Electric Jolt Posted December 1, 2009 Share Posted December 1, 2009 So I got a new router and I had these issues before but this revision of the router actually tells me that the FIOS service is conflicting with my port forward rule. I want to forward port 3389 to my computer, and I even tried DMZ. Torrents, rdp, everything, all won't forward. Checking to see if the port is open reports no route to host. Tried different copies of Windows, I've disabled the firewall, everything. I'm familar with this router but this issue I believe it being caused by the FIOS set-top boxes. They are the standard definition boxes with nothing else, no HD or DVR. They are the usual black motorola set-top boxes. I need to figure out how to fix this so I can port forward. I can't change it within the router, like I think the port forward occurs before it gets to the router, but the router detects what is going on. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted December 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) FIOS probably provided you with an Actiontec router, guess what that is a firewall too...you adding a router to a system that already has a router makes it a double nat. it is very hard to setup proper port forwards with this setup. get rid of your router, go into the actiontec and port forward till the cows come home. Port forwarding with an actiontec FIOS router: http://www.portforward.com/english/routers...-WR/default.htm Edited December 1, 2009 by sc302 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591914866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted December 1, 2009 MVC Share Posted December 1, 2009 ^ Exactly! Spot on --- you could give us your make an model of this set top box.. But I highly doubt its not doing nat, so you have no need for another router. Sure if you want an accesspoint for wireless or to add more wired ports great. But to do nat - very unlikely! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591915760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Jolt Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 @sc302, I am using a software firewall that comes with every copy of Windows 7. ;) The set-top box is retarded, I'm waiting for Motorola to contact me about my question I sent them. The set-top boxes in my house are reserving ports somehow and they need to move their fat asses off my network. So the set-top boxes have a website of their own apparently lol, mine are 192.168.1.100:8082 and192.168.1.101:8082. Both say Motorola and need username and password. I'm hoping I can get that from Motorola which in turn will help me get in and hopefully figure out the issue and stop them from reserving critical ports and use ports I would never need. Ok a correction, I have FIOS at two places, those IPs are the ones for the set-top boxes at my other house that doesn't have these issues. This house has one listed in the router's port forward that says 192.168.1.103:63145. Yet now, what angers me, is this doesn't have a login on port 63145 nor port 8082. The logins are not in HTML, they are the kind that use the authentication prompt of the browser itself. What do I do now? I have the Motorola 2500 Set-Top Box. Yes the crappy kind and yet these use ip addresses, what a complete waste of network resources... The set-top box is for my TV, it is not an extra router I'm using. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleNeutrino Veteran Posted December 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted December 1, 2009 sc302 said: FIOS probably provided you with an Actiontec router, guess what that is a firewall too...you adding a router to a system that already has a router makes it a double nat. it is very hard to setup proper port forwards with this setup. get rid of your router, go into the actiontec and port forward till the cows come home.Port forwarding with an actiontec FIOS router: http://www.portforward.com/english/routers...-WR/default.htm exactly what my thoughts were. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Jolt Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 See!!! This is what I'm getting! This makes me so mad right now! Here's the juicy details! http://forums.verizon.com/t5/FiOS-TV-Techn...06AC81257DB6289 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917588 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted December 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted December 1, 2009 Fios comes into your house into a box. From that box it goes into coax. From the coax it gets split up. One of these boxes is what give you your internet connection. This box is the box we need to work with. I have been dealing with Verizon FiOS for a while now and have only seen Actiontec boxes that connect to your pc that offer internet access, sure they could have changed things recently, but this box (the box that your computer would connect to) is the box that we need to configure. I do not believe the Motorola boxes are what we need to worry about. Take a pic or 12 of all of your equipment, from what is hanging on the wall to these motorola boxes (you will not be getting internet from your tv boxes). You have a windows os, I will offer my services to remote in and configure the crap for you, but if you even think about having a router between your computer and your FiOS internet device, I will disconnect and remind you of this message to disconnect your router. FiOS box, computer thats it. computer accesses internet, pm me, i fix. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Jolt Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 If you read the link you would see it is the Remote DVR that is causing the issue even when it's not being used. I checked the boxes, they have IP Addresses on my network. I checked the port forward, it shows the information. How do you explain that IP Address reserving so many ports and leaving me in the dust for nothing is left to forward. DMZ can't even get past this box's ways. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917828 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sc302 Veteran Posted December 1, 2009 Veteran Share Posted December 1, 2009 (edited) so then complain to verizon that you want it fixed. there is nothing that we can do for you being that this is their setting that they have mucked up. I can't imagine a device needing to use every single one fo the 65000 ports available just for dvr. Edited December 1, 2009 by sc302 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Jolt Posted December 1, 2009 Author Share Posted December 1, 2009 I don't own a DVR. A feature called Remote DVR exists on the boxes apparently. Even when it's disabled, it still feels the need to reserve the ports. I have the standard definition boxes from Verizon. Nothing special and yet they reserve an IP Address and then they reserve ports for something called Remote DVR. I assume that is what's going on. 192.168.1.103 is one of the set-top boxes in my house, like any other box in the house. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591917876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted December 2, 2009 MVC Share Posted December 2, 2009 "it still feels the need to reserve the ports" What does?? do you have UPnP enabled? Can you disable that -- that should then give you control over what gets forwarded or not forward.. With UPnP enabled -- devices on your network can request ports get opened to them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591918528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electric Jolt Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 BudMan said: "it still feels the need to reserve the ports"What does?? do you have UPnP enabled? Can you disable that -- that should then give you control over what gets forwarded or not forward.. With UPnP enabled -- devices on your network can request ports get opened to them. The set-top does, and if I can't delete the port forwards and it says "Verizon FIOS Service" and it's coming from coax, I'm sure it's using something slightly different than UPnP just so if it was to be disabled, it could still get around it. I prevented access to the Internet to all 3 set-top boxes, I'm hoping that will not stop them from getting guide data or on demand or anything and I hope it works. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591926942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BudMan MVC Posted December 4, 2009 MVC Share Posted December 4, 2009 Who said it was coming from coax? That is the wan connection used -- is the set top box plugged into your router with ethernet? Then that would be where the UPnP to forwards port to it would come from. Turn off UPnP on the router and see if that forward goes away. You could always just turn it back on if something is no longer working. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/850730-fios-service-conflicting-with-port-forward-rules/#findComment-591929338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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