time travel.. something to think about..

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id change my past, the butterfly effect would still happen, but if you went back, for the sole purpose of changing something, wouldnt that thing you changed be for the better?

Like for example, say you built a time machine today, and went back in time to 10/9/01 (9/10/01 for you Americans) - would you not inform the police and army and do everything you could to stop the 9/11 terror attacks? Therefore making the world obvious to terrorism in general like it was pre 9/11? I know I sure as hell would.

who are we to tamper with history like that. Things should not be changed.

Besides, time travel is not possible. What's done is done.

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who are we to tamper with history like that. Things should not be changed.

Besides, time travel is not possible. What's done is done.

Well, in the realm of our knowledge of science.... I mean, we don't know everything there is to know about the universe, planes of existance, etc..... We can say it's not possible because up until this point we have not been able to accomplish it..... But think about this. At one time, no one thought that we could travel to the moon.

Yes, its unlikely that time travel is possible, but because we humans are not all knowing of the complexities to the universe, we can never say for certain that it is not possible.

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Paul Paliath

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yeah but would they believe you?

Should you be in that position, don't say you're a time traveler if you want to get anything done, lol.

The thing about time travel is that there's so many paradoxes. I feel like, even if time travel is discovered, it will be highly regulated and shunned simply because the consequences of what it will do are greater than any benefits it can provide. Think about it; perhaps passing by someone can cause you to never be born, but that would mean you never went there to begin with so you would exist and...

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Nothing would happen that we know about. I'm of the school of thought that every possibility is accounted for already an stuff branches out into it's own dimension. In QM the act of observing is enough to alter the outcome probably because you are focusing in one moment in time and beyond that moment lies what seems like an infinite amount of paths and possibilities.

I've just decided to reply to this message but there is probably another me that didn't want to reply to it and his world is carrying on regardless which makes time travel more of an act of prediction.

Again I lack the knowledge to properly explain myself, so I'll pass myself over to Schr?dinger's cat.

Schr?dinger's Cat: A cat, along with a flask containing a poison, is placed in a sealed box shielded against environmentally induced quantum decoherence. If an internal Geiger counter detects radiation, the flask is shattered, releasing the poison that kills the cat. The Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics implies that after a while, the cat is simultaneously alive and dead. Yet, when we look in the box, we see the cat either alive or dead, not a mixture of alive and dead.
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If you go back in time and change an event, from that event onwards a new dimension would spawn (a new reality with that event). However, you wont of changed the event from happening in your original timeline (As that event happend in your dimension, otherwise you wouldnt of come back), so it wouldnt fix it for you but for an alternate you.

The thing you have to remember is, if you go back in time and change an event... you're not destroying your original timeline (dimension), you're just creating a new (your original timeline still exists, the past events still happend and the future is still playing out).. you've just created a new timeline (dimension) with the event changed.

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id change my past, the butterfly effect would still happen, but if you went back, for the sole purpose of changing something, wouldnt that thing you changed be for the better?

Like for example, say you built a time machine today, and went back in time to 10/9/01 (9/10/01 for you Americans) - would you not inform the police and army and do everything you could to stop the 9/11 terror attacks? Therefore making the world obvious to terrorism in general like it was pre 9/11? I know I sure as hell would.

They would lock you up and think you were crazy.

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id change my past, the butterfly effect would still happen, but if you went back, for the sole purpose of changing something, wouldnt that thing you changed be for the better?

Like for example, say you built a time machine today, and went back in time to 10/9/01 (9/10/01 for you Americans) - would you not inform the police and army and do everything you could to stop the 9/11 terror attacks? Therefore making the world obvious to terrorism in general like it was pre 9/11? I know I sure as hell would.

sadly, i think they would throw you in jail for making such claims. and if you said you were 8 years and two months from the future, you'd be going with the men in white lab jackets.

then a day later... yeh

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ekko20six

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Impossible.

You can't "travel" to the future... it hasn't happened yet. You could, theoretically, go into suspended

animation and wake up in the future... but then again, you do that every night.

As for the past, I'm of the thought that it can't be "changed". If YOU travelled to the past and changed

an event... say, killed Hitler... then as far as I would be concerned, Hitler died when you killed him.

As far as the rest of the world would be concerned, he died when you killed him. Therefore, nothing "changed"

as far as anyone is concerned. And you couldn't then travel back to your future because it no longer exists.

It has been theorized that "alternate realities" exist due to this. I live now. I know who won the last Superbowl.

If you went back and changed the outcome, I would not suddenly remember differently. My present would remain

constant. YOUR present, however, would be the one you just created. Me, in THIS present, is a completely different

person that the one you may encounter in your past (now your present).

I like ur way of thinking here, was thought provoking :)

All we need is a Stargate and a Solar Flare ..

Check your cupboards everyone.

<giggle> man i SOOO wanna open the cupboard behind me at work and find a solar flare or other such interesting items, why oh why does it have to be just full of boring things like my work files (Im at work) and vegemite (yes a boy does gotta eat while at work too)

If you go back in time and change an event, from that event onwards a new dimension would spawn (a new reality with that event). However, you wont of changed the event from happening in your original timeline (As that event happend in your dimension, otherwise you wouldnt of come back), so it wouldnt fix it for you but for an alternate you.

The thing you have to remember is, if you go back in time and change an event... you're not destroying your original timeline (dimension), you're just creating a new (your original timeline still exists, the past events still happend and the future is still playing out).. you've just created a new timeline (dimension) with the event changed.

This whole idea of new dimensions being spawned, I like to think it would happen that way. Then again, lets just say time travel is possible, I like the idea that for our current timeline to happen, with in our potential future to occur, if someone has come back in time, then everything that has happened before, has relied on that person being there at the time that it happened.

Man i love movies on time travel and things like this, for all the different ways that it could go, and the whole action and consequence thing.

I mean lets just say to guys come back from the future, and they are all 'hey lets be careful and not do anything' if we go with that it alters the single timeline/reality, then anything and everything that the do, be it on purpose or by mistake or not even knowing about it (ie stepping on a bug) had to have happened so that the current timeline could play out, so that they could end up being in a position in the future to come back.

But then when you put it that way the whole idea of free will goes out the window.

Anyone heard of the time happens in cycles theory? Think Terry Pratchett, The Matrix and Battlestar Galactica - everything has happened before and will happen again. Thinking of that idea means no matter what you do, time travel or not, it will all play out similar in the end.

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Doesn't make sence. If you go back in time to do anything, and you do it, your future self wouldnt need to do it, so you wouldnt have gone in the time machine in the first place, undoing what you just did, and you would be stuck in 1 Infinate Loop :o

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The problem with time travel is that if it's ever made possible then there is the added problem of that person going back and introducing the technology long before it existed. Judging by the fact that hasn't happened yet its safe to predict that one can't travel back in time, forward however is debatable.

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The problem with time travel is that if it's ever made possible then there is the added problem of that person going back and introducing the technology long before it existed. Judging by the fact that hasn't happened yet its safe to predict that one can't travel back in time, forward however is debatable.

Don't we already travel, very slightly, in to the future on aeroplanes? Or more so astronauts in space for prolonged periods of time.

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There's a difference between moving through time faster, than going into the future. The former, relatively you are moving in slow-mo to everyone else, and the latter, future has not yet happened.

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