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So I'm building a beast again. this time i7. This time around though, I'm not going make the same mistake and shell out $1000+ for a CPU that will be obsolete in 6-10 months and performance gain is like 5-10%. So I went with i7 940.

Here's what I wanted to ask. i7 platform has a lot of bugs and compatibility issues among manufacturers, so I'm trying to lessen my pain with picking up components that work. So those of you who made the builds and have it rock solid with no problems, please feel free to jump in with advices.

What I'm getting:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115201

  • Intel Core i7 940 Nehalem 2.93GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601940 - Retail
  • ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (I really didn't see the point of Deluxe)
  • 12gb of ram - 2x OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail
  • 2x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM
  • Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb
  • 2x EVGA GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
  • Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
  • SILVERSTONE ST1000 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
  • LG Black LG Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD?R DVD Burner SATA Model GGC-H20L

Should I expect some problems with incompatibilties with the P6T and OCZ or anything here really?

I don't think I should but I'd like to hear from you guys who already built it and probably had a few quirks here and there.

Thanks.

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I personally think the 940 is way to much money for a processor, especially in light of the revelation of a previous chip splurge.

However, if price isn't a real concern, your build looks healthy and mean to me! PSU may be overkill, but it does leave options open for triple SLI if you care to providing the PSU and Mobo support it.

So I'm building a beast again. this time i7. This time around though, I'm not going make the same mistake and shell out $1000+ for a CPU that will be obsolete in 6-10 months and performance gain is like 5-10%. So I went with i7 940.

Here's what I wanted to ask. i7 platform has a lot of bugs and compatibility issues among manufacturers, so I'm trying to lessen my pain with picking up components that work. So those of you who made the builds and have it rock solid with no problems, please feel free to jump in with advices.

What I'm getting:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115201

  • Intel Core i7 940 Nehalem 2.93GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80601940 - Retail
  • ASUS P6T LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (I really didn't see the point of Deluxe)
  • 12gb of ram - 2x OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail
  • 2x Western Digital VelociRaptor WD3000HLFS 300GB 10000 RPM
  • Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb
  • 2x EVGA GeForce GTX 275 896MB 448-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16
  • Antec Nine Hundred Two Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
  • SILVERSTONE ST1000 1000W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Modular Active PFC Power Supply
  • LG Black LG Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD?R DVD Burner SATA Model GGC-H20L

Should I expect some problems with incompatibilties with the P6T and OCZ or anything here really?

I don't think I should but I'd like to hear from you guys who already built it and probably had a few quirks here and there.

Thanks.

Take a look at NCIX, they are a Canadian company but have a US web store...and they price match...here is the URL:

http://www.ncixus.com/

Also, get rid of the following:

LG Black LG Blu-ray/HD DVD-ROM & 16X DVD?R DVD Burner SATA Model GGC-H20L

And get either the:

LG BH08-LS20 Black BLU-RAY Writer 8X BD-R 16X DVD-R SATA Lightscribe Internal Drive

or

LG CH08-LS10 Black BLU-RAY 8X Reader & 16X DVD Writer Combo Internal SATA Lightscribe

And, as for your question "Should I expect some problems with incompatibilties with the P6T and OCZ or anything here really?"; check out ASUS' support site.

Let me tell you. I have 8GB, excuse me, had 8GB in my server system. I do a LOT of virtualization on that machine and I really didn't utilize a full 8GB. I chose instead to go to 4GB and put the other 4GB into a new workload machine. You will 'never' see the benefit of that much memory in the life of that system. Using 6 DIMMS is going to make OCing more difficult as there will be more stress on the FSB, and your OC will only be as good as the weakest DIMM.

Another thing. I have two of those seagate 1.5TB drives. They are good drives; real fast. The downside is that there are a lot of failues in that product line. The firmware isses that cause RAID issues have been worked out if you get drives with the new firmware, but the drives still carry a high failure rate. I recomend the Western Digital equivalent if you need that much storage. Two of them in RAID0 net me about 150MB/s, with just one of them clocking in at 130MB/s. I can't trust them with critical data tho because of the line's track record.

And where is the SSD? I know you have the Velociraptors, but they still have disk latency. If you've ever seens a pair of SSDs in RAID0 you won't think Velociraptors are so quick anymore.

