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notuptome2004

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Whats the best app\program to defrag vista?

I read recently in a guide that defrag not only help speed up programs but pc games too.

I really need to know this soon, thx.

i recommend http://www.defraggler.com/

It differs from other defrag tools on the market, by enabling you to quickly and simply defrag the files you want to, without having to process the whole drive. Simply run it, select the file and defragment in seconds. No more struggling with the Windows defragmentation tool!

And remember like all Piriform products, Defraggler is completely free for both corporate and individual use.

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PermaSt0ne

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if you are the average computer user then the built in one is just fine

personally i use JKDefragGUI (there is a non-gui version, but i like the extra options the GUI version offers) since i'm constantly dealing with lots of files anywhere from 1MB to 2GB as well as installing / uninstalling programs all the time

open source = free ftw, unlike most of the suggestions you'll get :)

FYI neowin has an official "what's the best defragger" thread over here. you should run a search next time

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morphen

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This may sound dumb of me, but what's wrong with the Defragmenter in the actual OS? :s

Same here, and since defrag is run automatically trough scheduling, why acually install something else? :p

Someone who knows what's make one defragger better than another?

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PermaSt0ne

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Same here, and since defrag is run automatically trough scheduling, why actually install something else? :p

Someone who knows what's make one defragger better than another?

some have the option to arrange the files to follow your bootup process so your computer boots faster. others offer the option to sort the files by name, by last used, most frequently accessed, by size, etc.

it's all about the options; of which vista offers none

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LiqHead

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some have the option to arrange the files to follow your bootup process so your computer boots faster. others offer the option to sort the files by name, by last used, most frequently accessed, by size, etc.

it's all about the options; of which vista offers none

Oh BS. Vistas defrag offers plenty. Quit with the FUD.

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phot0nic

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Everyone (your guide included) really exaggerates the amount of performance gain you get by defragmenting. With FAT32 and older versions of NTFS, it could be significant. These days, most of the "boost" you'll feel is simply a placebo effect. Stick with the built-in defragmenter, because anything else is just more work than it's worth.

Edit: Plus, with Vista, the defragmenter runs automatically on a schedule. Go and check the history for your defragmenter task. If it's run before, and seems to run well according to the set schedule, there's absolutely no reason to worry about defragmenting.

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TGT

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If all you’re looking for is application/game disk optimization, then really, the built in OS defragged will do you just fine. Defragging just clusters data on the disk so that the head from the Hard Drive doesn’t have to jump all around to sequentially read data.

Also, remember that other factors exist too in regards to system performance, such as:

A) filesystem - NTFS, like other post FAT filesystems are heavily optimized for data access and storage

B) data and memory caching techniques - More RAM means more data from the harddrve is allocated into RAM for access by the CPU (If it's already in RAM why access the HD?)

C) hard drive technologies - Common today are 7200 and 10,000 RPM SATA drives with 32 MB on cache!

Most advanced optimizations that other defraggers claim to do will hardly be noticeable in comparison to all the other advances listed above. Things have come a long way in the past 10 years :p

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bjoswald

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According to the good folks at Maximum PC, there isn't a "best" defragmenter for Vista. They ran a benchmark of several defrag programs -- some pay-for, others free -- and determined that the default is just fine. I'll fetch a link if you're too lazy to Google for it.

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123dva

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Whats the best app\program to defrag vista?

I read recently in a guide that defrag not only help speed up programs but pc games too.

I really need to know this soon, thx.

Diskeeper08 in my opinion works great on Vista. (Fast in auto mode, has a nice graphic interface among other features)

Defragmenting helps prevent slowdowns caused due to fragmentation and improves data access speed. Its definitely good practice to defrag re regularly.

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kilimanjaro

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I read recently in a guide that defrag not only help speed up programs but pc games too.

You would need a specialized defragger that shuffles/sequences files on the drive for faster access. From what I understand the degree of 'boost' is rather unpredictable and there would be a trade-off between speeding up boot-files, games etc.

FWIW, I use Diskeeper '08 pro on Vista, and it works very well. It has no file sequencing option so it does not move the most frequently used (or specified) files around to speed up access. I believe the ProPremier version has that feature though.

I am happy as long as the files themselves are defragmented quickly and efficiently, and less concerned with file sequencing.

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jjrambo

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To simplify this. Vista defrager is really slow, it takes hours and hours to finish it. Not sure to what degree is good, and nobody knows it but Microsoft Engineers. Heck, maybe it's not doing anything :laugh:

If you delete all your system restore points, defragmentation will go quicker. Thing is Windows File System sucks so badly...and people are so brain washed thinking that is good...it's ****ing UNBELIVABLE it goes beyond COMEDY.

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DeaconFrost88

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The rule of thumb with Vista is to leave it alone. The built-in defragger works perfectly fine as is, set to auto. You can't look at Vista like any other version of Windows, because we finally have an OS that tunes and maintains itself, with very little input from the user.

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jjrambo

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The rule of thumb with Vista is to leave it alone. The built-in defragger works perfectly fine as is, set to auto. You can't look at Vista like any other version of Windows, because we finally have an OS that tunes and maintains itself, with very little input from the user.

It doesn't tune itself at all, it acts same as Windows XP.

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It doesn't tune itself at all, it acts same as Windows XP.

Untrue. It can auto-defrag, auto-adjust the pagefile, auto-set the app cache, and many other features.

Running defrag once from the command line with the options "-c -w" will totally defrag the drive including large files. It will take a while, but the autodefrag will run faster then.

some have the option to arrange the files to follow your bootup process so your computer boots faster. others offer the option to sort the files by name, by last used, most frequently accessed, by size, etc.

it's all about the options; of which vista offers none

The built-in defrag uses the layout.inf files from the OS to assist in arranging files so they load faster. It's the only thing JkDefrag doesn't do yet. :)

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phot0nic

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To simplify this. Vista defrager is really slow, it takes hours and hours to finish it. Not sure to what degree is good, and nobody knows it but Microsoft Engineers. Heck, maybe it's not doing anything :laugh:

If you delete all your system restore points, defragmentation will go quicker. Thing is Windows File System sucks so badly...and people are so brain washed thinking that is good...it's ****ing UNBELIVABLE it goes beyond COMEDY.

Ordinarily, I wouldn't respond to you because you're an obvious troll. But, for the sake of the OP (and anyone else seeking advise), I'd like to point out that you have no idea what you're talking about.

For starters, the defrag tool built into Vista is not meant to be run manually, and there is no reason to. This isn't Windows 2000. As mentioned earlier, the OS tunes itself, and you're mistakenly running these manual processes out of habit. Running it manually will cause it to perform multiple defrag runs, taking a long time. The auto defrag that runs on a schedule, and is all any user needs, is actually really fast.

Secondly, the Windows file system sucks? How so? I'm pretty sure you've just pulled this out of thin air. It's certainly not the fastest, but it is a great balance between performance and reliability. I'd like to know what you think is a better file system.

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I say use the default Vista one. It works nicely as it doesn't force everything into any paticular pattern (matching reds and blues and greens. Umm what? LOL ) It does take longer but the point that you shouldn't need to sit there watching it. The OS will organize itself over a period of time where it needs less and less defrags because certain files never move so it will just fix the new ones. Some defraggers mix in old with new just because!

It's like fixing up a room of boxes and you get 2 more boxes so you pull the whole thing down to fit those 2 boxes in instead of just finding a nice place for the 2 boxes in the already "perfect" room.

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mujjuman

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I actually dont defrag, but I recommend the built-in one.

Recently I was checking my Task Manager and I saw that the computer was defragging itself without me telling it to, lol. So maybe I'm defragged all the time?

I just opened Vista defrag for the first time right now just to see what its about... there arent any options, besides turning Automatic Defrag on/off.

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