Cant delete win 7 folder in XP.

[JunkMail]

Firstly, why there are 2 desktop.ini on WinDesktop? (after unhiding all files and folder incl system files)

secondly, Under multi-boot configuration, when booted off from XP, deleting any WIN7 files (inside Windows folder) as administrator is NOT ALLOWED!? even with UNLOCKER? (app we use to delete file(s) locked by system)

thirdly, if MS wanted a back-door, its obviously easy to hide behind those so many GBs.

Fine, Is there any way to delete the file manually (without formating drive?)

Edited December 25, 2009 by Colin-uk
modified title :p

[Colin-uk Veteran]

You dont need many GB's to hide a rootkit, a rootkit could be as little as a few KB.

just because you cant delete a file doesnt mean its a rootkit.

are you trying to delete a file or folder?

you most likely have to give yourself permissions / ownership before you can do anything with it, especially if it is something that was created within another windows OS.

[JunkMail]

Permissions really matter when you are on another OS? I wanted to delete the whole Win7 installation (shift del) and as ADMIN, obviously I'm suppose to have permissions :p Anyways, to satisfy my curiosity, I checked out security tab and I can't modify anything (as if I'm locked out) :o

EDIT: I have permissions to kill any folder except Windows, Boot.... all made by Steve Ballmers :( This couldn't be the work of Bill Gates... no :(

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Of course MS are going to hide a rootkit or backdoor in their operating systems to spy on you. They need to report your suspicious surfing habits to the government after all.

In other news, I have tinfoil hats to sell. Want one?

[JunkMail]

Maybe not by themselves, but they want to leave door open for those forensic dudes (what was the software's name they made? for forensic experts? i forgot) the point is, Its like a welcome door or "O" the "Target" painted on our butts. Am I NOT suppose to feel paranoid now?

[+Anarkii Subscriber²]

Of course MS are going to hide a rootkit or backdoor in their operating systems to spy on you. They need to report your suspicious surfing habits to the government after all.

In other news, I have tinfoil hats to sell. Want one?

:o ill take two!

[JunkMail]

:o ill take two!

I'll not take any till you sell me the formula for deleting Windows folder from XP :p

[+Nik Louch Subscriber²]

Yo want to delete an os from within said OS?

And rootkits?

You clearly are a confused person!

Merry Christmas :)

[JunkMail]

Yo want to delete an os from within said OS?

And rootkits?

You clearly are a confused person!

Merry Christmas :)

Right, I'm guessing you didn't waste your time reading much did you? I cannot delete Windows from winthin, even I know that! I'm talking about deleting Win7 from WinXP (DUAL BOOT). rrright, testing my intelligence are we?

[Colin-uk Veteran]

no, you cant delete a folder created with windows 7 within XP, because only windows 7 has permissions to modify those files and folders. (yes, even in another windows OS, because both OS' use NTFS permissions) in order to do anything with said folders you need to take ownership of them.

if you booted with a linux live Distro like ubuntu you would have no problem deleting them because ubuntu doesnt use NTFS permissions.

[hdood]

Permissions really matter when you are on another OS? I wanted to delete the whole Win7 installation (shift del) and as ADMIN, obviously I'm suppose to have permissions :p

This is not how Windows works. In fact, it's never how Windows has worked, Being an administrator never gives you unrestricted access to everything. All it let's you do is change ACLs. If you aren't in the ACL for a file, then you cannot do anything to the file until you add yourself.

Maybe not by themselves, but they want to leave door open for those forensic dudes (what was the software's name they made? for forensic experts? i forgot) the point is, Its like a welcome door or "O" the "Target" painted on our butts. Am I NOT suppose to feel paranoid now?

Put your tinfoil hat back in the closet. Microsoft has no backdoors in Windows (it would mean the end of Microsoft), and have no magic backdoor software for anyone. What you are thinking about is a utility that let's police officers on scene run a series of automated scripts on a logged-on machine to save volatile information (running processes, network connections, etc) that could be of interest and that would be lost of the machine was powered down. These are plain old utilities and scripts anyone can make, and nothing magic.

[JunkMail]

no, you cant delete a folder created with windows 7 within XP, because only windows 7 has permissions to modify those files and folders. (yes, even in another windows OS, because both OS' use NTFS permissions) in order to do anything with said folders you need to take ownership of them.

if you booted with a linux live Distro like ubuntu you would have no problem deleting them because ubuntu doesnt use NTFS permissions.

Even in my hackintosh OS, I cannot delete this! (and I added Paragon NTFS write support to it, in case that coming next from your brain).

Anyways, how do I take permissions or ownership of that folder now? it will be a nightmare if I have to go through that DOS cave + NTFSDOS etc.

This is not how Windows works. In fact, it's never how Windows has worked, Being an administrator never gives you unrestricted access to everything. All it let's you do is change ACLs. If you aren't in the ACL for a file, then you cannot do anything to the file until you add yourself.