I agree with the other poster that said the PSU was overkill. Go for cooling, efficiency, and amperage on the rails in a PSU, as 800w should be enough even for the multiple cards. My server draws a paultry 110w under load with all it's modern components, and my OCed gaming rig about 350w with the Radeon HD 3450.

I'm not going make the same mistake and shell out $1000+ for a CPU that will be obsolete in 6-10 months and performance gain is like 5-10%. So I went with i7 940.

Lol, the i7 920 isn't that much faster generally than the QX9770. I'd ditch the 940, and get a 920 and do what I did and overclock it to 4Ghz. The speed is killer and you'll save some much needed pennies for SSD drives and other goodies.

Guys I don't want to sound like an creep but I really didn't ask about advices about ram size. You most likely don't use things as I do. I understand. It's not an overkill when you use 3ds max or photoshop or after effects with hundreds of layers or models. It makes a difference.

What I did ask for though is compatibility issues on i7 platform. Makes sense. I know most mobos had issues with rams and stuff.

I'm asking about that. Thanks.

That is a lot of ram! Sorry to nitpick...

Consider their 'that's overkill' statements as moneysaving opportunities, people are right to say hey now, 12gb is overkill. You need to understand that some of us are professionals and do know what we're talking about. We're here to help yah =)

Speaking from my professional experience, you are most likely wasting your money on the extra 6gb of ram. Put your money somewhere else and get more out of your machine.

Softimage 7.5 suggests 4gb+, Softimage 7.0 would be approx 2gb+ (most of our animators were using 2-4gb)

Maya 2009 2gb ram

3dS Max 1 GB RAM (4 GB recommended) and that's in the 2010 version.

So yes, based on those -facts- you might be overdoing it. Now based on the last animation studio i worked at 12gb would BE overkill, 4gb would be nice, and 6gb would be a dream. Most of the modelers had 4gb.

Spend smart. :)

You guys really don't know what Boz does with his computers. 12GB of RAM for him is highly justified considering the toolset he uses. This isn't some kid with daddies money looking to buy a Gaming machine he is using professional applications with thousands of objects and he uses up RAM like christmas candy.

Now on to the System itself:

One thing I noticed is to use SLI on that motherboard you need to use the two top PCIe x16 links but if you do so the top card may overheat unless you have a monsoon cooler inside your case (And I'm not kidding your going to need one of those cases with 4 fans on the door pointing at the Motherboard to cool cards like that). If you move your 2nd card down to the bottom PCIe x16 link (Which you could do if you have another SLI connector for example from your old 680i) then you wont be able to use the USB / Firewire or even turn the computer on as it will block the front panel headers.

If you ever intend to go Tri-SLI with this (Not suggesting you are) you obviously will have the same problem of not being able to turn the Computer on by the switch on the case.

The SP/DIF out on the Motherboard will be blocked by the 3nd card if you go Tri-SLI and it will be blocked by the 2nd card if you spread the two cards out for Thermal reasons. Which would mean you wouldn't be able to get audio out over HDMI on any of your Graphics cards.

Apart from these compatibility issues with certain configurations of the hardware you've picked the rest looks good. I personally have that Bluray drive it's very good. Re: RAM May I suggest dropping down to 1333MHz as when using so much (12GB) coupled with Triple Channel you really wont see any benefit from 1333 to 1600. We are talking 1 second differences in unpacking a 3GB rar file, 0.4FPS difference in games. Practically non-existent differences and I'm sure your system BUS would benefit from the lower strain and lower heat.

I noticed you didn't include a CPU cooler if your going with water then disregard this paragraph but if you plan to go with Air may I suggest the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme for LGA 1366 - It cools my Core i7 940 to around 29-30c idle and 48-50c at load on all Cores @ Stock speeds with Intels built in Single-Multiplier Overclocking system turned on.

I'm surprised you've decided to build an i7 computer after your post in that thread the other day.

You guys really don't know what Boz does with his computers. 12GB of RAM for him is highly justified considering the toolset he uses. This isn't some kid with daddies money looking to buy a Gaming machine he is using professional applications with thousands of objects and he uses up RAM like christmas candy.

