[Cancelled] Heroes Season 4 (Volume 5 : Redemption)

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

Ahh, I don't want to read this thread just yet.. I am waiting to watch the episodes this weekend sometime. Another show I missed :p

[BetaAddict]

Do you mean in the last episode mate? I think he made Claire call up her West so Peter could take his flying ability in memory of Nathan or whatever.

Yep, this was the ending scene where Peter and Claire are on the rooftop, and Peter asks for a "weird favor."

[+Warwagon MVC]

Season 1 was so epic.

I mean do you remember the feeling the first time you saw future Hiro on the subway, and having it say "To be continued". Or the first time you learned that Nathan could fly!? Or when you saw the words "End of Volume 1" and then the words "Volume 2"!! It doesn't get more awesome than that!

But now :(

[Bobster]

Season 1 was so epic.

I mean do you remember the feeling the first time you saw future Hiro on the subway, and having it say "To be continued". Or the first time you learned that Nathan could fly!? Or when you saw the words "End of Volume 1" and then the words "Volume 2"!! It doesn't get more awesome than that!

But now :(

Yeah I remember those days. I just bought Season 1 on Blu-ray just to relive how awesome it was. The best episode ever was the "Five Years Gone" one, that was just EPIC.

[Rappy Veteran]

There appears to be something to that effect because Peter started flying without having acquired the power again. I know, was totally random.

yep as Bobster said he met West because he and Claire are Facebook friends :p

as for Sylar vs Peter....scrap that its Samuel vs Sylar is where its at now! :D

[Mathachew Veteran]

It's kind of a big assumption that we're forced to accept. Claire stated West goes to NYU, so he would be in relatively close proximity, but the timing of everything just didn't fit well because he and Claire were on the roof of a building, then the next time we see Peter he's on the same roof and he can fly. Initially it seems out of place, but the saving grace for this situation is that Peter isn't wearing the same clothes, so there really was no issue except the timing.

[Rappy Veteran]

4.17 "Art of Deception"

HRG sets his plan to neutralise the Carnival in motion. Seeking to understand his desire to love, Sylar makes a visit to Matt. Peter warns Emma of Samuel's intentions.

[PreKe]

Dear writers, please remove season 3-4 or so from our memories and return to the storyline that would lead up to kickass Future-Ninja-Hiro.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Not sure why so many people are so stuck on Future Hiro, the future he came from has been avoided and does not exist, therefor he doesn't exist.

[bob_c_b]

Not sure why so many people are so stuck on Future Hiro, the future he came from has been avoided and does not exist, therefor he doesn't exist.

Because this show has slid down every week since those episodes? I hang in hoping for a return to greatness, morbid curiosity, etc... Now I just hope it ends in some quality fashion, and soon.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Because this show has slid down every week since those episodes? I hang in hoping for a return to greatness, morbid curiosity, etc... Now I just hope it ends in some quality fashion, and soon.

Hey, I'm right there with you, but bringing in a character from a future that doesn't exist...? That's grasping at straws

[Hurmoth]

Not sure why so many people are so stuck on Future Hiro, the future he came from has been avoided and does not exist, therefor he doesn't exist.

And that right there goes against the Grandfather paradox. This is ultimately when the show went down hill. There is absolutely no way to go back in time to change the course of history. By doing so, you alter the reason you went back in time to begin with, therefore he never would have gone to the past in the first place. This is what ****es me off about time travel in film/tv shows. They always screw something up like this. One of the reasons why I actually have enjoyed the way Lost has done it is because they can't change the past. Whatever Happened, Happened. Normally I hate time travel and this is a prime example why.

For them to keep from having a paradox, they MUST write the show where that Hiro still exists and still travels back in time. Remember when "Bad Locke" gets Alpert to tell John he must die to get everyone back on the island. He did so because he needed to end up in that situation, telling Alpert to tell John he had to die. Had that not happened, 'Bad Locke" would never have been able to tell Alpert to tell John he had to die. That avoids a paradox.

