Modern Warfare 2. Woot.

[Spookie]

I've been led to believe that as time goes on, a list of users who've played with bad CRC rips, very early etc. have been added to a list, and come the ban wave - everyone is banned together.

The only times I've seen people banned outside of the ban wave is Halo ODST and Forza, and they're the pretty big games of the year.

I also believe that wave 4 has been the reason of so many people being banned, I mean introduced between Forza and GTA/CoD:MW2 and there's a way around it for the pirates which is easily detectable for MS? Sounds like MS were just baiting in the pirates.

ODST & Forza were both leaked weeks before the release. ODST almost a month! It's terri obvious who the pirates were there. Wave 4- Some say it's firmware. A majority are still unbanned and playing online. Who knows though?

[Ash]

Its probably based on this:

Game has been shipped to to stores and is being played = no ban because its possible a store broke release date.

Game has not been shipped to stores and being played = ban because there is no viable way it could have been bought.

The Walmart around here put out Assassin's Creed 2 out on tuesday. Had I known it wasn't supposed to be out yet, i'd have grabbed a copy for ebay!

[Neztea]

Well, there are a lot of other players playing on modern warfare 2 now. Some are saying that they got the game 5 days before I did. So I'm guessing that Infinity ward doesn't care right now cause yeah, they just don't care.

Neztea

[Bubbabyte]

No you aren't over 4000 people are playing online at this moment, more on SP no doubt. You think MS have the man power to ban 4000 then expect them to send in PoP?

Don't spread FUD.

I'm not spreading FUD at all. Brad explained it below. Currently there is NO WAY of MS detecting modded firmware. People who are getting banned are either playing games before release or like brad said, they are finding "other" ways to play wave4 games without new firmware, which is highly detectable. As for your last question, so what if MS bans 4000 people, of course they don't expect all 4000 to call in and be angry, only a small percentage who have the legit game would so i don't really get your point.

[former1]

My copy got posted next business day before 12, today so hopefully it arrives on Monday :D

[Spookie]

, of course they don't expect all 4000 to call in and be angry, only a small percentage who have the legit game would so i don't really get your point.

You're saying if you play the game early you'll get banned, that's not the case. The reason people are getting banned is because of bad rips. It's their own fault. Period.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

Why is it every time someone goes to play a game they've bought early the same idiots always chime in with "OMFGZ YOU'LL GET BANNED".

And how many times when that happens does Sony/MS need to say legimate copies played early are fine?

No one gets purposely banned for playing anything legit early, if anyone does it's either

a) A mistake by MS - We don't know how MS detect though, all we know is a few ways which will 100% get you banned, there could be others.

b) Someone talking complete BS, their 360 is probably modded, MW2 may be legit, but they're getting banned for an earlier offence.

[Coldgunner]

iirc MS don't ban immediately after the offence to stop people figuring out what exactly got them banned.

[Emn1ty]

that makes no sense man.

a legal copy has the exact same crc that a correct pirated copy has, it's an identical copy. There is no way MS can detect if you are using a pirated copy unless it's an incorrect crc match, so if you play the game early they can't tell if it's legit or not, so you're at risk of being banned.

I'm not spreading FUD at all. Brad explained it below. Currently there is NO WAY of MS detecting modded firmware. People who are getting banned are either playing games before release or like brad said, they are finding "other" ways to play wave4 games without new firmware, which is highly detectable. As for your last question, so what if MS bans 4000 people, of course they don't expect all 4000 to call in and be angry, only a small percentage who have the legit game would so i don't really get your point.

The main reason it is so difficult to play pirated games is specifically because of the firmware. You need MS's current firmware to be online, and if you force it to allow you on Live without that firmware it is a dead giveaway you're doing something fishy. If you opt to update then you're screwed anyways because the new firmware will overwrite your old. If you somehow find a way to bypass both of these, there is probably another system that crosschecks firmware as well, which in turn bans your serial if anything is out of place. It isn't so hard to detect funny things on a console indirectly. Microsoft talked about these abilities on the 360 post release of the console.

[Bubbabyte]

You're saying if you play the game early you'll get banned, that's not the case. The reason people are getting banned is because of bad rips. It's their own fault. Period.

I agree, it is their own fault. My argument is that a legit copy is just as good as a verified rip and MS cannot detect which is which UNLESS you have a bad rip with mismatch crc. So if you play a legit copy early you're at as much risk as if you were playing a verified rip early. (in most cases however the latter is not possible as verification will most likely happen after it retails).

The main reason it is so difficult to play pirated games is specifically because of the firmware. You need MS's current firmware to be online, and if you force it to allow you on Live without that firmware it is a dead giveaway you're doing something fishy. If you opt to update then you're screwed anyways because the new firmware will overwrite your old. If you somehow find a way to bypass both of these, there is probably another system that crosschecks firmware as well, which in turn bans your serial if anything is out of place. It isn't so hard to detect funny things on a console indirectly. Microsoft talked about these abilities on the 360 post release of the console.

Do you have any idea what your talking about? It doesn't sound like it.

[+Audioboxer Subscriber²]

The main reason it is so difficult to play pirated games is specifically because of the firmware. You need MS's current firmware to be online, and if you force it to allow you on Live without that firmware it is a dead giveaway you're doing something fishy. If you opt to update then you're screwed anyways because the new firmware will overwrite your old. If you somehow find a way to bypass both of these, there is probably another system that crosschecks firmware as well, which in turn bans your serial if anything is out of place. It isn't so hard to detect funny things on a console indirectly. Microsoft talked about these abilities on the 360 post release of the console.

Uhhh you do understand the custom firmware to play copied DVDs is for the DVD drive and not the 360 OS itself?

[Emn1ty]

Do you have any idea what your talking about? It doesn't sound like it.

Possibly not, but Mircosoft listed this among their ways to combat modded consoles. I don't research it much, so it might be old news for the mod community. And if it is for the drive then I guess it isn't a problem. I didn't know you could install software just to the drive itself and still use it.

[Bubbabyte]

Possibly not, but Mircosoft listed this among their ways to combat modded consoles. I don't research it much, so it might be old news for the mod community. And if it is for the drive then I guess it isn't a problem. I didn't know you could install software just to the drive itself and still use it.

yeah the modded firmware is for the dvd drive to make it read backup discs. There is currently no way for MS to dump the drive firmware and send it back to them atm, so they cannot detect the modded firmware. However as brad said earlier they have ways to weed out the "stupid" modders, by releasing bad rips of games early, or creating a new "wave" on the discs so that people are unable to play them and/or find ways to play them which is detectable. But that's about it. As i said before, if you are smart about your modded console you're just as safe as an unmodded console.

[Emn1ty]

yeah the modded firmware is for the dvd drive to make it read backup discs. There is currently no way for MS to dump the drive firmware and send it back to them atm, so they cannot detect the modded firmware. However as brad said earlier they have ways to weed out the "stupid" modders, by releasing bad rips of games early, or creating a new "wave" on the discs so that people are unable to play them and/or find ways to play them which is detectable. But that's about it. As i said before, if you are smart about your modded console you're just as safe as an unmodded console.

At least it weeds out all the kiddies who think they're all that when they mod their consoles, heheh.

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

I love everyones scare tactics in here, if Microsoft was going to ban you, they would have done so by now.

I just got my game today

[DrunknMunky Veteran]

yeah the modded firmware is for the dvd drive to make it read backup discs. There is currently no way for MS to dump the drive firmware and send it back to them atm, so they cannot detect the modded firmware. However as brad said earlier they have ways to weed out the "stupid" modders, by releasing bad rips of games early, or creating a new "wave" on the discs so that people are unable to play them and/or find ways to play them which is detectable. But that's about it. As i said before, if you are smart about your modded console you're just as safe as an unmodded console.

All BS.

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

yeah the modded firmware is for the dvd drive to make it read backup discs. There is currently no way for MS to dump the drive firmware and send it back to them atm, so they cannot detect the modded firmware. However as brad said earlier they have ways to weed out the "stupid" modders, by releasing bad rips of games early, or creating a new "wave" on the discs so that people are unable to play them and/or find ways to play them which is detectable. But that's about it. As i said before, if you are smart about your modded console you're just as safe as an unmodded console.

Lol, so it's Microsoft behind the leaks of games....

I've never heard such rediculous things...

[Andrew Lyle Global Moderator]

I just finished beating the game. It was actually very cool, a lot of cool missions and other things. The way the characters ended off had me a little confused. Overall I thought it was really really well done, some cool campaign missions some missions that seemed like they were just copies of each other.

Definitely worth buying!

[t0mbi]

Lol, so it's Microsoft behind the leaks of games....

I've never heard such rediculous things...

Dude..i don't think it is that far fetched of an idea..

[Pheee]

Is it any different than Musicians release an album, but its full of silence? Thats been done before?

[AllNitemarelong]

Dude..i don't think it is that far fetched of an idea..

Really? You can honestly say you think Microsoft would leak its games early? What good could come from that?

[BoDEAN]

Did they fix something today in the game? I log in, and people have unlimited ammo with grenade launchers, EVERYONE is using a grenade launcher, and the C130's seem to be dropping stuff non-stop in the game. Fun level has gone down hill if this is a glitch.

[iamawesomewicked]

Did they fix something today in the game? I log in, and people have unlimited ammo with grenade launchers, EVERYONE is using a grenade launcher, and the C130's seem to be dropping stuff non-stop in the game. Fun level has gone down hill if this is a glitch.

It's a hack that spreads from playing with those people.. it's being worked on apparently.

[Treemonkeys]

Really? You can honestly say you think Microsoft would leak its games early? What good could come from that?

Unofficial beta test, they do it with other software or it can be a way to catch copiers.