ATI graphics will power the next generation xbox?

[notuptome2004]

the specs i would see for the next Xbox would be this.

IBM 6 core chips running @ 3.2ghz with architectural changes and enhancement over the current CPU in the Xbox 360 so instead of a 6 threaded chop it be a 16 threaded chip or close to assuming MS uses IBMs newest chips they are developing ti do 12 threads or more per chip.

the GPU will be a DX11 based derivative or so and the system would have 1.2 to 1.5gb of ram now if they chose 1.2 i would assume 200mb would be for the OS witch be running a windows 7 based kernel . i also see an increases in the fast eDram on the system from 10mb up to 64mb

[Elessar]

the specs i would see for the next Xbox would be this.

IBM 6 core chips running @ 3.2ghz with architectural changes and enhancement over the current CPU in the Xbox 360 so instead of a 6 threaded chop it be a 16 threaded chip or close to assuming MS uses IBMs newest chips they are developing ti do 12 threads or more per chip.

the GPU will be a DX11 based derivative or so and the system would have 1.2 to 1.5gb of ram now if they chose 1.2 i would assume 200mb would be for the OS witch be running a windows 7 based kernel . i also see an increases in the fast eDram on the system from 10mb up to 64mb

Honestly, releasing anything less than 1.5GB would be retarded. We've heard about the memory complaints for a while now. Hell, the 360 would have had 256MB had Epic not pushed them to make it 512MB for Gears of War 1. Personally, with memory dropping in price rapidly these days, 2GB of GDDR5 shouldn't cost too much, and I'm sure there will be something better by then anyway.

[ryoohki]

With current crop of ATI video card (58XX) game ported from the Xbox 360 already run at crazy FPS in 2560x1600. Some even run great at 3 Monitor setup (7634x1200). It's really time for a new system because new video card on PC have not meaning whatsoever

[notuptome2004]

Honestly, releasing anything less than 1.5GB would be retarded. We've heard about the memory complaints for a while now. Hell, the 360 would have had 256MB had Epic not pushed them to make it 512MB for Gears of War 1. Personally, with memory dropping in price rapidly these days, 2GB of GDDR5 shouldn't cost too much, and I'm sure there will be something better by then anyway.

actually 256mb was never an option Ms always went for 512 . but either way that is till better then the PS3 witch has only 256mb of ram for the GPU , but yes i think 1.5gb at least be great for the next xbox so developers could push out more realism and have plenty of GPU ram to go around

[Massiveterra]

ATTN: DIRTY LARRY

edit: obviously he was wrong on the release date but he was pretty much on to something with the AMD thing

https://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/09/04/29...oner-than-later

Edited October 14, 2009 by Massiveterra

[George P Global Moderator]

With everything on the PC side of things going to 4GB now, desktops/laptops, while netbooks have 1GB. I think even 1.5GB for the next xbox is on the low range. 2GB at the least is what I see, more ram so you can load up higher textures etc, next comes a new optical media to hold all the game data. Before people jump on the bluray bit though, I doubt MS will use that exact tech, there is a big advance in holodisc tech, using a tweaked bluray laser to read the holodisc media. And we're talking 1TB per DVD sized holodisc here.

Since the drive tech is already in use, and just needs to be tweaked (bluray drives), the only pricey side to it would be the holomedia discs themselves. But 1TB is on the huge side, to save costs you could go with a smaller disc, and hold something like 100-500GB. Just an idea, but if we're talking 2012 at the least, who knows what the prices on this tech, or at what level, it will be at.

[Qumahlin]

"A 360 slim is possible and would produce very little heat if MS takes it's time and does it right. "

No. You can not stop the production of the actual heat. Its a basic principal of electronics and thermodynamics, all you can do is find better ways to dissipate it. The issue with the 360 is not the heat produced, but the fact that their cooling solution was poorly designed and was not efficiently moving the heat away from the parts generating it.

Decreasing die size helps by lowering both resistance and capacitance, but eventually we will reach a point where transistors will be so small we need better shielding in order to avoid electron migration from one transistor to the next.

[Pupik]

With current crop of ATI video card (58XX) game ported from the Xbox 360 already run at crazy FPS in 2560x1600. Some even run great at 3 Monitor setup (7634x1200). It's really time for a new system because new video card on PC have not meaning whatsoever

I didn't quite get that last part. You say PC gamers have no reason to upgrade their GPUs after 58xx?

[g~man]

I'm expecting a redesigned 360 + Natal in later 2010 or 2011 before we even start to hear about the next Xbox.

I mean, with the moves they did with basically killing off the Premium and slotting in the Elite in it's place, some sorta Natal bundle is on the way for sure.

And by next year they should be able to shrink all the chips to 45-40nm easy, swap out the DVD drive for a slimmer laptop type one and you can get a 360 slim. And before people bang on about "heat and RRoD", overheating isn't the sole reason for the majority of the original RRoD problems as many have found out by managing to fix their systems. A 360 slim is possible and would produce very little heat if MS takes it's time and does it right.

natal will never be incorporated in the 360 machine, some people have it standing vertically, some people play on projectors and their 360 is behind them, some people have their tv's hung on the wall and like there to be nothing below it. a bundle with natal is a definate tho. 100%

360 slim is not likely either, theres too many people with the existing hardrives. the ps3 calls itself slim now and its still bigger than the 360, its not that important, just get the 45nm chips out

[The Teej]

Yeah, after thinking about it, 2012 seems a little too close away. Considering MS are pegging Natal as the next generation, or essentially a second generation for the 360, I think 2013 at the absolute earliest. Dev kits are just going to get cheaper and cheaper, along with the console price. We'll eventually be buying XBOX 360 Elites around the $100-$150 price range by 2012, easy, so they'll still sell.