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

And that right there goes against the Grandfather paradox. This is ultimately when the show went down hill. There is absolutely no way to go back in time to change the course of history. By doing so, you alter the reason you went back in time to begin with, therefore he never would have gone to the past in the first place. This is what ****es me off about time travel in film/tv shows. They always screw something up like this. One of the reasons why I actually have enjoyed the way Lost has done it is because they can't change the past. Whatever Happened, Happened. Normally I hate time travel and this is a prime example why.

For them to keep from having a paradox, they MUST write the show where that Hiro still exists and still travels back in time. Remember when "Bad Locke" gets Alpert to tell John he must die to get everyone back on the island. He did so because he needed to end up in that situation, telling Alpert to tell John he had to die. Had that not happened, 'Bad Locke" would never have been able to tell Alpert to tell John he had to die. That avoids a paradox.

Exactly what I was going to put and use an Lost example. It's the classic grandfather paradox

[[DGS]]

And that right there goes against the Grandfather paradox. This is ultimately when the show went down hill. There is absolutely no way to go back in time to change the course of history. By doing so, you alter the reason you went back in time to begin with, therefore he never would have gone to the past in the first place. This is what ****es me off about time travel in film/tv shows. They always screw something up like this. One of the reasons why I actually have enjoyed the way Lost has done it is because they can't change the past. Whatever Happened, Happened. Normally I hate time travel and this is a prime example why.

For them to keep from having a paradox, they MUST write the show where that Hiro still exists and still travels back in time. Remember when "Bad Locke" gets Alpert to tell John he must die to get everyone back on the island. He did so because he needed to end up in that situation, telling Alpert to tell John he had to die. Had that not happened, 'Bad Locke" would never have been able to tell Alpert to tell John he had to die. That avoids a paradox.

Doc explains it in the BTTF movies :D :D :D

[Rappy Veteran]

No decision has been made on a Heroes renewal, but NBC prez Angela Bromstad says she’s pleased with the show’s ratings performance at 8 and series creator Tim Kring is “pitching out his view of the next season.”

[draklin]

Hey, I'm right there with you, but bringing in a character from a future that doesn't exist...? That's grasping at straws

But they don't have to bring the future Hiro back. Hiro knows about future Hiro so he knows he is capable of becoming him. All they have to do is show Hiro becoming that guy. He doesn't have to be the exact same guy. Basically he just needs to stop being wasted and be bad ass. I think the writers were too scared of his power and tried to respond to the critic's complaints that he is too powerful. Same with Peter I think.

[Rappy Veteran]

[PreKe]

Not sure why so many people are so stuck on Future Hiro, the future he came from has been avoided and does not exist, therefor he doesn't exist.

I want him to exist. I want to forget about the last few seasons. I don't remember when it screwed up, but I want it to go back to what it was before that. I know it won't happen, but one can still do a bit of wishful thinking...

The future Hiro thing gave me a sort of Terminator-like vibe. In a good way. They could have shown the future with badass Hiro kicking ass, and made the story follow both present and future or something like that.

[Wannes]

So last week was episode 13/14 and tonight 15 or am I mistaken?

[Rappy Veteran]

So last week was episode 13/14 and tonight 15 or am I mistaken?

Heroes wiki classes it at 4.14

[Rappy Veteran]

Ausiello from EW got a chance to speak with Heroes cast members Robert Knepper (Samuel), James Kyson Lee (Ando) and Jack Coleman (HRG) at the recent TCA press tour.

Each one of them had some interesting tidbits including saying that the Season 4 finale is not really a series ending episode, but could be the last episode for Samuel. Also, Lee hinted at a possible new generation of Heroes.

Would you like the show to reboot with a whole new cast!? This could be one way for the show to save money and stay on for Season 5.

[Rob2687]

Did I just see Roxanne Dawson (B'Elanna Torres) in the credits?

[SuperJediMedia]

Peter need to stay on, otherwise NO good.

He is the New Leader Lydia was referring to?

[Rob2687]

Nice plan there Pete but there's more than one Cello in this world. :pinch:

[Rappy Veteran]

good episode (Y)

saw a new side to Lydias ability as well!