WP7 & HTC Sense 3

[fix-this!]

wp7 concept

if wp7 & sense look anything like that i may go back to winmo!

[neo158]

Doesn't look too bad for a concept, but it's just tiles with a different look.

Sense just makes... well.... Sense on WinMo 6.5 and below and on Android but on WP7 it just doesn't, stock WP7 please HTC

[Prince Charming]

I'm going to throw this in here before anyone gets confused, as this has happened before;

this is a user generated concept and is not from HTC or Microsoft. It's just a user's idea of what something could look like.

[mad_onion]

They aren't allowed to theme/change the interface like they are on android. So nothing like this will happen.

[Colin-uk Veteran]

yeah, thats not official. just concept art, says below the pic lol.

[UndergroundWire]

They aren't allowed to theme/change the interface like they are on android. So nothing like this will happen.

Please get your facts straight. Even though HTC is not allowed to modify the core experience like in the previous versions of the OS, they can still augment it with their special sauce (Sense).

"Engadget is reporting via Forbes that the Sense UI will appear on HTC’s Windows phone devices. Drew Bamford, who heads HTC’s user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October."

http://wmpoweruser.com/htc-sense-in-wp7/

[Prince Charming]

Please get your facts straight. Even though HTC is not allowed to modify the core experience like in the previous versions of the OS, they can still augment it with their special sauce (Sense).

"Engadget is reporting via Forbes that the Sense UI will appear on HTC?s Windows phone devices. Drew Bamford, who heads HTC?s user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October."

http://wmpoweruser.c...c-sense-in-wp7/

Actually, he's right. They aren't allowed the theme/change the interface like they did on Windows Mobile and on Android. This has led to some confusion. What they are allowed to do is ship up to 10 apps with their phones, supply an extra theme colour, and change the order of tiles on the home screen, as well as add their own. What this will realistically boil down to is where the confusion lies.

Sense (as a UI replacement) will not manifest of WP7. It's not allowed. HTC are a big partner, but they don't get to break the rules on this one. However, what 'Sense' is, is entirely up to HTC. We currently view Sense today as a UI replacement, but it's like on WP7, 'Sense' will manifest as a collection of apps and a theme colour, with maybe some new (Metro styled) tiles. Engadget usually read between the lines a bit, and actually, modification of the UI is never mentioned;

Drew Bamford, who heads HTC?s user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October.

Sense UI isn't mentioned. Sense is. What is Sense? That's up to HTC.

Later in the Forbes article, he clarifies that even though they are not allowed to modify the core experience like in the previous versions of the OS, they can still augment it with their special sauce. Among the ideas he envisions for the future of Sense include, easier discoverability and sharing of media, app recommendations to friends and better syncing and data streaming between the devices and the cloud.

Sense will become a collection of Apps and services, but there is no way WP7 devices will ship looking remotely like Sense UI on either Windows Mobile or Android. Hence, this concept will never happen.

[jakem1]

Actually, he's right. They aren't allowed the theme/change the interface like they did on Windows Mobile and on Android. This has led to some confusion. What they are allowed to do is ship up to 10 apps with their phones, supply an extra theme colour, and change the order of tiles on the home screen, as well as add their own. What this will realistically boil down to is where the confusion lies.

Sense (as a UI replacement) will not manifest of WP7. It's not allowed. HTC are a big partner, but they don't get to break the rules on this one. However, what 'Sense' is, is entirely up to HTC. We currently view Sense today as a UI replacement, but it's like on WP7, 'Sense' will manifest as a collection of apps and a theme colour, with maybe some new (Metro styled) tiles. Engadget usually read between the lines a bit, and actually, modification of the UI is never mentioned;

Drew Bamford, who heads HTC?s user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October.

Sense UI isn't mentioned. Sense is. What is Sense? That's up to HTC.

Later in the Forbes article, he clarifies that even though they are not allowed to modify the core experience like in the previous versions of the OS, they can still augment it with their special sauce. Among the ideas he envisions for the future of Sense include, easier discoverability and sharing of media, app recommendations to friends and better syncing and data streaming between the devices and the cloud.

Sense will become a collection of Apps and services, but there is no way WP7 devices will ship looking remotely like Sense UI on either Windows Mobile or Android. Hence, this concept will never happen.

Exactly.

