F1 World Championship 2010 Thread

[san.W10]

:rofl:

Formula One teams have been forced to stay in brothels...

...due to a lack of hotel rooms at the Korean Grand Prix.

Hotels around the Yeongam track, which is some 350 miles away from South Korean capital Seoul, have been overwhelmed by demand.

And while drivers and team bosses have found normal rooms, many staff and pit crew have been forced into ?150-a-night 'love hotels' where they have reported finding unsanitary conditions - and even piles of used condoms beneath the beds.

"One of the Sauber mechanics was asked if he also wanted a girl for the week," one F1 insider told The Sun.

"And one of the hospitality girls is convinced her room was 'let out' for a few hours while she was away."

The race was only given the green light two weeks ago after FIA race director Charlie Whiting completed a two-day inspection - although drivers including Jenson Button and Jarno Trulli have questioned its safety.

Red Bull star Sebastian Vettel praised the circuit, but joined in criticism of the lack of accommodation.

"The only thing they could probably finish in the future is the hotel situation for a lot of team members," said the German.

Eurosport

http://eurosport.yahoo.com/22102010/58/f1-teams-forced-stay-brothels.html

[Subject Delta]

RBR's renault failed b'coz they ran far longer than race time (2hours)? :p

No... the mileage was the same.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Red Bull ready to evaluate team tactics

Red Bull Racing says it will consider before the Brazilian Grand Prix whether it now needs to impose team tactics between its drivers, amid pressure on it to throw all its weight behind Mark Webber.

On the back of a disastrous Korean Grand Prix, which saw both Webber and team-mate Sebastian Vettel retire from the race, the outfit's troubles let Ferrari's Fernando Alonso move to the head of the championship standings.

And with Vettel now 25 points adrift of Alonso, and 14 off Webber, Red Bull Racing could run the risk of handing the title to Ferrari if its drivers take points off each other.

If Vettel heads home a Red Bull Racing 1-2 in the final two races of the season, Alonso would still win the championship if he finished third in both races.

Although Red Bull Racing does not want to move Vettel into playing a supporting role for Webber just yet, team principal Christian Horner said after the Korean Grand Prix that the outfit may need to work out the benefits and pitfalls of using tactics from the Interlagos event.

When asked if the team would consider swapping positions between its drivers in Brazil to give Webber a bigger haul, Horner said: "I haven't had time to look at all the mathematics and scenarios, but it is something that we will look at pretty closely between now and Brazil.

"Obviously the objective for both of them is to be ahead of Fernando and Lewis, as we achieved in qualifying in Korea."

Despite opening up the prospect of a tactical approach to Brazil, Horner said it was too early to make Webber its number one driver.

"As you saw in this grand prix, the championship leader changed between three different drivers at three different points of the race, and we gifted Fernando Alonso 25 points, which is obviously frustrating.

"This championship will go to the last lap in Abu Dhabi I believe. Mark retains P2 in the championship and Sebastian has now dropped to fourth, but there is still only a race win between Sebastian in fourth and Alonso in the lead.

"And how many times have we seen this year the championship to and fro? So it is impossible to predict what will happen in Brazil and Abu Dhabi."

Despite the disappointment of its Korean GP, Horner says his team will regroup strongly for Brazil - where Webber won last year.

"Sometimes motor racing can be cruel," he said. "We saw the highs of it two weeks ago in Japan and we have seen the lows of it here and, as a team, we win together and we lose together. We will fight back strongly in Brazil."

Source: Autosport

[ViZioN]

Well

My first comment... Modern F1 drivers are a bunch of nancies. 10 years ago they would have jumped into the cars and just gotten the hell on with it. I can understand the need for safety, bur frankly I think a line was crossed today, the safety car was out for far longer than it needed to be.

Maybe, maybe not. The problem is that it's not just the drivers who make he decision. Sure they have some input, but ultimately it comes down to the race director who has a fair bit of responsibility on his shoulders. At the end of the day, the drivers would've got on with it if they'd been told to race, but it's hard to race when you can't see where you're driving.

[ahmz]

Red Bull ready to evaluate team tactics

Oh that's kind of hypocritical of them isn't it? :) Just because Ferrari were smart enough to know that Massa wouldn't have a chance in the 2nd half the season and started playing the game early, everyone blasted them.. but now look who's joining the party.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Oh that's kind of hypocritical of them isn't it? :) Just because Ferrari were smart enough to know that Massa wouldn't have a chance in the 2nd half the season and started playing the game early, everyone blasted them.. but now look who's joining the party.

RBR would be daft if they didn't focus on Webber now. It's not hypocritical - it's the right thing to do if they want to win the WDC. Tough luck for Sebastian Vettel.

[enigma-penguin Veteran]

If Alonso wins another WDC I'm going to drown him in his own girly tears.

[Chasethebase Veteran]

If Alonso wins another WDC I'm going to drown him in his own girly tears.

Agreed. I really want Webber to win.

[ViZioN]

Agreed. I really want Webber to win.

Me too, although I'd really have liked Hamilton or Button to take it, but I can't see it now.

[Subject Delta]

Maybe, maybe not. The problem is that it's not just the drivers who make he decision. Sure they have some input, but ultimately it comes down to the race director who has a fair bit of responsibility on his shoulders. At the end of the day, the drivers would've got on with it if they'd been told to race, but it's hard to race when you can't see where you're driving.

I disagree, the drivers just use it to promote their own agendas, and the agendas of their teams. Just looking at the contrasting behaviour of Lewis, Webber, and Alonso puts that point out. In the past, we have always been able to go racing in wet conditions, and the last time somebody got seriously injured was way back in 1994, and the conditions in that GP (Suzuka, the guy injured was Brundle) where far worse than they where yesterday.