Now on to the System itself:

One thing I noticed is to use SLI on that motherboard you need to use the two top PCIe x16 links but if you do so the top card may overheat unless you have a monsoon cooler inside your case (And I'm not kidding your going to need one of those cases with 4 fans on the door pointing at the Motherboard to cool cards like that). If you move your 2nd card down to the bottom PCIe x16 link (Which you could do if you have another SLI connector for example from your old 680i) then you wont be able to use the USB / Firewire or even turn the computer on as it will block the front panel headers.

If you ever intend to go Tri-SLI with this (Not suggesting you are) you obviously will have the same problem of not being able to turn the Computer on by the switch on the case.

The SP/DIF out on the Motherboard will be blocked by the 3nd card if you go Tri-SLI and it will be blocked by the 2nd card if you spread the two cards out for Thermal reasons. Which would mean you wouldn't be able to get audio out over HDMI on any of your Graphics cards.

Apart from these compatibility issues with certain configurations of the hardware you've picked the rest looks good. I personally have that Bluray drive it's very good. Re: RAM May I suggest dropping down to 1333MHz as when using so much (12GB) coupled with Triple Channel you really wont see any benefit from 1333 to 1600. We are talking 1 second differences in unpacking a 3GB rar file, 0.4FPS difference in games. Practically non-existent differences and I'm sure your system BUS would benefit from the lower strain and lower heat.

I noticed you didn't include a CPU cooler if your going with water then disregard this paragraph but if you plan to go with Air may I suggest the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme for LGA 1366 - It cools my Core i7 940 to around 29-30c idle and 48-50c at load on all Cores @ Stock speeds with Intels built in Single-Multiplier Overclocking system turned on.

I'm surprised you've decided to build an i7 computer after your post in that thread the other day.

Thanks Vice.

I need to give a bit more info now that you posted some good things.

I am using Cooler Master V8 as a cooler. I forgot to add it up there.

I have picked up Antec 1200 case just in case Nine Hundred II is too small cause it will definitely get cramped. I wanted a smaller case but it might prove to be too small.

You are right about everything you say. I usually don't even run SLI but I use 2 powerful GPUs because I have tons of pixels to draw out 30" and 2 24" displays and I've noticed that my older cards do show some strain with these high resolutions when you work. I do believe that new drivers for Nvidia allow SLI even with multiple monitors so that will definitely be a good thing.

I don't really game either. I mean I did and ocassionally I do, but I do mostly on consoles now, so I might sometimes fireup Modern Warfare 2 when it comes out or World at War but that's it. I don't really play games on it. No plans for tri-SLI either. No need really.

You are right about RAM. I don't think some enthusiasts here understand how I use my machine. When you run Illustrator, Dreamweaver, Photoshop with a few PSDs open that have a lot of layers, run Bridge, and 3ds max during my workday, all this takes a huge toll on ram on a 64bit system. For regular gamers and amateurs even 4gb is fine but apps are sucking up more and more juice these days. Especially the ones I use. My Mac Pro has 10gb of ram and I'm definitely utilizing it to the fullest and that's without 3ds max running.

That Blu-ray drive is really a no brainer for me cause i have a big selection of HD DVDs too so having a backup drives in my computers definitely makes me feel better if I have to rip it or watch and ocassional movie while in office. I don't really have the need for expensive Blu-ray burners to begin with.

I agree with you completely about 1333mhz ram. I want my machine to be stable. That's why I buy a bit faster capable RAM and then run it at normal. It allows me to overclock if I want to sell for those who want the max performance and don't have need as I do later, but for now that's what I'm going to do.

My concern was mainly about compatibility with ASUS P6T and OCZ ram and GPUs. I'm not sure if they really polished those problematic BIOSes and compatibilities that plagued i7 platform when it came out. I'm not sure if it's gonna cause problems if you max out RAM slots too.

As for recommending Q9650. I definitely don't fall in the category that member did. His needs were not as extensive and was really for something that was more price concious. That's why I recommended he could go with 775 platform and Q9650 cause he could save money, get a better GPU and have an overall great performer on the cheap.

I'm a different breed. I love building computers and always want best stuff. I pretty much buy new stuff each year (my old computer was almost 2 years cause i bought a Mac Pro in the meantime). But now, I'm not that impressed with Mac, I will still use it for iPhone dev and some other stuff but I want my PC to be again my main workstation and I needed the fastest possible for logical amount of money. i7 extreme is really way too expensive and I actually wanted to build a dual quad Xeons Nehalem at 2.8ghz (for 8 core machine) but those are priced even more insanely. $1250 per processor plus $400-$500 for mobo and ECC DDR3 ram. I don't remember computers being this expensive as Nehalem platform. Even when I built dual Xeons 3.6ghz a long while back that were top of the line I didn't pay this much.

Self built Xeons Nehalem with the good components comes to like $4500+. That's just crazy. So i decided to go with i7 considering that even After Effects, Photoshop CS4, 3ds max and others don't really fully utilize 8 cores. They work great with 4 cores. So I really didn't regret going with i7 price wise.

That's about it.

You shouldn't have any issues with that Mobo + RAM configuration. Should run really nicely :)

The one thing I will say about that RAM is it runs very high on voltages 1.65v is really pushing it on an i7 it could degrade the processor over time (like 6 months to a year) and eventually break your computer. I would suggest going with some lower voltage memory 1.5-1.6v max

You shouldn't have any issues with that Mobo + RAM configuration. Should run really nicely :)

The one thing I will say about that RAM is it runs very high on voltages 1.65v is really pushing it on an i7 it could degrade the processor over time (like 6 months to a year) and eventually break your computer. I would suggest going with some lower voltage memory 1.5-1.6v max

1.65 Volts is fine, but no higher and that's straight from the horses mouth.

What are the Intel? Core? i7 desktop processors DDR3 memory voltage limitations?

Intel recommends using memory that adheres to the Jedec memory specification for DDR3 memory which is 1.5 volts. The Intel? Core? i7 processors should not be used with DDR3 memory that is rated for voltage over 1.65 volts. Anything over this voltage can either damage the processor or significantly reduce the processor life span.

Incidentally I have the Asus P6T with a 965(ES) @ 4Ghz and the system is incredibly stable, the voltage on my 6Gb tri-channel Corsair memory is @ 1.65.

When you get a spare couple of minutes, have a read of this.

I couldn't find it at first ;)

Also the maximum they recommend is always going to be lower than the actual maximum.

Oh and Intel actually certify ram @ 1.65 Volts for use with i7.

So while caution is usually a good thing, I think it's going a bit far to worry people when Intel certify kit at those voltages :)

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I have picked up Antec 1200 case just in case Nine Hundred II is too small cause it will definitely get cramped. I wanted a smaller case but it might prove to be too small.

For a case, I'd go with the Cooler Master HAF 932, lots of fans...and can be used with water cooling as well.

I'm still not buying the argument that you need 12GB of RAM despite what you'd like us to believe. Please post screenshots of Task Manager on your current machine, showing the Processes tab, under what you'd consider (for you) to be normal and heavy loads. Include the "Memory Usage" and "Peak Memory Usage" columns (XP), or "Memory - Working Set" and "Memory - Peak Working Set" (Win7) -- I don't recall what the equivalent are called on Vista, if that's what you're using.

You may very well need it, but until you can provide the figures to back your claims, I'm taking this with a large grain of salt.

@boz

if you have considered those rams

be warned they wont work correctly with just pushing vDimm to 1.65v

it required me to push also QPI voltage to about 1.35v ,for it to run in it spec. otherwise it wont be good stability wise , it will hang/crush your pc

I'm still not buying the argument that you need 12GB of RAM despite what you'd like us to believe. Please post screenshots of Task Manager on your current machine, showing the Processes tab, under what you'd consider (for you) to be normal and heavy loads. Include the "Memory Usage" and "Peak Memory Usage" columns (XP), or "Memory - Working Set" and "Memory - Peak Working Set" (Win7) -- I don't recall what the equivalent are called on Vista, if that's what you're using.

You may very well need it, but until you can provide the figures to back your claims, I'm taking this with a large grain of salt.

Why does he need to justify himself to you or anyone else, Are you the RAM Police?

May I suggest an after-market heat-sink as well, so you can overclock it better unleashing its full full potential. Because stock heat-sink/fan sucks. I'm averaging around 43 degrees C in winter (Australian winter, so no snow outside :(). While rest of the system is at 30 degrees C (using an Antec 900 Two).

Can I attempt to convince you to use WD instead of Seagate? I've had bad experiences with them, same as my friends. Especially if you're using 1.5TB :|.

Just a thought. Rest looks fine. I'll leave the RAM debate to others.

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However, if you need to access the NAND Flash card or CMOS battery, then eight more screws (four on each side) need to be removed in order to take off the rear panel with the 120mm fan, and then the motherboard can be lifted off and removed from the SATA connector PCB. There's also no risk of threading the screw holes, because the four that hold the shell in place are metal on metal, while the screws that hold the rear panel on do screw into plastic. Either way, like last time when I reviewed the F4-425 plus, I was just happier to see larger screws being used. Overall, it follows some great improvements in build quality from the 2024 series and earlier. Setup BIOS The F4-425 Pro includes an Aptio BIOS from American Megatrends [1, 2], and you can setup pretty much everything here including the boot order, which is locked to the UEFI OS, however above that choice you can enable or disable booting to the USB bootloader so this would still allow you to switch to a USB stick with an alternative bootloader and boot from it, or disable it to instead always start from the first disk with an OS installed on it. Initial Setup Setup is roughly the same as the F4-425 Plus, along with the new TOS 7 setup dialogs, so there will be no surprises here. Upon connecting to the LAN and booting up, the F4-425 Pro can be reached by navigating to http://tnas.local. If that doesn't work, you can use the local address assigned via DHCP, which you can find using the TNAS PC desktop application, which is essentially a TerraMaster NAS finder. The setup process is pretty straightforward, through a wizard, and in full below: TOS 7 Initialization As you can see, TOS 7 received a new coat of paint, and the initialization requires fewer interactions. Happily, TOS no longer decides to throw all disks into the same Storage Pool; 2.5-inch HDDs are allocated into Storage Pool 1. This is because two of the HDDs are allocated to hold system files. Previously (with TOS 5 and 6), if you pre-installed HDDs and SSDs, they were all placed into Storage Pool 1, even if you did not select the SSDs for inclusion during the onboarding. TOS 7 Setup On first boot, there is a tutorial and some steps to take to harden the TNAS (or not), which includes an immediate update from TOS 7.0.0616 to 7.0.0706, of which the changelog screenshot is also included in the above gallery. It must be noted that the Security Advisor still contains (in my opinion) a pretty major bug in that if you enable SPC and then do the required rebooting, the Security Advisor still says that SPC is disabled. TerraMaster provided the following statement about it: It is disappointing that TOS 7 has been in beta since December, and this OOBE issue is still there. Shutdown option has moved Instead of a Taskbar option to manage the NAS, all of these options have been moved to the Control Panel, initially I did not see it and my contact had to show me how to power off the F4-425 Pro. To logout, reboot or power off you can find those controls at the top right of the Control Panel. It is also possible to power off through the TNAS mobile app beta. Storage setup Above, you can see the steps I took to create the Storage Pools and Volumes. I made a second Storage Pool using TRAID on two 4TB MP44Q SSDs (which, in this instance, is similar to RAID 5), and finally, I added the 250GB 970 Evo Plus drive as Hyper Cache on Storage Pool 1 in Balanced mode. Registering If you decide not to lock down the F4-425 Pro in Security Isolation Mode (blocking all external connections), then you could set up a TNAS device ID through the Remote Access setting in the Control Panel (which must be unique). This works in combination with an online TerraMaster account. TOS 7 TNAS Online Creating a TerraMaster account and linking the device online activates the warranty when you provide proof of purchase and the serial number, but it also gives you access through the TNAS mobile app, which allows you to complete certain operationsб including powering off and restarting the NAS remotely. A TNAS mobile update is required to gain access through TOS 7, and this is provided on the TerraMaster website, as it is not yet on Google Play. The app is evolving all the time and has made leaps and bounds since I first started reviewing TerraMaster devices almost three years ago. It is not quite there yet if you are comparing the likes of Synology, which, sadly, a lot of users online do all the time. OpenClaw setup One of the main selling points of the new F4-425 Pro is the inclusion of OpenClaw, with TerraMaster claiming that it is "powered by the world's first AI-native TOS 7 OS, supporting local-first smart workflows and independent data control." However, I immediately ran into problems trying to enable OpenClaw. After waiting 20 minutes at the "Enabling" message of the OpenClaw app following installation, I decided to do some searching online and discovered that it couldn't complete the installation process due to SPC being enabled, which is something TOS 7 immediately recommends to be enabled on first boot. SPC for NAS (TOS 7) is basically the same principle as UAC in Windows; it blocks executables from being launched by non-Super Users. After reaching out to my contact about these issues, I received the following response: Anyway, this only became clear when I closed the OpenClaw app screen and clicked on the OpenClaw icon in the taskbar; that is when I saw the message about disabling SPC. I think, due to the fact that this is a requirement, this should be a prompt during the installation process, not when closing the App Market and then trying to launch OpenClaw. There's also no 'Getting started' guide for people like me who have never used OpenClaw. I tried to add an LLM and discovered the tutorial led nowhere. That's when I started looking around the official TerraMaster forums, and I found a guide that helpfully explains that you won't get anywhere with OpenClaw unless you have a paid plan, which is disappointing because I imagined there would be an option to use a local LLM as I do in SubtitleEdit with Whisper-XXL. In addition, with the marketing imagery on the official site, it says that the OpenClaw feature is "all processed 100% locally for absolute privacy." which led me to believe that I could install a local LLM, not one that required paid tokens. In any case, TerraMaster does not provide guidance for this new feature, which was also a selling point of the F4-425 Pro! My contact also provided clarification about the above points I raised with TerraMaster Since it is not in the scope of the review to add paid services, I'll leave that to the people who are more qualified with OpenClaw. F4-425 Pro Surveillance App TOS also comes with a Surveillance app, which is not installed by default; it can be found in the App Market recommended section. In addition, after installing, it doesn't drop a shortcut on the Desktop or top taskbar, but you can "Send to Desktop" from the App Market listing for the app for a quick way to open it. Adding my Reolink POE doorbell camera was painless. TerraMaster doesn't appear to have a repository of preconfigured cameras; instead, the camera must be added using ONVIF or RTSP. No mobile Surveillance app TerraMaster still doesn't have a dedicated Surveillance app, although from searching online, Surveillance can be used and managed through the TNAS mobile app. I tried this with the updated TNAS mobile app beta in combination with TOS 7 and got a message that Surveillance was "Only accessible through web browser," so I reckon this must be limited to the stable versions of TOS 6 and the mobile app. More quirks In addition, whenever I minimized the Live View window in the browser Surveillance app, the feed appeared to switch to the Low-bandwidth stream, and there was no way to get the High-quality stream back. To get the High-quality stream back, I had to close Live View and then reopen it. Benchmarking A pretty cool feature of the TOS 7 is that it allows you to install directly to the NVMe M.2 SSD. In order to do that, you would have to leave out any HDDs during initialization, and even then, the system partitions are always written to two HDDs when they are eventually added. With three NVMe slots, this also gives an interesting scenario where you could build a TRAID storage Pool for installing all your apps and Docker on, and keep the third for SSD cache on the HDD pool. Limitless options! SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 A CrystalDiskMark test on a mapped network drive from within a Windows 11 25H2 PC (image above) connected over a 5 GbE hub was well within acceptable ranges. Although the read result on SATA was a little less than with the F4-425 Plus, for some reason, while writes were generally better. SATA PCIe 3.0 X1 I also ran the NAS Performance tester, which tests the link speed performance. As you can see, it pretty much maxes out the 5GbE connection. Of course, you can also opt to bond the two 5 GbE connections for a bit more umph, but I didn't do that. TOS 7, which, as of testing, is still in Beta, comes with an App Center that has a bunch of handy programs you can install right off the bat, such as Emby, Plex, Docker, as well as in-house Backup and Surveillance solutions. As you can imagine, any media streaming services you would want to host off the F4-425 Pro will work great, thanks to the Intel Core N350 CPU and its 16 GB of DDR5 memory. Accessing from mobile is only possible if Security Isolation Mode is disabled, which can put your NAS at risk from external sources, so there was no way to access it from the TNAS Mobile app. It's also quiet. I had this sat next to my computer on my work desk for the past week, and I did wonder if the noise I was accustomed to with NAS devices would annoy me, but all I could hear was a soft whirring of the rear fan (which was a little annoying) when the disks were not actively copying or reading data. Conclusion So what have I learned? Unfortunately, this release raises a few important questions and concerns