[Spoilers] Lost - Season 6

[Lamp0]

I for one couldnt get into the wire...

Get through season 1 of The Wire at least, it's a slow burner If you still don't like it... then you're a Lost cause.

Im starting to think that those that didnt like the ending or the show for that matter, didnt religiously watch it.

I watched every episode since it started and, putting aside my thoughts on the production quality of the show, I felt the story wasn't bad but the ending was very unsatisfying, and frustrating.

[Aaron Veteran]

This is pretty cool. You can see how they tied the opening scene to the final scene... very well done.

Sorry for the url shortner - see the name of the site and you'll see why neowin is censoring it.

http://is.gd/coxat

[Rappy Veteran]

Why, yes it is. Back in 2005, at a Paley Center event, Abrams fielded a question about his favorite fan theories on what Lost is about ? and his answer kinda flies directly in the face of the finale. [Vulture]

[BrundleFLY]

The following was posted on another site and it is claimed to have come from somebody at Badrobot...but I cannot find a link to it. (I have asked the guy to post a link and will update if he does) I am sorry if this has already been posted but I did not see it in my browsing of this thread. I am not sure if it is actually from someone who worked on the show as claimed but I think it is still a very good summation of the finale episode...

Found this on Bad Robot, is supposidly an explanation from someone on the show, it is a great read and explains a hell of a lot:

First ...

The Island:

It was real. Everything that happened on the island that we saw throughout the 6 seasons was real. Forget the final image of the plane crash, it was put in purposely to f*&k with people's heads and show how far the show had come. They really crashed. They really survived. They really discovered Dharma and the Others. The Island keeps the balance of good and evil in the world. It always has and always will perform that role. And the Island will always need a "Protector". Jacob wasn't the first, Hurley won't be the last. However, Jacob had to deal with a malevolent force (MIB) that his mother, nor Hurley had to deal with. He created the devil and had to find a way to kill him ? even though the rules prevented him from actually doing so.

Thus began Jacob's plan to bring candidates to the Island to do the one thing he couldn't do. Kill the MIB. He had a huge list of candidates that spanned generations. Yet everytime he brought people there, the MIB corrupted them and caused them to kill one another. That was until Richard came along and helped Jacob understand that if he didn't take a more active role, then his plan would never work.

Enter Dharma ? which I'm not sure why John is having such a hard time grasping. Dharma, like the countless scores of people that were brought to the island before, were brought there by Jacob as part of his plan to kill the MIB. However, the MIB was aware of this plan and interferred by "corrupting" Ben. Making Ben believe he was doing the work of Jacob when in reality he was doing the work of the MIB. This carried over into all of Ben's "off-island" activities. He was the leader. He spoke for Jacob as far as they were concerned. So the "Others" killed Dharma and later were actively trying to kill Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley and all the candidates because that's what the MIB wanted. And what he couldn't do for himself.

Dharma was originally brought in to be good. But was turned bad by MIB's corruption and eventually destroyed by his pawn Ben. Now, was Dharma only brought there to help Jack and the other Canditates on their overall quest to kill Smokey? Or did Jacob have another list of Canidates from the Dharma group that we were never aware of? That's a question that is purposley not answered because whatever answer the writers came up with would be worse than the one you come up with for yourself. Still ... Dharma's purpose is not "pointless" or even vague. Hell, it's pretty blantent.

Still, despite his grand plan, Jacob wanted to give his "candidates" (our Lostaways) the one thing he, nor his brother, were ever afforded: free will. Hence him bringing a host of "candidates" through the decades and letting them "choose" which one would actually do the job in the end. Maybe he knew Jack would be the one to kill Flocke and that Hurley would be the protector in the end. Maybe he didn't. But that was always the key question of the show: Fate vs Free-will. Science vs Faith. Personally I think Jacob knew from the beginning what was going to happen and that everyone played a part over 6 seasons in helping Jack get to the point where he needed to be to kill Smokey and make Hurley the protector ? I know that's how a lot of the writers viewed it. But again, they won't answer that (nor should they) because that ruins the fun.

