ATI graphics will power the next generation xbox?

[White Cuban]

Found this on fudzilla

We've learned from industry sources that AMD / ATI has already won the GPU deal for the next generation XboX console. It looks like Microsoft was happy with first Xeons GPU and it wants to continue using the same, especially since the new ATI GPU should keep the compatibility with legacy games.

The consoles refresh was supposed to happen in 2010 but due to the recession both Microsoft and Sony have decided to push its plans for 2012 and keep the Xbox 360 and Playstation 3 alive for more than it was originally planned.

We don?t know how the GPU looks like but judging from the timeline when it is supposed to be delivered we suspect that it might be a 28nm part.

http://www.fudzilla.com/content/view/15936/1/

[Richard Hammond]

Lets hope they do a better job this time around.

[jelli]

If they fix the heating issues (I am sure they won't let that one by again) I imagine it will be a pretty impressive and formidable system.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

An [Official] tag which is sourced by "We've learned from industry sources" :blink: Easy there cowboy.

Most likely, but I'm fed up with everyone being so concerned about what's next as of late, just enjoy what you have for now until MS actually start giving some proper info.

[goji]

An [Official] tag which is sourced by "We've learned from industry sources" :blink: Easy there cowboy.

Don't worry he misspelled it.

On the flip side I am thrilled they postponed the introduction of the next generation hardware. Developers get to leverage the full power of the 360 while playing kind to consumers wallets. And if developers really wish to pump out powerful titles, hopefully the PC market starts receiving a little more love in turn.

2010 is a long ways off, however I have always felt the 360 brand was strong and could stand a little longer, here's hoping consumers win in the end!

[Draken]

well, I've started saving already, that's [Official]

[Danrarbc]

Lets hope they do a better job this time around.

ATI did great the first time around.

The RROD problems are due to Microsoft trying to design their own motherboard and cooling solution. They obviously had no idea that the heat caused by these CPU and GPUs they requested would cause the board to flex as it cooled and re-heated with each power cycle, most companies with experience in this field would have anticipated this.

[ViperAFK]

Lets hope they do a better job this time around.

? Xenos is better than the ps3's gpu...

[LOC Veteran]

Considering how awesome the 4xxx and now 5xxx series ATI cards are, one can only say the next Xbox chip will probably be just as awesome.

Looks like Nvidia is really dropping the ball. Starting to smell like 3DFX all of a sudden....

[svnO.o]

Considering how awesome the 4xxx and now 5xxx series ATI cards are, one can only say the next Xbox chip will probably be just as awesome.

Looks like Nvidia is really dropping the ball. Starting to smell like 3DFX all of a sudden....

I wouldn't say Nvidia is really dropping the ball so much as ATI is just doing a fantastic job -- their pricing strategy and now their latest cards are giving them an edge. But I wouldn't count Nvidia out either -- I think they will come out with a competitive product, although I'm not sure when (probably within the next 3 months is my guess).

What will be interesting to see is if Nvidia will try to be top-dog again with higher-end (and more costly) products or if they will try to be more competitive with their pricing/performance. I think the result of that, coupled with ATI's reaction (making the right price cuts at the right time), will be a big deciding factor on which company will be more successful 6 months to a year from now.

[The Teej]

? Xenos is better than the ps3's gpu...

I think he means in terms of hardware reliability, ftr.

[McSmiggins]

lol @ "Official" :)

But I really don't think nVidia stand much of a chance of getting in the Xbox 1080 (or whatever), esp after the problems over the original Xbox GPU pricing, but you never know, companies are big things and aren't people, they'll make the decision based on the offers they get, with ATI probably having the bonus of easier backwards compatibility.

To be honest, the quiet one in the corner is Intel, people are already saying Larabee's in the PS4, but that's miles away yet, and we haven't seen anything of what Larabee can do.

To be honest, I'm more interested in where the CPUs are going, IBM got a clean sweep this generation and must be laughing, reckon we'll see it again?

[goji]

Looks like Nvidia is really dropping the ball. Starting to smell like 3DFX all of a sudden....

Oh no no no. Watch them conquer the mobile gaming market with TEGRA :p

If so, then they have merely reset their priorities; sloppily rather than intentionally.

[White Cuban]

whatcha mean? was it the nvidia in Xbox 360 that caused the RROD?

[goji]

No bro, Nvidia designed the chip for the first box, but because of licensing issues MS claimed were BS, they took a different route which led to ATI/AMD and the 360 as we know it today.

[neudera]

It doesn't matter which company supplies the video card, I won't be buying another Xbox. 5 dead 360's and a refusal to send me one that didn't die sealed my decision to stay away from the Xbox.

[Minifig]

Can we please stop calling FudZilla "official" sources?

They're not reliable at all.