[Nicholas-c Veteran]

Very interesting race... and certainly leaves both drivers and constructors very open again! Feel really sorry for button that he is pretty much out of it now (still mathematically possible just highly unlikely...) Webber all the way.

[Crazysah]

I want anyone but Hamilton to win. Preferably Webber or maybe Alonso!

[deuz]

Obviously i'm going for webber as first choice. Even though i don't like alonso, ive been swayed to go for him over vettel.

edit: so far alonso has been gifted this championship, so it will be be a fun ending.

[ahmz]

Berger reckons Webber tried to take out rivals. I don't think he did, while it's strange he didn't brake, maybe there was something wrong with the car or he was trying to roll back off the racing line.

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/32266.html

[Richard Hammond]

Oh that's kind of hypocritical of them isn't it? :) Just because Ferrari were smart enough to know that Massa wouldn't have a chance in the 2nd half the season and started playing the game early, everyone blasted them.. but now look who's joining the party.

No there is a HUGE difference between team TACTICS and team ORDERS.

[Chasethebase Veteran]

Alonso is a giant <insert word here> and doesn't deserve to win. Ever.

[Grepus]

Berger reckons Webber tried to take out rivals. I don't think he did, while it's strange he didn't brake, maybe there was something wrong with the car or he was trying to roll back off the racing line.

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/32266.html

You have to also consider that Webber would have been trying with everything he had to recover the car to be able to finish the race. Did you see Button do something similar later on? : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jb8CuJMrZmE

[Lovell]

Obviously i'm going for webber as first choice. Even though i don't like alonso, ive been swayed to go for him over vettel.

edit: so far alonso has been gifted this championship, so it will be be a fun ending.

Webber and Vettel were gifted this championship and managed to screw it up Alonso has only had a decent car since Germany and since then has came 1-2-Ret-1-1-3-1, I really dislike Alonso I don't believe that every Constructor he's been with has been involved in a major scandal is a coincidence, but he's doing what any champion does he gets a good car and then wins unlike Webber and Vettel I like Webber, but personally I don't believe either of those 2 has what it takes to be a champion they've had a car which has been 1 second a lap faster than the others and what do they have to show for it? Vettels been on pole 9 times and has only won 3 races; this championship should have been over ages ago instead Webbers 2nd and Vettels 4th even Hamilton is ahead of Vettel and only 10 points behind Webber and he hasn't had a decent car this entire season, unless Red Bulls Tactics include making Vettel wipe out Alonso I can't see Webber winning; then again considering the amount of cars Red Bull have wiped out it wouldn't surprise me if that was there tactic. :whistle:

[ahmz]

"Red Bull boss Christian Horner has declared it is still too early for the team to throw its full weight behind Mark Webber and will continue to give Sebastian Vettel an equal title shot." -Autosport

Good news for Ferrari and Alonso... IMO they should have supported Webber after he won the Hungarian GP, he and RBR would have won the title by now.

[brentaal]

Alonso is a giant <insert word here> and doesn't deserve to win. Ever.

As opposed to... Webber/Vettel/Hamilton who have oh-so-much better personalities?

[Subject Delta]

Berger reckons Webber tried to take out rivals. I don't think he did, while it's strange he didn't brake, maybe there was something wrong with the car or he was trying to roll back off the racing line.

http://en.espnf1.com/redbull/motorsport/story/32266.html

I don't buy it at all. He made a mistake. His biggest threat at that time was vettel because he had the same equipment and was ahead. Webber had a points lead and would have gained nothing from taking Alonso out, just a big fat loss to seb who was in front of him and impossible to take out in that manner.

These conspiracy theories seem to get more and more crazy all the time :/

[Lovell]

I don't buy it at all. He made a mistake. His biggest threat at that time was vettel because he had the same equipment and was ahead. Webber had a points lead and would have gained nothing from taking Alonso out, just a big fat loss to seb who was in front of him and impossible to take out in that manner.

These conspiracy theories seem to get more and more crazy all the time :/

He would have gained 1st place if he took Alonso out, what there saying is that when he crashed rather than braking he decided to try and take someone else out, although split second decision I doubt when he crashed into the wall he decided to do anything.

[ahmz]

Horner said Mark was trying to recover the car instead of pinning it against the wall.

[Subject Delta]

He would have gained 1st place if he took Alonso out, what there saying is that when he crashed rather than braking he decided to try and take someone else out, although split second decision I doubt when he crashed into the wall he decided to do anything.

He wouldn't because at that point he didn't know Vettel's engine was going to blow. If Vettel had gone on to win that race, taking Alonso out would not have done him any favours because he would still have lost ground to vettel.

From what I know of Mark, he simply hit the wall, thought the situation was recoverable, was a bit aggressive with the throttle and it span him round. After the first impact any damage to the car was imperceptible, it would have been perfectly reasonable for him to have thought he could continue. Mark can be a bit over eager at times, but I certainly do not see him as the kind of driver that would purposely attempt to take out another competitor. He's a very straight and honest bloke.

[+Frank B. Subscriber²]

Sure, Webber was going to risk a car hitting his frontally or t-boning him. Sure.

This is one of the more absurd conspiracy theories I've read lately. Interesting to see it come from Gerhard Berger though - he's good friends with Dieter Mateschitz (owner of RBR). Could this be a not very subtle attempt at psychological warfare? It's no secret that the team are favouring Vettel.