In the end, Jack got to do what he always wanted to do from the very first episode of the show: Save his fellow Lostaways. He got Kate and Sawyer off the island and he gave Hurley the purpose in life he'd always been missing. And, in Sideways world (which we'll get to next) he in fact saved everyone by helping them all move on ...

Now...

Sideways World:

Sideways world is where it gets really cool in terms of theology and metaphysical discussion (for me at least ? because I love history/religion theories and loved all the talks in the writer's room about it). Basically what the show is proposing is that we're all linked to certain people during our lives. Call them soulmates (though it's not exactly the best word). But these people we're linked to are with us duing "the most important moments of our lives" as Christian said. These are the people we move through the universe with from lifetime to lifetime. It's loosely based in Hinduisim with large doses of western religion thrown into the mix.

The conceit that the writers created, basing it off these religious philosophies, was that as a group, the Lostaways subconsciously created this "sideways" world where they exist in purgatory until they are "awakened" and find one another. Once they all find one another, they can then move on and move forward. In essence, this is the show's concept of the afterlife. According to the show, everyone creates their own "Sideways" purgatory with their "soulmates" throughout their lives and exist there until they all move on together. That's a beautiful notion. Even if you aren't religious or even spirtual, the idea that we live AND die together is deeply profound and moving.

It's a really cool and spirtual concept that fits the whole tone and subtext the show has had from the beginning. These people were SUPPOSED to be together on that plane. They were supposed to live through these events ? not JUST because of Jacob. But because that's what the universe or God (depending on how religious you wish to get) wanted to happen. The show was always about science vs faith ? and it ultimately came down on the side of faith. It answered THE core question of the series. The one question that has been at the root of every island mystery, every character backstory, every plot twist. That, by itself, is quite an accomplishment.

How much you want to extrapolate from that is up to you as the viewer. Think about season 1 when we first found the Hatch. Everyone thought that's THE answer! Whatever is down there is the answer! Then, as we discovered it was just one station of many. One link in a very long chain that kept revealing more, and more of a larger mosiac.

But the writer's took it even further this season by contrasting this Sideways "purgatory" with the Island itself. Remember when Michael appeared to Hurley, he said he was not allowed to leave the Island. Just like the MIB. He wasn't allowed into this sideways world and thus, was not afforded the opportunity to move on. Why? Because he had proven himself to be unworthy with his actions on the Island. He failed the test. The others, passed. They made it into Sideways world when they died ? some before Jack, some years later. In Hurley's case, maybe centuries later. They exist in this sideways world until they are "awakened" and they can only move on TOGETHER because they are linked. They are destined to be together for eternity. That was their destiny.

They were NOT linked to Anna Lucia, Daniel, Roussou, Alex, Miles, Lupidis, (and all the rest who weren't in the chuch ? basically everyone who wasn't in season 1). Yet those people exist in Sideways world. Why? Well again, here's where they leave it up to you to decide. The way I like to think about it, is that those people who were left behind in Sideways world have to find their own soulmates before they can wake up. It's possible that those links aren't people from the island but from their other life (Anna's parnter, the guy she shot --- Roussou's husband, etc etc).

A lot of people have been talking about Ben and why he didn't go into the Church. And if you think of Sideways world in this way, then it gives you the answer to that very question. Ben can't move on yet because he hasn't connected with the people he needs to. It's going to be his job to awaken Roussou, Alex, Anna Lucia (maybe), Ethan, Goodspeed, his father and the rest. He has to attone for his sins more than he did by being Hurley's number two. He has to do what Hurley and Desmond did for our Lostaways with his own people. He has to help them connect. And he can only move on when all the links in his chain are ready to. Same can be said for Faraday, Charlotte, Whidmore, Hawkins etc. It's really a neat, and cool concept. At least to me.