Put your tinfoil hat back in the closet. Microsoft has no backdoors in Windows (it would mean the end of Microsoft), and have no magic backdoor software for anyone. What you are thinking about is a utility that let's police officers on scene run a series of automated scripts on a logged-on machine to save volatile information (running processes, network connections, etc) that could be of interest and that would be lost of the machine was powered down. These are plain old utilities and scripts anyone can make, and nothing magic.

All right, tell me what to do :) i recall 'hdood' to be loaded with information :p

EDIT: you know, the odd thing is that I've always managed to delete WINXP from anywhere, all it required at most was going to security tab and adding my nick and giving it "full control" which doesn't seem to be the case anymore...

Edited December 25, 2009 by JunkMail

[Colin-uk Veteran]

I briefly looked up paragon ntfs write support for mac, i didnt see anywhere that it said it could delete files, i dunno, maybe it takes into ccount permissions too. in that case you would still need to gain ownership.

to gain ownership of a folder created in windows 7, do this:

right click folder > click properties > click advanced button > click owner tab > click your username in the list > check the box that says "replace owner on subcontainers and objects" > click ok > (it may take a while at this stage to replace the permissions on the folder, depending on the folder size). click ok to close the permissions dialog and you should be able to do something with the folder then.

[JunkMail]

yes thats what i did.... all it says is "performing security setting" and I'm back to full permission not able to delete anything :( maybe its a disk error? I'll check and post...

edit: nope, but I got it now!!!! After taking ownership, I had to go back to permissions tab and check this

"Replace permissions entries on all child objects with entries shown here that apply to child objects"

Sometimes I'm an idiot! thanks all anyways

[Raa]

Why don't you just format the drive if you're that paranoid. :huh:

Mmmm I love Windows 7 with it's built in hidden spyware and rootkits! Matches my >3gb of ram being used on 32bit. :rolleyes:

So everyone else, how was your Christmas?

[JunkMail]

Why don't you just format the drive if you're that paranoid. :huh:

Mmmm I love Windows 7 with it's built in hidden spyware and rootkits! Matches my >3gb of ram being used on 32bit. :rolleyes:

So everyone else, how was your Christmas?

When something doesn't work your way, it takes little time, but after that time you start the annoying "why", and there unwillingly your become paranoid. (ofcourse I'm talking about me here :p)

anyways, I never wanted to DEL Win7 its just that I accidently restored XP backup (from RAR SFX) ON Win7 (where things got corrupted due to my so called "stupidity", which again i regret)

[soldier1st]

can you prove those 2 files on the desktop are spyware or rootkits?xp had 1 and 7 has 2 but thats normal as far as i know unless you can prove me wrong, where is brandon where you need him to help the op understand the 2 files.

[spaceelf]

Why don't you just format the drive if you're that paranoid. :huh:

Mmmm I love Windows 7 with it's built in hidden spyware and rootkits! Matches my >3gb of ram being used on 32bit. :rolleyes:

So everyone else, how was your Christmas?

Full of the best rootkits I've ever used, and a new machine that's too flaky to use them for what I want to use them for. (Hopefully I can perfect it soon.)

[smooth_criminal1990]

Fine, Is there any way to delete the file manually (without formating drive?)

1.Get a Linux live CD

2.Boot into it and use the file browser to delete said file

3.Reboot into Windows and bask in the magnificence of having deleted said file!

edit: yeah, I think most Windows versions have 2 desktop.ini files on the desktop. Why or how is beyond me, all I know is that all the desktop.ini files are used for Windows to remember your preferred layout/sorting options of icons. I doubt you could do much harm with one of those.

edit2: You can probably recover the win7 installation if you just boot off the Windows 7 disk and tell it to repair your installation.

[JunkMail]

can you prove those 2 files on the desktop are spyware or rootkits?xp had 1 and 7 has 2 but thats normal as far as i know unless you can prove me wrong, where is brandon where you need him to help the op understand the 2 files.

Of all the questions I have in my head, i would like answer for this one too

[spaceelf]

One of them is in the public desktop folder and one of them is in your private desktop folder. They're really not the same file.

[Colin-uk Veteran]

I'm glad you managed to get it working how you want :)

I'm going to change the thread title now to stop a war breaking out :p

[JunkMail]

One of them is in the public desktop folder and one of them is in your private desktop folder. They're really not the same file.

:o so its "User" and "All user" folder issue? hmmm, well I could have found this on my own but then I'm tooooooo lazy (specially when I'm paranoid about something)

I'm glad you managed to get it working how you want :)

I'm going to change the thread title now to stop a war breaking out :p

You can stop the way, but I'll do that (its the HAT's fault)

[Udedenkz]

EDIT: Should have read.

The two ini files on desktops are there because desktop is actually locate in two places. The only overlap between those two places are the ini files.