F1 World Championship 2010 Thread

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

You can't deny though that MSC is very experienced when it comes to team orders.

'Rubens it's last lap let Michael pass for the championship.'

[Richard Hammond]

Haha true.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

FP2 result:

[Subject Delta]

So should Hamilton be stripped the title bcoz Heikki let him past in 08 at the same track? Get over it seriously...

Yep, we all clearly heard Ron Dennis getting on the radio saying "Heikki... Lewis is faster than you. Please confirm that you understood that message"

There is no evidence that McLaren used team orders in '08, no incriminating radio traffic. You can only punish someone if you have evidence of wrongdoing.

[ahmz]

Yep, we all clearly heard Ron Dennis getting on the radio saying "Heikki... Lewis is faster than you. Please confirm that you understood that message"

There is no evidence that McLaren used team orders in '08, no incriminating radio traffic. You can only punish someone if you have evidence of wrongdoing.

The "evidence" is that Heikki, a racing driver, moved out of the way and let his team mate pass him. We can all agree that no racing driver would do that if the team didn't instruct him to one way or another. The public also does not receive the same information that the stewards do. Let's not be naive. But in either case there was no clear instruction of team orders, you can read into it all you like but the "evidence" is not there, which is why the WMSC made the right decision and the FIA will be reviewing the regulation.

[Subject Delta]

The "evidence" is that Heikki, a racing driver, moved out of the way and let his team mate pass him. We can all agree that no racing driver would do that if the team didn't instruct him to one way or another. The public also does not receive the same information that the stewards do. Let's not be naive. But in either case there was no clear instruction of team orders, you can read into it all you like but the "evidence" is not there, which is why the WMSC made the right decision and the FIA will be reviewing the regulation.

That didn't actually happen at the Italian GP in 2008 come to think of it, Heikki finished 2nd, Lewis 7th. If you are referring to Silverstone or Hockenheim.. Well I will concede that you have a point with Hockenheim, it did look contrived but with Silverstone, Lewis was about 2s a lap faster than Heikki at that point, he probably pulled that pass by himself. Still, as I said, McLaren implemented it all quietly, Ferrari hung themselves in public, AND lied to the fans and media about it after. Whatever way you look at it, they screwed up badly.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

FP3 result:

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

And the qualifying result.

Does anyone else think there will be chaos in the first chicane right after the start given this grid?

[ViZioN]

And the qualifying result.

Does anyone else think there will be chaos in the first chicane right after the start given this grid?

Yep I predict much pain and broken bits of F1 cars.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Another factor to keep in mind for tomorrow: A lap of Monza == 70% full throttle. A lot of drivers have engines which are close to EOL.

There shall be fireworks in the last 3rd of the race.

[ViZioN]

Another factor to keep in mind for tomorrow: A lap of Monza == 70% full throttle. A lot of drivers have engines which are close to EOL.

There shall be fireworks in the last 3rd of the race.

Yeah I thought about that too. Legard mentioned that Ferrari have used 8/8 engines (or is it 8 per driver)? Either way, it could wreck his title chances if one fails.

[.mcman]

What a disappointing result for Lewis. Hopefully he will improve tomorrow.

Yeah I thought about that too. Legard mentioned that Ferrari have used 8/8 engines (or is it 8 per driver)? Either way, it could wreck his title chances if one fails.

nah, that rule is stupid, they will pay 100 grand instead... :)

[ViZioN]

What a disappointing result for Lewis. Hopefully he will improve tomorrow.

nah, that rule is stupid, they will pay 100 grand instead... :)

100 grand for what? They get a 10 place grid penalty if they use a 9th engine, and a further 10 place penalty for any further engine after that.

[.mcman]

100 grand for what? They get a 10 place grid penalty if they use a 9th engine, and a further 10 place penalty for any further engine after that.

I was joking.

[Lovell]

100 grand for what? They get a 10 place grid penalty if they use a 9th engine, and a further 10 place penalty for any further engine after that.

It's called a joke, you know because Ferrari break the rules and only ever pay a pathetic fine. :p

[Subject Delta]

I don't forsee the engine issue being a problem, as all but 3 drivers are using brand new engines for this grand prix, however, particularly for Ferrari and Red Bull, it could become an issue as the season draws to a close. McLaren have the edge on the engine front IMO

[ahmz]

Great pole position by Alonso, the only man in the 1:21s! Hopefully can carry it through to the race.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

What kind of start was that? Alonso seemed to be asleep, the chaos in the first chicane was not as bad as I expected it to be, and Hamilton's move on Alonso was.... over-optimistic.