But, from a more "behind the scenes" note: the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode. I applaud them for that. It's pretty fantastic. Originally Ben was supposed to have a 3 episode arc and be done. But he became a big part of the show. They could have easily changed their ending and put him in the church ? but instead they problem solved it. Gave him a BRILLIANT moment with Locke outside the church ... and then that was it. I loved that. For those that wonder ? the original ending started the moment Jack walked into the church and touches the casket to Jack closing his eyes as the other plane flies away. That was always JJ's ending. And they kept it.

For me the ending of this show means a lot. Not only because I worked on it, but because as a writer it inspired me in a way the medium had never done before. I've been inspired to write by great films. Maybe too many to count. And there have been amazing TV shows that I've loved (X-Files, 24, Sopranos, countless ? hour shows). But none did what LOST did for me. None showed me that you could take huge risks (writing a show about faith for network TV) and stick to your creative guns and STILL please the audience. I learned a lot from the show as a writer. I learned even more from being around the incredible writers, producers, PAs, interns and everyone else who slaved on the show for 6 years.

In the end, for me, LOST was a touchstone show that dealt with faith, the afterlife, and all these big, spirtual questions that most shows don't touch. And to me, they never once waivered from their core story ? even with all the sci-fi elements they mixed in. To walk that long and daunting of a creative tightrope and survive is simply astounding.

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

I watched every episode since it started and, putting aside my thoughts on the production quality of the show, I felt the story wasn't bad but the ending was very unsatisfying, and frustrating.

+1

That wasn't a ending. It felt like they ended it back in season 2 and just wrote crap to keep it going since. :\

Very disappointed - 2/10 for me.

[Syanide]

^^ That seems like some serious PR crap, especially the part of them supposedly not changing the original ending. Yeah, right.

[Mathachew Veteran]

Egads, did you have to make it all bold?!

[Rappy Veteran]

And the fan videos are out! :p

so I see :rofl: :rolleyes:

and :p

[BrundleFLY]

Egads, did you have to make it all bold?!

The smoke monster made me do it...so yes.

I have not seen anyone mention that the bodies of "Adam and Eve" are in diferent places in the season one episode 6 "The House of the Rising Son" and season six's "Across the Sea". In season one the bodies seem to be on opposite sides of the cave, one in the alcove and the other on the cave floor. In "Across the Sea" Jacob lays the bodies down in the alcove next to one another.

Just wondered why they would have changed thier positions.

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[Rappy Veteran]

:rofl:

[Rob2687]

Time to cash in on those DVD sales.

'Lost' Creators Promise More Answers After The Finale

Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse will answer lingering questions through a DVD bonus feature.

That's it, everybody. Show's over. Nothing more to see. "Lost" is done.

What? You're not satisfied? You don't feel that executive producers and writers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse supplied answers to every single one of your burning questions? There's no doubt that there are still lingering issues, even after the two-and-a-half-hour monumental television event, and if you're scratching your head wondering why certain plot points developed over the last six years were completely ignored on Sunday (May 23), you may be in luck. According to Cuse, more answers are on the way, even with the finale fully wrapped.

"We did a little feature for the DVDs, and in sort of an entertaining way, we answered a few things that are not [answered] on the show," Cuse told MTV News about the series finale. "It's just a little side-light on some of the questions we didn't get to in the main narrative."

That said, don't expect Cuse or Lindelof to apologize for their storytelling decisions, as the "Lost" masterminds feel they answered everything they needed to. "We feel the story of 'Lost' is complete and the big questions [are answered]," Cuse said. "The character stories, those are the things that we really care about. That's what really gets resolved in the finale."

That's not to say that Cuse and Lindelof didn't get emotional while letting go of "Lost." "It was never not emotional to watch the end of the show," Cuse confessed. "For us, we felt the emotion in the performances and in the way that Jack Bender directed it. When we went to the scoring stage and we heard Michael Giacchino put the music to the finale, it really gave us a sense of closure. It felt like that was what was closing the show."

For Lindelof's part, ending "Lost" was a lot like buying somebody a birthday present several years in advance. "By the time their birthday rolls around, you're sort of like, 'Are they even going to like this anymore? Do they already have one?' But that never happened with us," the "Lost" co-creator revealed. "The closer we got [to the end], the more confident we became that it was the right ending. It was very satisfying for us."