[UndergroundWire]

So in other words it's going to suck. The only reason why Windows Mobile hasn't died yet is because of Sense UI (HTC). I don't know anybody that has a Windows Mobile Phone that's not made by HTC.

I'm pretty sure that HTC will have a Sense UI on WP7. Why else did HTC sign a patent deal with Microsoft so that HTC can sell Android phones?

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/HTC-signs-patent-deal-with-Microsoft-for-Android-988669.html

Believe me, without Sense UI, it doesn't make 'sense' :shifty: to buy a crappy windows phone.

[jakem1]

So in other words it's going to suck. The only reason why Windows Mobile hasn't died yet is because of Sense UI (HTC). I don't know anybody that has a Windows Mobile Phone that's not made by HTC.

I'm pretty sure that HTC will have a Sense UI on WP7. Why else did HTC sign a patent deal with Microsoft so that HTC can sell Android phones?

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/HTC-signs-patent-deal-with-Microsoft-for-Android-988669.html

Believe me, without Sense UI, it doesn't make 'sense' :shifty: to buy a crappy windows phone.

Well that's your opinion but I'm glad that Microsoft are sticking to their guns and preventing 3rd-party skins. I've got an HD2 and Sense is OK but it's not brilliant and it's obviously only there to make up for the fact that the default UI sucks. The same goes for Android.

However, I really like the approach that MS are taking with WP7 and think it works and looks a lot better than Sense. IMO, the layered 2D look is extremely refreshing and much more interesting than the fake 3D UI elements and grid of icons that are all the rage these days. There's no need to have a whole lot of HTC code running the whole time when MS's default UI is more capable of getting the job done. I'm sure that HTC will be able to add their own hub and their own apps but we don't need a whole new skin. Windows Phone 7 isn't Windows Mobile.

[Electric Jolt]

So in other words it's going to suck. The only reason why Windows Mobile hasn't died yet is because of Sense UI (HTC). I don't know anybody that has a Windows Mobile Phone that's not made by HTC.

I'm pretty sure that HTC will have a Sense UI on WP7. Why else did HTC sign a patent deal with Microsoft so that HTC can sell Android phones?

http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/HTC-signs-patent-deal-with-Microsoft-for-Android-988669.html

Believe me, without Sense UI, it doesn't make 'sense' :shifty: to buy a crappy windows phone.

Maybe a Windows Phone right now... But not the upcoming Windows Phones running Windows Phone 7... It's going to be feature-packed without Sense. We don't need Sense anymore, but it can still be a good addition in whatever shape or form it comes in. :yes:

[George P Global Moderator]

I expect more of a "sense hub" than anything else. That could pool together all the data from the other HTC "apps" they put in into one central location. But hitting start will always take you back to MS's default WP7 start screen, that will NEVER change.

[Prince Charming]

So in other words it's going to suck. The only reason why Windows Mobile hasn't died yet is because of Sense UI (HTC). I don't know anybody that has a Windows Mobile Phone that's not made by HTC.

I'm pretty sure that HTC will have a Sense UI on WP7. Why else did HTC sign a patent deal with Microsoft so that HTC can sell Android phones?

http://www.h-online....oid-988669.html

Believe me, without Sense UI, it doesn't make 'sense' to buy a crappy windows phone.

No pun intended, but you're not making any sense, at all. Windows Mobile 6.5 and Windows Phone 7 are two very different things. They don't look at all alike. Just because Windows Mobile looks (comparitively) like ass, doesn't mean WP7 does. WP7 looks fantastic and nothing like WM6.5, so the same logic of having to cover it up to make it look nice just doesn't apply. Stop looking to the past and looking forwards, because WP7 has nothing to do with anything Windows Mobile was or wasn't. It's a whole new beast.

[fix-this!]

i know what i posted was just a concept but i wouldn't touch a wp7 device without sense looking that way. too boring IMO without it. the interest for wp7 is lukewarm at best currently.

[Cereal Bawks]

I wouldn't go by what the generic person likes in a graphic design or not. Imagine the world, if everything looked as bad as themes, wallpapers and screenshots on most theming sites and thread.

[Prince Charming]

i know what i posted was just a concept but i wouldn't touch a wp7 device without sense looking that way. too boring IMO without it. the interest for wp7 is lukewarm at best currently.

Oh, it's lukewarm. Got any kind of source for a rather bold statement like that?