[shockz]

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[George P Global Moderator]

If true, and I think it is, then it's no surprise. Why change GPU architecture yet again? If anything I just expect the next xbox to keep the architecture it has on both the CPU and GPU side with the 360, for max backwards compatibility, but just beef them both up.

It's like upgrading a PC, we're still using x86, though we have x64 bits tacked on now, and graphics cards that just add more shaders at faster speeds. I expect the same.

Where the 360 had a CPU with 3 cores @ 3.2Ghz, the new one could be a 6 or 8 core at 4-5Ghz for example, but keeping the same arch so all the apps/games and code will run, they'll just use the same number of cores the 360 has and the rest can shutoff to save power when you're playing a 360 game. Easy to do, the PC has that going on now.

Same with the GPU, Think, going from a 4870 to a 5870, etc. You gain loads of performance and lose nothing in the process. No reason to spend massive amounts of R&D all over again to redesign CPU and GPU architecture.

[Digitalx]

well there goes all the rumors of insiders claiming larabee was going to be powering it.

Also I imagine if this turns out to be true ATi will not be changing the architecture too much it'll be increased upon whats already there by doubling or tripling the specs of existing GPU there won't be any significant architectural changes. They adopted a similar unified shader architecture just before R600 came out along with a trial of adding eDRAM into the mix to offset processing of aliasing samples. It'll more then likely be based on revised R800 or another pre-desktop release of R900 depending when comes out or specs are frozen by microsoft. Either way I'm sure ATi will pack a heavy punch with it. I dislike xbox as a whole but I will give it to ATi's xenos in it is one hell of a gpu for a console.

@GP007 I'm quite sure they'll keep the processor in the ~3.x GHz region. There's no need to go any higher for a console(3.2GHz already caused heat trouble for it for example so won't be going any higher unless you want a console larger then original ps3). But for most part you're correct they'll be keeping to using PPC based POWER7 architecture processor and since I'm sure they'll stick to unified shader architecture the hardware and development will be very similar but with more room to move so to speak. Backwards compatibility I wouldn't count on too much after Microsoft shafted the last gen one for cost saving I wouldn't put it off being shafted again.

In general I foresee the most obvious change will be the next xbox will focus heavily on home networking and media server like capability on top of games and whatnot else.

[The Teej]

@GP007 I'm quite sure they'll keep the processor in the ~3.x GHz region. There's no need to go any higher for a console(3.2GHz already caused heat trouble for it for example so won't be going any higher unless you want a console larger then original ps3). But for most part you're correct they'll be keeping to using PPC based POWER7 architecture processor and since I'm sure they'll stick to unified shader architecture the hardware and development will be very similar but with more room to move so to speak. Backwards compatibility I wouldn't count on too much after Microsoft shafted the last gen one for cost saving I wouldn't put it off being shafted again.

In general I foresee the most obvious change will be the next xbox will focus heavily on home networking and media server like capability on top of games and whatnot else.

What? You do realise the whole reason why they ended their 6th gen run early is because the XBOX hardware was literally making Microsoft haemorrhage money, right? Doing hardware based BC for the XBOX is a ridiculous idea, and the box would have been gigantic. Software based BC was their only option, and don't forget it was Microsoft's first real foray into PPC... their emulator was obviously not going to be easy to do. "XBOX 720" will more then likely feature BC as the 360 is a lot more physically scalable and financially friendly then the XBOX 1.

[White Cuban]

Is the part the console being delayed to 2012 true? never owned a Xbox, wanted to get a 360 but since i live in israel, if i get a RROD, i probably wouldn't get a replacement or would be too much of a trouble

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Is the part the console being delayed to 2012 true? never owned a Xbox, wanted to get a 360 but since i live in israel, if i get a RROD, i probably wouldn't get a replacement or would be too much of a trouble

Complete conjecture, MS and Sony have never officially given a release date for any next generation console.

[Dead_Monkey]

It could certainly be later than 2012, but 2012 seems like a legitimate date to me. 2010 is the year of Natal, you could unveil the new console in either 2011 or in 2012. It sounds like the big guys who make engines and long lead titles (like Ubisoft) already have prototype next gen hardware though. That first raft of games is going to be amazing.

The games that came out for 360 in the first three months had very short lead times, and a bunch were straight up hires ports of games that were moved from the previous generation or had been in development for years.

[George P Global Moderator]

I'm expecting a redesigned 360 + Natal in later 2010 or 2011 before we even start to hear about the next Xbox.

I mean, with the moves they did with basically killing off the Premium and slotting in the Elite in it's place, some sorta Natal bundle is on the way for sure.

And by next year they should be able to shrink all the chips to 45-40nm easy, swap out the DVD drive for a slimmer laptop type one and you can get a 360 slim. And before people bang on about "heat and RRoD", overheating isn't the sole reason for the majority of the original RRoD problems as many have found out by managing to fix their systems. A 360 slim is possible and would produce very little heat if MS takes it's time and does it right.