[ahmz]

Too bad Lewis running into the side of Massa, but it's good for the championship and for Webber.

Should be interesting to see if Button can hold back the Ferraris!

[Richard Hammond]

F*****G Alonso trying to bump Jenson off and damage his car what a peice of s***.

[ahmz]

Great win by Alonso in front of the home crowd. Great drives by Alonso and Button.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Decent race. Congratulations to Alonso - he clearly was the fastest on track today.

RBR's strategy gamble with Vettel paid off in the end, keeping his title chances intact.

This weekend's Reject of the Race: Lewis Hamilton. You just don't throw away like that.

Lastly: I thought we'd see more mechanical failures than we did.

[.mcman]

Seriously, why Button pitted before Alonso. Vettel's tires held up pretty good and Jenson's setup was supposed to benefit tires even more. Such a shame after fantastic first part of the race.

[brentaal]

F*****G Alonso trying to bump Jenson off and damage his car what a peice of s***.

Um, what? When did that happen?

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

Decent enough race, Hamilton threw away his chance to get a margin in the championship. Alonso kept his nose clean enough after the encounter with button, I wouldn't put it all down to that incident the strategy Ferrari side was better. Hulkenberg on the other hand, 3 corner cuts defending a line.. I'm shocked that wasn't investigated.

PROVISIONAL RACE RESULTS

The Italian Grand Prix
Autodromo di Monza, Italy;
53 laps; 306.720km;
Weather: Sunny.

Classified:

Pos  Driver        Team                       Time
 1.  Alonso        Ferrari                    1h16:24.572
 2.  Button        McLaren-Mercedes           +     2.938
 3.  Massa         Ferrari                    +     4.223
 4.  Vettel        Red Bull-Renault           +    28.193
 5.  Rosberg       Mercedes                   +    29.942
 6.  Webber        Red Bull-Renault           +    31.276
 7.  Hulkenberg    Williams-Cosworth          +    32.812
 8.  Kubica        Renault                    +    34.028
 9.  Schumacher    Mercedes                   +    44.948
10.  Barrichello   Williams-Cosworth          +  1:04.200
11.  Buemi         Toro Rosso-Ferrari         +   1:05.00
12.  Liuzzi        Force India-Mercedes       +  1:06.100
13.  Petrov        Renault                    +  1:18.900
14.  De la Rosa    Sauber-Ferrari             +     1 lap
15.  Alguersuari   Toro Rosso-Ferrari         +     1 lap
16.  Sutil         Force India-Mercedes       +     1 lap
17.  Glock         Virgin-Cosworth            +    2 laps
18.  Kovalainen    Lotus-Cosworth             +    2 laps
19.  Di Grassi     Virgin-Cosworth            +    2 laps
20.  Yamamoto      HRT-Cosworth               +    2 laps

Fastest lap: Alonso, 1:24.139

Not classified/retirements:

Driver        Team                         On lap
Trulli        Lotus-Cosworth               47
Senna         HRT-Cosworth                 12
Hamilton      McLaren-Mercedes             1
Kobayashi     Sauber-Ferrari               1


World Championship standings, round 14:                

Drivers:                    Constructors:             
 1.  Webber       187        1.  Red Bull-Renault          350
 2.  Hamilton     182        2.  McLaren-Mercedes          347
 3.  Alonso       166        3.  Ferrari                   290
 4.  Button       165        4.  Mercedes                  158
 5.  Vettel       163        5.  Renault                   127
 6.  Massa        124        6.  Force India-Mercedes       58
 7.  Rosberg      112        7.  Williams-Cosworth          47
 8.  Kubica       108        8.  Sauber-Ferrari             27
 9.  Schumacher    46        9.  Toro Rosso-Ferrari         10
10.  Sutil         45       
11.  Barrichello   31       
12.  Kobayashi     21       
13.  Petrov        19       
14.  Hulkenberg    16       
15.  Liuzzi        13       
16.  Buemi          7       
17.  De la Rosa     6       
18.  Alguersuari    3