[thealexweb]

Oh, it's lukewarm. Got any kind of source for a rather bold statement like that?

Be fair there have been some reviews that have found it pretty shocking, cue everyone claiming bias reviewers.

[Electric Jolt]

i know what i posted was just a concept but i wouldn't touch a wp7 device without sense looking that way. too boring IMO without it. the interest for wp7 is lukewarm at best currently.

Sorry but the future of Sense will not be a Sense UI, it will be a nice addition, but it might not look good at all. It might make Windows Phone 7 look terrible at first glance.

Everything right now is a bit iffy, but one thing is for sure is that this is being made a much bigger deal than it really is. The upcoming Windows Phones will have different looks with what the cell phone makers and cell service providers put on it, but Sense will not be the Sense UI it used to be.

HTC doesn't make Windows Phone 7, they aren't the real deal anymore. What Dell does with their Windows Phones is the same as what HTC can do, Dell might do better than what HTC will do.

Remember, HTC won't be able to stop OTA updates, they won't be able to change anything, they won't be in charge at all. What they add cannot change the experience, it can only make it a more functional design for the out-of-the-box experience. Once you start using your Windows Phone after a month, you'll have enough of your own hubs, your own social connections, etc, that you won't need the stuff HTC, Dell, ASUS, LG, Samsung, etc, left for you to start out with.

[UndergroundWire]

Sorry but the future of Sense will not be a Sense UI, it will be a nice addition, but it might not look good at all. It might make Windows Phone 7 look terrible at first glance.

Everything right now is a bit iffy, but one thing is for sure is that this is being made a much bigger deal than it really is. The upcoming Windows Phones will have different looks with what the cell phone makers and cell service providers put on it, but Sense will not be the Sense UI it used to be.

HTC doesn't make Windows Phone 7, they aren't the real deal anymore. What Dell does with their Windows Phones is the same as what HTC can do, Dell might do better than what HTC will do.

Remember, HTC won't be able to stop OTA updates, they won't be able to change anything, they won't be in charge at all. What they add cannot change the experience, it can only make it a more functional design for the out-of-the-box experience. Once you start using your Windows Phone after a month, you'll have enough of your own hubs, your own social connections, etc, that you won't need the stuff HTC, Dell, ASUS, LG, Samsung, etc, left for you to start out with.

All what you described is a more advanced Kin and that turned out great.

[UndergroundWire]

Sorry but the future of Sense will not be a Sense UI, it will be a nice addition, but it might not look good at all. It might make Windows Phone 7 look terrible at first glance.

Everything right now is a bit iffy, but one thing is for sure is that this is being made a much bigger deal than it really is. The upcoming Windows Phones will have different looks with what the cell phone makers and cell service providers put on it, but Sense will not be the Sense UI it used to be.

HTC doesn't make Windows Phone 7, they aren't the real deal anymore. What Dell does with their Windows Phones is the same as what HTC can do, Dell might do better than what HTC will do.

Remember, HTC won't be able to stop OTA updates, they won't be able to change anything, they won't be in charge at all. What they add cannot change the experience, it can only make it a more functional design for the out-of-the-box experience. Once you start using your Windows Phone after a month, you'll have enough of your own hubs, your own social connections, etc, that you won't need the stuff HTC, Dell, ASUS, LG, Samsung, etc, left for you to start out with.

Are you sure about that now?

[Prince Charming]

Are you sure about that now?

Eh, the unconfirmed Sense for WP7 is nothing more than a collection of Apps, and it doesn't replace WP7's UI in any way. The user can just unpin the tiles from start and remove the apps if they so choose. I don't see how the unconfirmed demonstration of Sense on WP7 contradicts his post; if anything it supports it.

[ahhell]

All what you described is a more advanced Kin and that turned out great.

You sound like a very informed WinPhone 7 expert.

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

:rolleyes:

[Ironman273]

Eh, the unconfirmed Sense for WP7 is nothing more than a collection of Apps, and it doesn't replace WP7's UI in any way. The user can just unpin the tiles from start and remove the apps if they so choose. I don't see how the unconfirmed demonstration of Sense on WP7 contradicts his post; if anything it supports it.

It's not so much an HTC Sense skin as it is the HTC Hub that look like Sense.

[Richteralan]

fancy animations.

i'll wait for "daily usability" report after the initial wow period wears off.