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1639820/20100521/story.jhtml

[Pretend]

Rappy whered you get all the funny captioned pics throughout all of lost? I want to see a lot of them but on here there scattered randomly everywhere.

[Pajter]

I saw the final episode last night. I'm gutted. I couldn't sleep last night, and I still feel terrible today. I'm so sad that this show is over. It has been a pretty big thing for me over the last 6 years, and now it's done. I've loved every bit of it, and I will probably remember this as the best show ever.

Now to re-watch all of it again...

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

That pic is great Rappy :laugh:

Think I'm going to sell my Lost season 1,2,3 DVDs and get the complete collection :cool:

[peterish]

That pic is great Rappy :laugh:

Think I'm going to sell my Lost season 1,2,3 DVDs and get the complete collection :cool:

The only seasons that need to be watched are 1, 5, and 6. So good luck selling those S2&3 DVDs :pinch:

[Richard Hammond]

Yeah im thinking of selling my S1-5 Blu-Rays for the Complete Collection, all depends on what goodies are in the box.

[Syanide]

Wow, the DVD thing is cheaper than the way they ended it and trying to actually cash out on what the people will come up with in the following time (I mean errors in the continuity and unsolved mysteries - I hardly doubt they know ANYTHING, judging by how they wrote it ever since season 2 and how they finished it - and then trying to find a way to patch up the holes, blah).

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

Walt and the End Wreckage Sequence Explained

Question about the ?Lost? finale: I thought we were supposed to see Walt one last time? Did something change? ? Craig

You perhaps got wind of what ?Lost? boss Carlton Cuse said at last week?s Times Talk Live event: ?You will actually see Malcolm [David Kelley], when all is said and done.? But he wasn?t necessarily referring to the series finale that was broadcast on Sunday. So yes, they did find a way to reintroduce (a grown) Walt, but you?ll have to wait for the Season 6 DVD extras.

My friends and I are debating the significance of the wreckage shown during the ?Lost? finale?s closing credits. Was that the plane Lapidus was flying everyone off the island on? Or was that Oceanic 815, meaning everyone died in the original crash? ? Leah

It was C) Not quite any of the above. While many have sought to read something into the serene image of the Oceanic 815 wreckage, sources assure me that coda was chosen strictly to serve as a ?buffer? between the finale?s mind-bending final act and the local newscast to come.

Source: Fancast

I can't wait for the DVD extras. Extras footage, Q&A from Carlton and now this!

[Bubbabyte]

@Brundlefly

Can you link me to the bad robot page, i can't seem to find it.

[burnsflipper]

Kate/Claire/Charlie/Aaron scene is AWESOME!!! :D

My #1 Moment of the episode?

definitely the best for me, they way Kate thanks Charlie and how he breaks down when he remembers Claire :cry:

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

definitely the best for me, they way Kate thanks Charlie and how he breaks down when he remembers Claire :cry:

That was the most emotional sideways part for me, maybe equal with Sawyer/Juliet. Most emotional scene on the island was the last image, where Vincent lays next to Jack as he dies, not letting him die alone (Y)

[BrundleFLY]

@Brundlefly

Can you link me to the bad robot page, i can't seem to find it.

Neither can I, the Badrobot website has nothing at all but the company logo...I requested the original poster on the site I got that from to post a link but as it is after midnight downunder he may have gone to bed. I will post a link if he responds or I actually find it myself, I posted it here as I thought it did sum up the finale quite well, at least I thought it did.

[Beastage]

definitely the best for me, they way Kate thanks Charlie and how he breaks down when he remembers Claire

I still don't understand what Kate replied to Desmond, can anyone clarify? in that youtube clip Desmond appears at 3:43 and he asks Kate a question and she answer, I just couldn't understand what she said.

[+Peewee210 Subscriber¹]

I still don't understand what Kate replied to Desmond, can anyone clarify? in that youtube clip Desmond appears at 3:43 and he asks Kate a question and she answer, I just couldn't understand what she said.

"So now what?"