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Rubbish. I know that for people who didn't read the books it must seem to be a great episode and from a certain perspective, it is.. but it just could have been so much better.

In the books, it was way more shocking and emotional. But what is most outrageous is that in the tv show, Robb brought Talisa (Jayne in the books) to the wedding. He would never have done that, never, it's incredibly stupid, not only does he put her at risk (and her child too!) but it also insults Walder Frey. In the books this didn't happen. I think they did it because in the books, there were a lot more Robb's bannermen at the wedding, which made the red wedding very shocking. In the show, there are almost no bannermen so they put Talisa there insted. Terrible idea.

I don't understand DW & DB, they say this was the most important scene in the whole series, and when they finally get around to actually shoot it, they totally f**k it up.

Rubbish. I know that for people who didn't read the books it must seem to be a great episode and from a certain perspective, it is.. but it just could have been so much better.

In the books, it was way more shocking and emotional. But what is most outrageous is that in the tv show, Robb brought Talisa (Jayne in the books) to the wedding. He would never have done that, never, it's incredibly stupid, not only does he put her at risk (and her child too!) but it also insults Walder Frey. In the books this didn't happen. I think they did it because in the books, there were a lot more Robb's bannermen at the wedding, which made the red wedding very shocking. In the show, there are almost no bannermen so they put Talisa there insted. Terrible idea.

I don't understand DW & DB, they say this was the most important scene in the whole series, and when they finally get around to actually shoot it, they totally f**k it up.

Oh please...

More emotional? How?

I don't always like everything they change, but they've managed to capture the essence wonderfully. In fact, having Talisa there was important for a gigantic reason: show Robb is a much more developed character compared to book Robb. This doubles the tragedy as it was mostly Catelyn's downfall in the books. Here, it's a double punch in the gut.

Robb basically dies the second he realizes that Talisa has died. Catelyn dies the second she sees Robb falling on his knees.

As for the bannerman, none are really important. We got a glimpse of Wendel Manderly just to have some continuity when they come into play, and that's all that's needed.

Seriously, this was as emotional as the book, if not even more, as they've upped the ante by murdering Talisa first. Not saying that Robb couldn't have hidden her, but that also just adds to the tragedy when you think about it.

As a book reader, this was by far one of the most important scenes and I really have nothing to complain about. Nothing.

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Rubbish. I know that for people who didn't read the books it must seem to be a great episode and from a certain perspective, it is.. but it just could have been so much better.

In the books, it was way more shocking and emotional. But what is most outrageous is that in the tv show, Robb brought Talisa (Jayne in the books) to the wedding. He would never have done that, never, it's incredibly stupid, not only does he put her at risk (and her child too!) but it also insults Walder Frey. In the books this didn't happen. I think they did it because in the books, there were a lot more Robb's bannermen at the wedding, which made the red wedding very shocking. In the show, there are almost no bannermen so they put Talisa there insted. Terrible idea.

I don't understand DW & DB, they say this was the most important scene in the whole series, and when they finally get around to actually shoot it, they totally f**k it up.

I can't think of anything more shocking and emotional than

Talisa and her unborn child's murder

. JFTR, I have not read the books.

I just can't get my head round it all. Robb was probably my favourite character.

I do own the books but I haven't got round to it. Luckily I've finished uni for the summer so I have alot of reading to catch up on.

But seriously, goddam. That was so unexpected and shocking. I shouted out while watching it and my brother tweeted "Dans screaming at Game of Thrones again, what a douche". He just doesn't understand!

This thread is a minefield for people who haven't read the books. People should keep book discussions out of it, even in spoiler tags as this thread is supposed to be about the show.

I know what you mean, having to tread soo carefully making sure I don't accidentally roll over the wrong spoiler tags. or read something I didn't wan't to.

'Game of Thrones' is "nearly halfway" over, say show execs

Game of Thrones is "nearly halfway" through its run, showrunner David Benioff has said.

Benioff and co-showrunner Dan Weiss told the Los Angeles Times that while the HBO fantasy drama's total number of seasons is "to be determined", they are keen for the show not to "outstay [its] welcome".

"There is a tendency, I think, if something goes well, you want to stick with it and just keep it going forever and ever," Benioff said.

"As much fun as we're having with this... part of the reason we love this story so much is because it's a single story. This very much has a beginning and an end and we're nearly halfway there."

Weiss added: "The point going into it was that we wanted to start at the beginning and work our way through to the end, work our way through to the point beyond which there was no reason to keep telling the story because it was over.

"How long exactly that's going to take and what form it's going to take is obviously something that needs to be determined as we go."

Game of Thrones producer Frank Vogler has revealed that he expects the show to span seven seasons.

"[The total number of seasons] is being discussed as we speak," Vogler explained at May's BAFTA Television Awards.

"I would hope that, if we all survive, and if the audience stays with us we'll probably get through to seven seasons."

Game of Thrones airs on HBO in the US and on Sky Atlantic in the UK.

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