that I feel haven't been adequately addressed. What I didn't like Our variant shipped with TOS 7 beta, and it's advised not to use it in a production environment. I feel that's a bit limiting on an $800 device. The mobile app is also still in beta and does not support some of the first-party apps, like Surveillance, and it still has quite a few bugs. I am a bit confused about the OpenClaw marketing along with the F4-425 Pro. I feel like that if it's going to be a main selling point, then offer official guidance on how to get started with it. TerraMaster recommends enabling SPC, but then markets the NAS for use with OpenClaw, which requires disabling SPC to be able to use it, opening up genuine security concerns for the NAS; and that's before you get into the security concerns of OpenClaw itself. Of course, the above issues won't be a problem if you decide to install something else on it, or even go back to the stable TOS 6. I wish TerraMaster had just given TOS 7 as opt-in rather than shipping with it. TOS 7 has been available as a preview since December 2025 (so well before my last TerraMaster review), and according to a thread on Reddit where a user shared a screenshot from the TerraMaster Facebook page, it is scheduled to launch today, June 23, but there's nothing about that in the TerraMaster news blog. My contact confirmed over email that TOS 7 exits beta today. The rubber feet also deserve a mention as they continue to be a problem, with them coming unstuck the moment you shift the F4-425 Pro anywhere on your desk. What I liked What it comes down to, though, aside from what I already mentioned, you are still getting a quality, affordable device here, so recommending it will depend on the individual's use case. If you're just looking for a relatively small NAS device to manage virtual machines on, backup your files, and take care of your home theater streaming, then it is a great device that will certainly futureproof you for some time. It provides good performance, takes up little space, and is, on the whole, very quiet. Four bays afford proper redundancy using TRAID or RAID 5, and you can even expand on storage capacity by adding the 2-bay D5, or 4-bay D8 Hybrid DAS over a USB 3.2 (10Gbps) link. Considering the 2024 releases were more about power, with the likes of an Intel Core i5-1235U high-end laptop CPU under the hood, I asked my contact last time if we could expect more of the same in higher-end models and was told: It makes a lot of sense to use Intel's N350 chip inside a NAS; it is more than capable of doing what the F4-425 Pro is intended for, media streaming and backup. The only downside is still the clear lack of community and even staff support on the official forums. In the past, I have had topics go unanswered for days, or there would be generic-type "we've noted this and passed it onto our developer team" type responses. Along with the other things I mentioned, it all ends up costing it a couple of points. If you are comfortable with the command line, Docker, and setting up TrueNAS or Unraid, you'll be fine. You can do great things with this hardware. In TOS, the apps are a bit lacking, and things don't always work as expected.\ AI NAS?! What has become clear to me this year is that we are going to start seeing all kinds of "AI NAS" come to market, and while that might be good for us consumers, be diligent and research these claims. Although the F4-425 Pro technically comes with AI, it is really using a cloud service that is externally sourced off-device through the third party OpenClaw app. My colleague did review a newcomer to the NAS space earlier this year, and it includes a local AI assistant inside the Zettlab D4 NAS, and they do not even use AI in the product name, check out Chris' review here. Where to buy and a discount coupon However, it does not change the fact that this is truly a great entry-level home media-class NAS that you can buy right now. TerraMaster is having a 20% off launch discount, plus you can also still apply our unique 10% off coupon on checkout, which only works on the official website. So here is a breakdown of the pricing that is only valid on the official TerraMaster website. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $575.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = $503.99 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £525.59 TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) + 20% discount + 10% coupon = £460.79 Use NEOWIN coupon code during checkout for 10% discount Over on Amazon US and UK, the F4-425 Pro also gets a 20% launch discount, but here, the above 10% coupon cannot be applied. TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for $639.99 at Amazon US (was $799.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for $559.99 at Amazon US (was $699.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N350) for £583.99 at Amazon UK (was £729.99) TerraMaster F4-425 Pro (N305) for £511.99 at Amazon UK (was £639.99) As an Amazon Associate, when you purchase through links on our site, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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