What language is microsoft's software made in?

[Adrian]

hey every1,

plz could someone tell me what language microsoft is made in?

thanx

Adrian.

p.s. i was ment to say what language is microsoft's software made in as the topic title

[mr_daemon]

Hey mot that perl applet is quite neat.

However, you never ident your code? It hurts my eyes reading ;P

I myself know VB because I was forced to do it and then switched to PHP

PHP is mostly underrated, I mean, you CAN write shell scripts with PHP if you want XD

You can also write rather complete application using the GTK+ classes. PHP was incredibly easy for me to learn because it looked ALOT like C/C++ syntax wise. And you can do OOP in PHP. I bought the Programming PHP book from O'Reilly and read it through and oh man, I was so amazed at the quantity of things I never even tought possible with PHP. I just love the way PHP works, I wish it was lower level than just a scripting one :)

But it's still a language. I think VB is not really a language more than PHP in my humble opinion, if I may say so.

But you know, i'm more of a network guy than a programmer -- I work as a network admin at the moment, and will get my RHCE in november -- I love Linux.

I would like to learn Perl at some point. I read through your code and was able to understand around 85% of it, PHP and Perl have MANY similarities.. Python interests me alot too.

Oh well, so to answer your question, maybe you should look into the .NET plaftorm you know, MS says it's the future. Well they say that about Java too... but I hate Java and the slow ass runtimes -- again that's just me.

(they ditched C and C++ classes at my college to replace them with Java and VB. The worst deception of my entire life. Also the worst decision EVER IMHO.)

I'm starting my own little buisness with a friend of mine. We'll program web software and offer web hosting, customization services and support, just for fun mostly, but if it lasts... hey why not.

EDIT: I changed "Python attires me" for "Python attracts me" to finally decide on "Python interests me."

I was thinking in french at the moment for some strange reason. D?sol?!i>

[Adrian]

Hi, can i just get something straight, when you say java, thats the one developed by Sun right?

[mr_daemon]

Myep mostly. Jakarta Tomcat runtime in my case.

MS' Java is like... polluted.

[Adrian]

Am I also right saying that J# has something to do with Java?

[mot]

uhh J# ???...never heard of it, yes Java was developed by sun (not related to javascript in anyway)

[Adrian]

Im sure i have heard of J# somewhere. I think its in Microsoft Visual Studio.net Professional.

[mot]

all of these microsoft garbage products, blah

[vespaman]

well, i'm not a programmer..

but what i know that in my campus now for all of the students in CIS/MIS major who have taken C++ or C (i'm not very sure) classes...they have to take Java classes for one or two...i'm not sure the reason but i'm assuming Java is getting popular?...my campus is cleveland state univ., ohio

[azcodemonkey]

J# is the Java language for the .NET framework. It doesn't compile to Java-bytecode, and it won't run on a Java JRE/JVM.

I wouldn't call .NET garbage. It is probably the singlemost important move MS has made in development tools, and it doesn't suck.

[futb0l]

J# is just microsoft .net version of Java ... I have Microsoft Visual J# .NET 2002... :) it's an add-on pack to Visual Studio .NET...

btw, I think you should get Thinking in C++, by Bruce Eckel, it's hellagood!

Thinking in Java is also good but not as goood as the C++ book

[CitruS]

C was made for Unix, why would Microsoft's Applications be written in it? BASIC makes more sense.

[CitruS]

Hey mot that perl applet is quite neat.

However, you never ident your code? It hurts my eyes reading ;P

I myself know VB because I was forced to do it and then switched to PHP

PHP is mostly underrated, I mean, you CAN write shell scripts with PHP if you want XD

You can also write rather complete application using the GTK+ classes. PHP was incredibly easy for me to learn because it looked ALOT like C/C++ syntax wise. And you can do OOP in PHP. I bought the Programming PHP book from O'Reilly and read it through and oh man, I was so amazed at the quantity of things I never even tought possible with PHP. I just love the way PHP works, I wish it was lower level than just a scripting one :)

But it's still a language. I think VB is not really a language more than PHP in my humble opinion, if I may say so.

But you know, i'm more of a network guy than a programmer -- I work as a network admin at the moment, and will get my RHCE in november -- I love Linux.

I would like to learn Perl at some point. I read through your code and was able to understand around 85% of it, PHP and Perl have MANY similarities.. Python interests me alot too.

Oh well, so to answer your question, maybe you should look into the .NET plaftorm you know, MS says it's the future. Well they say that about Java too... but I hate Java and the slow ass runtimes -- again that's just me.

(they ditched C and C++ classes at my college to replace them with Java and VB. The worst deception of my entire life. Also the worst decision EVER IMHO.)

I'm starting my own little buisness with a friend of mine. We'll program web software and offer web hosting, customization services and support, just for fun mostly, but if it lasts... hey why not.

EDIT: I changed "Python attires me" for "Python attracts me" to finally decide on "Python interests me."

I was thinking in french at the moment for some strange reason. D?sol?!i>

PHP CAN write shell scripts but Perl and Python are more suited for the job.

[CitruS]

Now, though, i've moved onto things such as C++/C#, Perl (THE best) and dare I say PHP? (If you know perl, you pretty much know php :p go to irc.freenode.net #perl and tell them (us) otherwise ;) )

Yes, if you go as far as if-else statements, variables and the dollar sign. But past that, they have many differences.

