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Why do I see people keep bringing up IE's release cycle? IE9 from the start has been on a 8 week dev process, look at the release dates for the PPs, (beta = PP5 which you could get right now as well if you just want to see the rendering engine and not the whole browser). It's logical then to expect beta 2 in another 8 weeks, so Nov. Then we'll take it from there, dunno if they'll do a beta 3 or go to RC1 like with IE8 so only time will tell.

you don't, you see people mentioning the development cycle, which isn't the same thing.

e.g. IE9 will go final, the dev team will then move onto IE10. we will see nothing for 2 yrs. only patches to IE9.

If you are a company with 1000+ employees, rolling out a major upgrade to a browser is a big task (especially with IE as each version mangles things other browsers can render perfectly), so you have to keep planning these rollouts, then executing them. This means many workplaces are stuck on IE6 at the moment as IE6 was such a disaster that moving away from it requires a LOT of testing/rework.

If you are a developer, IE is evil. If you are a developer and don't agree with this, you should maybe look for alternative employment :rofl:

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you don't, you see people mentioning the development cycle, which isn't the same thing.

e.g. IE9 will go final, the dev team will then move onto IE10. we will see nothing for 2 yrs. only patches to IE9.

If you are a company with 1000+ employees, rolling out a major upgrade to a browser is a big task (especially with IE as each version mangles things other browsers can render perfectly), so you have to keep planning these rollouts, then executing them. This means many workplaces are stuck on IE6 at the moment as IE6 was such a disaster that moving away from it requires a LOT of testing/rework.

If you are a developer, IE is evil. If you are a developer and don't agree with this, you should maybe look for alternative employment :rofl:

It is the same thing, I don't get why you think it's different. IE is on a 1 year release cycle, rtm, it's also not tied into the system as much as IE6 is. The longer cycle you talk about for business is actually something they like, they like schedules that don't force them to rush things, 2 years is their sweet spot, it's also more or less always been Windows release cycle (and IE was tied to windows till IE8). Workplaces are stuck with IE6 because they have inhouse apps built for that that they don't want to change, that's they're own problem and MS has XP Mode that lets you run IE6 in a VM just for those apps which lets you upgrade the host browser whenever you want, no problems at all.

As for the web dev, if you know what you seem to try to indicate you know, then every browser renders some newer things a bit different, Chrome/FF/Opera, they never always match 100%. That aside, with IE9 that's not going to be an issue since MS is pushing ahead with standards.

In the end IE9's 8 week schedule is fast, Chrome was slower till Google decided to play the one up game and move to a 6 week schedule. Really the end user isn't always updating to the newest nightly build of browser X either, that's more for devs to see what changes in the engine have been made. To that extent the IE9 PPs are for devs and thus don't come with any UI to them.

Getting a new beta or RC for IE9 basically every 2 months till RTM sounds good to me.

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It is the same thing, I don't get why you think it's different. IE is on a 1 year release cycle, rtm, it's also not tied into the system as much as IE6 is. The longer cycle you talk about for business is actually something they like, they like schedules that don't force them to rush things, 2 years is their sweet spot, it's also more or less always been Windows release cycle (and IE was tied to windows till IE8). Workplaces are stuck with IE6 because they have inhouse apps built for that that they don't want to change, that's they're own problem and MS has XP Mode that lets you run IE6 in a VM just for those apps which lets you upgrade the host browser whenever you want, no problems at all.

As for the web dev, if you know what you seem to try to indicate you know, then every browser renders some newer things a bit different, Chrome/FF/Opera, they never always match 100%. That aside, with IE9 that's not going to be an issue since MS is pushing ahead with standards.

In the end IE9's 8 week schedule is fast, Chrome was slower till Google decided to play the one up game and move to a 6 week schedule. Really the end user isn't always updating to the newest nightly build of browser X either, that's more for devs to see what changes in the engine have been made. To that extent the IE9 PPs are for devs and thus don't come with any UI to them.

Getting a new beta or RC for IE9 basically every 2 months till RTM sounds good to me.

