GTS 250 Help!

[ReCoNx]

Hi, i have recently bought a GTS 250 and as you would you would expect it to reach over 130+ Constantly ( since my friend has a 9600 and he is getting 120 Constantly on a bigger screen then mine. ) I Am Currently getting around 60 - 90 alot of the time which may seem good but i asked a guy and he said i should be getting at least 200 on my resolution!

(Game where talking about is CSS (counterstrike Source) )

System Spec:

Windows: Windows NT6.0 (Build 6001) Service Pack 1

Internet Explorer: 7.0.6001.18000

Memory (RAM): 3071 MB

CPU Info: Intel® Core2 Duo CPU E4700 @ 2.60GHz

CPU Speed: 2598.3 MHz

Sound card: Speakers (Realtek High Definiti

Display Adapters: NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 | NVIDIA GeForce GTS 250 | RDPDD Chained DD | RDP Encoder Mirror Driver

Monitors: 1

Screen Resolution: 1024 X 768 - 32 bit

Network: Network Present

Network Adapters: NVIDIA nForce Networking Controller

CD / DVD Drives: D: ATAPI DVD A DH16A6S

COM Ports: NOT Present

LPT Ports: NOT Present

Mouse: 8 Button Wheel Mouse Present

Hard Disks: C: 586.4GB | I: 9.8GB

Hard Disks - Free: C: 528.7GB | I: 2.0GB

USB Controllers: 2 host controllers.

Firewire (1394): Not Detected

PCMCIA (Laptops): Not Installed

Manufacturer: American Megatrends Inc.

Product Make: Aspire M1641

AC Power Status: OnLine

BIOS Info:

Time Zone: GMT Standard Time

Battery: No Battery

Motherboard: ACER MCP73VE

Modem: Not detected

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Lets start with the basics...

Did you uninstall your previous graphics card drivers completely?? Like use one of the apps out there to completely remove them. That could definitely cause issues. Lets take it from there...

[ReCoNx]

Lets start with the basics...

Did you uninstall your previous graphics card drivers completely?? Like use one of the apps out there to completely remove them. That could definitely cause issues. Lets take it from there...

Well i just recoverd my OS but it might automaticly install the ATI Drivers so ill just use the ATI driver unistaller app again ( pretty sure there are no drivers for it tho )

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Well i just recoverd my OS but it might automaticly install the ATI Drivers so ill just use the ATI driver unistaller app again ( pretty sure there are no drivers for it tho )

Hold on. I have not actually done so in a long time but there is also an app specifically for removing drivers, let me see if I can find it for you real quick. I know where to look.

EDIT WITH UPDATE - Try this app as well... Driver Sweeper

Not sure if there is a better app out there so if anyone else wants to reply with one feel free.

I just went to Guru 3D which is where I go for all my graphic card related needs, and the app I used to use, Driver Cleaner, has not been updated since 2006.

[ReCoNx]

Hold on. I have not actually done so in a long time but there is also an app specifically for removing drivers, let me see if I can find it for you real quick. I know where to look.

EDIT WITH UPDATE - Try this app as well... Driver Sweeper

Not sure if there is a better app out there so if anyone else wants to reply with one feel free.

I just went to Guru 3D which is where I go for all my graphic card related needs, and the app I used to use, Driver Cleaner, has not been updated since 2006.

Thanks, just downloaded and clicked analyse none were found. anyother ideas why im getting ****ty fps?

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Thanks, just downloaded and clicked analyse none were found. anyother ideas why im getting ****ty fps?

Hmmmm.

Just out of curiosity is V Sync enabled in the graphical settings for CS itself? Not sure where it is as not in front of my gaming PC right now, but should be pretty easy to find somewhere.

Check that out, and if it is for some reason, uncheck it.

Also how are you determining how many frames per second you are getting? Through the console command itself or an outside app like FRAPS?

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

That's odd. You should be getting much higher FPS at 1024x768. Try this:

1. Uninstall your current NVIDIA drivers.
   
2. Run Driver Sweeper and remove any driver leftovers.
   
3. Reboot, then head over to NVIDIA's driver page and download/install the latest drivers.
   
4. Reboot again and run the Counter-Strike: Source stress test.
   

EDIT: Whoops, I guess I took a little too long to post.

EDIT2: V-sync is disabled by default in Counter-Strike: Source and as far as I'm aware, the same case applies to NVIDIA's control panel. It's a feature that you have to manually enable. Basically, it caps your FPS at your current refresh rate (e.g. 60 Hz = 60 FPS).

Edited May 21, 2009 by Anaron

[ReCoNx]

Hmmmm.

Just out of curiosity is V Sync enabled in the graphical settings for CS itself? Not sure where it is as not in front of my gaming PC right now, but should be pretty easy to find somewhere.

Check that out, and if it is for some reason, uncheck it.

Also how are you determining how many frames per second you are getting? Through the console command itself or an outside app like FRAPS?

Through the Console command its self.

Also i did the stress test a while with my old card and i got 140 but every server i played in i was getting like 40 thats why i updated my card because my old one was not so good :p.

EDIT: I Just recoverd my OS and installed the latest drives is there any need for me to do it again :p. i will do that tomorrow ( Getting Tired now :( ) But is there any other options?

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

What do you mean by "recovered my OS"? Did you run a repair installation? System restore, perhaps? I can't think of anything wrong with your setup. You should be getting more FPS in Counter-Strike: Source.

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

Through the Console command its self.

Also i did the stress test a while with my old card and i got 140 but every server i played in i was getting like 40 thats why i updated my card because my old one was not so good :p.

EDIT: I Just recoverd my OS and installed the latest drives is there any need for me to do it again :p. i will do that tomorrow ( Getting Tired now :( ) But is there any other options?

Besides what Anaron above said, not really sure until you definitely do that...

I also am curious as to what you mean by "recovered my OS" why did you have to do it?

It may be something with your entire system because as you said and was just said by Anaron, FPS should not even be an issue.

[ReCoNx]

What do you mean by "recovered my OS"? Did you run a repair installation? System restore, perhaps? I can't think of anything wrong with your setup. You should be getting more FPS in Counter-Strike: Source.

I Mean i did system restore back to factory settings, i was thinking i might have been using 2 much memory or had a virus which was lowering my FPS but nope, that wasn't the case.

Anymore Ideas why my FPS is so low..?

[+PeterUK MVC]

What PSU do you have?

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

I Mean i did system restore back to factory settings, i was thinking i might have been using 2 much memory or had a virus which was lowering my FPS but nope, that wasn't the case.

Anymore Ideas why my FPS is so low..?

Not really that many other ideas, except one thing you said was interesting to me...

You said when you ran the stress test with your old card you got 140, but online you only got 40, so perhaps somehow your internet connection is the culprit. Not sure how or why, but that did strike me as odd... So have you tried connecting to the server that lists the absolute lowest ping when you search?

To be honest I am just thinking of whatever reasons it could be, but that one comment did strike me as odd. Chances are it has nothing to do with anything.

What PSU do you have?

Yep, always a potential culprit I would think...

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

What PSU do you have?

Now why didn't I think of that? :pinch:

The GeForce GTS 250 requires a minimum 450W PSU. I doubt a low-end Acer desktop has that. I think that might have been the problem after all.

[+PeterUK MVC]

Product Make: Aspire M1641

http://us.acer.com/acer/seu30e.do?Language...p;CRC=112726363

250W... this is way under powered for that card!

[DirtyLarry Veteran]

http://us.acer.com/acer/seu30e.do?Language...p;CRC=112726363

250W... this is way under powered for that card!

DING DING DING

We have a winner!!!! (Y)

[Yusuf M. Veteran]

http://us.acer.com/acer/seu30e.do?Language...p;CRC=112726363

250W... this is way under powered for that card!