[mot]

Uhh, there's a LOT of similar syntax. I can read and understand [most of ~85%] some pretty complicated PHP scripts, and i've never studied it

[Tobbe]

C was made for Unix, why would Microsoft's Applications be written in it? BASIC makes more sense.

Unix was first written in assembly langauge, but then they created C and then they wrote Unix in C.

C is just a normal language... and does not have a Unix specific syntax.

[PKHelloNasty]

You would think if MS was smart, wouldn't they write windows at an assembly language level? maybe I always over estimeted what they do at Microsoft.

In my past years I learned quite a few languages.

ASP - I persoanlly think its sort of out, due to php (but its alot like VB so good to know)

PHP - quickly becoming theinternet standard. powerful, easy, if configured correctly with apache is probably the most secure (dont quote me).

PERL - teo years ago it was cool, but again, php is taking over.

JAVA - another one used greatly on the net. Also good for general purpose. kind of a intermix between web development and program devolopment

VB - good for the quick and dirty program. Not the best on recources. EASY to learn and use. Powerful enough for testing programs ect.

.NET - The fresh new taste of VB, however in order for another computer to run the program you created, they need the .NET framework, which doesn't come standard on any systems yet (maybe 2003, doubt it). so if you want deal with this hassel as well, its good. I know Longhorn will have it. Just bad MS timing i suppose. :)

C - came before C++, a little better on recources than C++, but a little trickier to learn the syntax for some of the simplier applications.

C++ - The leading program standard right now. Good on recources, good for general programming.

PASCAL - old old old dont bother unless you want to learn another syntax.

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MICROCODE - hehe, not really useful unless you are making your own processor chip. This links assembly code to the binary code which a chip interprets.

M68K ASSEMBLY - I didn't like this at all once I started useing HC12. it was a pain in the butt to do simple things. However it was proabably better on recources.

HC12 ASSEMBLY - I like this alot, seems to be good on recouces. definetly better than any non assembly language. Easy to use, pain to configure as each program needs its own configuration to it, and must initilize ram itself.

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All in all I would say the top dog is C++. Assembly is good to know just so you know the root of programming, and appreciate the easyness you have to work with when you use any high level language.

[Adrian]

so would you recommend users learning c then c++ then c#

[hunter1234]

Start out with VB first...

Windows is made in C, C++ and ASM for low-level things... already said though.

ugh i hate ASM. i learned ASM for this simulated computer call the LC-2, that was a pain in the ass. But I agree with the posts earlier, start with VB, then C then C++, then whatever else. Try Python also, it's easy and fun to learn.

[Adrian]

what program would you use to program in

C?

C++?

and

ASM?

is visual studio a possible answer for the second 1?

[John Veteran]

visual studio .net will compile vb.net, c++.net and c#.net. there's an add-on for it that compiles j#.net (java for .net).

[_Pablo]

As stated by someone previously, most Microsoft software is written in C++ and the operating system will have some assembly for perfomance reasons. Microsoft have stated that their long term aim is to use as much .net in future (Longhorn for a start) as is possible and my personal opinion is that they would use C++.net and C# to do this (as opposed to VB/J#/F# etc). The .net framework comes with Windows Server 2003 and will come with all future Windows so it's presence will soon be assumed.

Linux, Unix, Embedded OS' are all mostly written in C++, including a great deal of the open source projects. Most shrink-wrapped commercial software titles including games are also written in C++.

However, when it comes to internet applications and in-house projects the range of languages explodes. In my company most new internet work on serious projects is based on Java (J2EE Beans, Servlets, JSP) with Oracle - but as the costs bite and trust builds LAMP (Linux/Apache/MySQL/PHP) is becoming a serious contender for lower budget projects. Perl is always good to glue things together quickly and quietly but I know many developers who sware by it and would write everything with it if allowed!

Database driven applications for internal use have mostly been done in VB as it's quick (& dirty) - but good enough for the task or with proprietaty tools (Oracle forms/PL-SQL for example).

So on this basis I think you need to decide what it is you want to program:

If you want to work in a Microsoft focused environment in the future then any .net ready language (my choice would be C#) because learning how to use the Microsoft .Net Framework is the biggest task!

OS/Commercial Apps/Low Level(Drivers etc)/Performance/Games then it's still C++ - be aware that to be truly competent at C++ you need discipline (if your sloppy then pointers, memory handling etc can easily create nasty bugs and security problems!) and it takes a long time (several projects over the past few years and i'd say I still have lots to learn).

For big budget, non-MS web work then it's Java whilst for lower budget web work there are lots of languages Perl/PHP/Python et al.

- Whatever you do, try and master one or two as opposed to skim over ten.

- Stay away from pre .Net VB if possible as it teaches you bad habits (crappy error handling, leaving out option explicit etc!).

- Remember you can always be a better programmer, so keep learning.

Hope that helps.

[mr_daemon]

PHP CAN write shell scripts but Perl and Python are more suited for the job

I know. PHP sucks for sh' at the moment >.<

[John Veteran]

my personal opinion is that they would use C++.net and C# to do this (as opposed to VB/J#/F# etc).

what's f# :blink:

[azcodemonkey]

what's f# :blink:

Fortran? lol!

The only thing C++ in Windows is GDI+, and a few of the services and protocols. MFC is not the core API for Windows. The core API( not implementation ) is all C. The shell is COM based... I can't believe this thread is still going... and I'm contributing to its longevity... :p

[John Veteran]

fortran? you're kidding... :wacko: