even MS can attack to steal audiences on consoles and portables.

Edited September 29, 2008 by Audioboxer

[Ricardo Gil]

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This is exactly why the PSP is dying imo, they're pushing the wrong games.

Another way to do it might be to give them mini-games that they can do [on the PSP] when sitting at a bus stop,? he offered. ?You?re sitting there leveling up your character, you log in at home when you?re on wi-fi, and all of sudden your character has leveled up.

Oh really, that's an MMO? It seems more like "play offline and sync your profile". MMO's haven't even taken off when it comes to consoles, let alone a portable one that doesn't even have a persistent Internet connection.

They should really focus on the portable experience and how they could create games based on that, not the other way around.

[ShadowMoses]

I don't think the PSP is dying at all. Sony will be more than capable of producing first party games for it.

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

@ Shadow, I wasn't talking directly to you, I was commenting on the article.

@ AB, if and might are the big key words there. How long has the PSP been out now, and it's still not taken off with 3rd party devs? Yeah, even if this MMO comes into existance, it's not gonna do anything for it this late on. The PSP is too far on in it's life now to really change things around. They'd be better asking for more support when the PSP2 comes out and working towards making that a success imo.

[ShadowMoses]

@ Shadow, I wasn't talking directly to you, I was commenting on the article.

@ AB, if and might are the big key words there. How long has the PSP been out now, and it's still not taken off with 3rd party devs? Yeah, even if this MMO comes into existance, it's not gonna do anything for it this late on. The PSP is too far on in it's life now to really change things around. They'd be better asking for more support when the PSP2 comes out and working towards making that a success imo.

I don't think the article was aimed at the 3rd party developers leaving, was it?

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

I don't think there is many left to leave :laugh:

But yeah, my point is that article doesn't fit with this topic. It's got nothing to do with 3rd parties at all.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

I don't think things are ever to late, especially not in the portable market while where there is competition, it's not really anything as fierce as the home console market.

Portable devices for a start probably all kick off selling at a profit, or at least will probably not make the losses in line with what consoles do.

It's a more relaxed market, two competitors both holding good audience bases and offering different enough experiences to justify owning both - More so than owning a 360 and PS3 IMO (both of which offer more alike than they do uniquely).

The issue Sony have isn't that the platform is dying or slowing down as such, they're just need a kick up the arse in the software department. More encouragement/support from Sony to 3rd party developers on the PSP is needed (Y)

A potential trojan will also be PS3 install base increasing which it is going to - The tie in between PSP-PS3 is far better than that of the DS-Wii. The PS3 isn't going anywhere soon, so that's a thought to keep in mind.

You get the PSN store on the PSP, coupled with a unified PSN list (not remote play, direct integration) and you bolster up the online side of things in terms of software, and that may be an area of market the DS won't be as fruitful in.

But yeah, my point is that article doesn't fit with this topic. It's got nothing to do with 3rd parties at all.

No not directly, but I think I wrote a fairly insightful comment on how Sony approaching something new on the device, can easily spark off interest from 3rd parties, those not willing to take the initial big risk.

Edited September 29, 2008 by Audioboxer

[Ricardo Gil]

I don't think the PSP is dying at all. Sony will be more than capable of producing first party games for it.

Honestly, what does that have to do with anything?

You think Sony pumping out 3 games a year is going to save it? They need good 3rd party support, they need creativity and most of all they need to focus the PSP as a gaming platform 'cause it still suffers from the same identity crisis the PS3 had/has.