And we have a winner! I just looked that up. A 250W PSU is well below the minimum requirement. The maximum power draw for the GeForce GTS 250 is 150W. That's 60% of the system's PSU being used by the video card alone.

[ReCoNx]

http://us.acer.com/acer/seu30e.do?Language...p;CRC=112726363

250W... this is way under powered for that card!

Nah, when i bought the card i also bought a 750 WATT power supply.

Any other ideas..

I The server's i play in my ping is 30 - 40 and thats about the lowest it goes for me

[metheweirdo]

on a side note, since your monitors refresh rate is probably at 60 or 70hz, why would it matter that much when playing a game that runs a 90 fps if you only gonna be able to actually see 60 or 70 fps only lol

mm maybe that statement is a little hard to understand so nevermind

ON TOPIC:

1. make sure you defragment your hard drive at least 1 time a month

2. make sure you have checked to see that you dont have any programs running in the background (i.e. anti-whatever scans and p2p programs especially)(by the way, ive seen turning off resident shield for your anti -whatever program can speed up loading speed ;) )

3. run msconfig and try to take off startup programs that you dont need and restart your computer :)

4. if its still at low fps, try using the latest beta drivers for your video card

5. still doesnt work??.. damn check for an updated BIOS, rarely thats a problem though

6. this is kinda advanced (not really, but some people think it is lol) but you might want to try to stop some services from "services.msc" - again rarely a problem ;)

[ReCoNx]

ON TOPIC:

1. make sure you defragment your hard drive at least 1 time a month

2. make sure you have checked to see that you dont have any programs running in the background (i.e. anti-whatever scans and p2p programs especially)(by the way, ive seen turning off resident shield for your anti -whatever program can speed up loading speed ;) )

3. run msconfig and try to take off startup programs that you dont need and restart your computer :)

4. if its still at low fps, try using the latest beta drivers for your video card

5. still doesnt work??.. damn check for an updated BIOS, rarely thats a problem though

6. this is kinda advanced (not really, but some people think it is lol) but you might want to try to stop some services from "services.msc" - again rarely a problem ;)

I Do Defrag every month at least, i dont have any programs running in background ever really. I have already done MSCONFIG the other night. and downloaded the latest drivers and yes it is still happening.

[Mannlich]

Nah, when i bought the card i also bought a 750 WATT power supply.

Any other ideas..

I The server's i play in my ping is 30 - 40 and thats about the lowest it goes for me

Out of curiosity, what Power Supply did you purchase?

[ReCoNx]

Out of curiosity, what Power Supply did you purchase?

Hmm carn't remember lol. i bought it from novatech i had it bookmarked and everything before i recoverd vista to fact' settings.

[+PeterUK MVC]

Hmm carn't remember lol. i bought it from novatech i had it bookmarked and everything before i recoverd vista to fact' settings.

I bet you went for this...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-PSU750

[Vice]

Your FPS is fine.

You said in your first post: "I Am Currently getting around 60 - 90 alot of the time" When you say alot of the time you mean on average? In which case completely normal for a GTS 250 in Counter Strike: Source with all the settings on High except for AA/AF @ 1024x768

You are also not running your memory in Dual Channel this loses you some performance which would translate to maybe 10 FPS in maximum and almost no difference in Lowest or Average FPS.

I know your friend said he is getting higher FPS then you are with a 9600 but he is either running it at the lowest possible settings (apart from his resolution) or is stating the maximum he has ever seen his FPS reach (Walking through an empty corridor for example).

[ReCoNx]

I bet you went for this...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/specpage.html?NOV-PSU750

Nah i didn't actaully my friend told me to buy that one, but i went for 1 which was like ?50 and whats wrong with that one anyway? (my friend has it)

No his average is about that, the max he reached was 270 but his average is 160+ with everything full.