I still don't understand how you don't see the issue.

We are also running chrome/firefox in the same corporate environment. Both of these update themselves and are always up to date. There is no need to plan anything. IE doesn't do this and always involves a lengthy problematic removal/installation as it spreads it's tentacles all over the OS.

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I still don't understand how you don't see the issue.

We are also running chrome/firefox in the same corporate environment. Both of these update themselves and are always up to date. There is no need to plan anything. IE doesn't do this and always involves a lengthy problematic removal/installation as it spreads it's tentacles all over the OS.

Maybe because your issue isn't a issue? We're not talking IE6 here. What long tentacles is it spreading exactly? And IE updates through WU along with the OS, so it is also "up to date" if you install the updates that is. Aside from needing a restart there is no "issue".

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There are two easy ways to do this: 1) Hit Ctrl-E for search and type it in, or 2) Type "?" before your search query. for example "? blueberries" will search for blueberries using your default provider instead of showing your history.

Thank you!!! I would have never worked that out :)

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where is the option to import/export the html files? before it was located under files, but i do not see it there any more.

nevermind, i found the option, in case anyone else is looking for it, click the star icon (favorites) then click on the little arrow next to the "add to favorites"

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I wish I could customize the shown buttons.. I want the Developer Tools button there because it's what I'm generally in IE for..

Also it would be nice if you could pin the favorites to any side of the window you wanted too, and if the pane also supported Aero transparency ..

Aside from that I am very happy with the new IE.

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MOUSE GESTURES! =@

Granted I can probably never see Microsoft adding them seeing as htey'd consider them too "confusing" for some users. But I feel disabled without them these days =/

http://www.ysgyfarnog.co.uk/utilities/mousegestures/ works great for mouse gestures and still works in the IE9 beta :)

Re: Adblocking

HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Safety\PrivacIE\

DWORD 32 FilteringMode = 0 for Disabled, = 1 for Automatic, = 2 for Choose (ie. use Filterlist only, don't automatically block other stuff).

Then import the latest list from here: http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?p=16784084#post16784084 (built from the Fanboy adblock list! :) )

Also I guess Simple Adblock works for IE8 is based on Adblock lists and actually collapses the empty space as well (nice!) but hasn't been updated for IE9 yet (boourns.) But hopefully soon?

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majid23

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So maybe it's not something I wish IE 9 had, but:

I have a new Vaio x64 with Windows 7...I downloaded and ran IE 9 just fine. The only problem is that it places a white border around my gadgets...kinda annoying.

Secondly, when I click "show desktop" on the bottom right corner, everything, included my gadgets disappear; showing just the desktop and the icons. I deleted IE 9 and my problems are gone, but I really wanted to use it as maybe my main browser.

Any way to fix the problems with the gadget/desktop?

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Swift-R

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I found something else in IE9 I miss from the other browsers, while viewing the website source code, links are not clickable. So if you want to check if the entered path for some css or js file is correct, in other browsers you can just view source, click the link in <script src="link"...> and it opens the javascript file. Is there a way around?

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There are a few things that are missing that even IE8 has, like where's the option to save my tabs?

All closed tabs are automatically saved. If you are referring to adding tabs to 'Favorites', click on the Favorites button (star) and the options are available in the drop down list 'Add to favorites ...'.

Or to restart my last tab session?

Open a 'new tab' and the option to "Reopen last session" is very much there along with an option for a drop down list of "Reopen closed tabs".

Also the back/forward buttons are missing their dropdown history list as well.

Right click on the back/forward buttons for the dropdown history list.

The option to move tabs below or above the address bar as well would be good.

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This is something I also wish for. By moving the 'tabs' up higher, it means moving the mouse a greater distance to switch between tabs. I prefer that the 'tabs' bar be the last bar before the actual page.

Also, I hate that they have combined the 'search bar' with the 'address bar'. I used to like being able to type something in the 'search bar' and then search using different search providers, without having to retype anything. Now one has to retype to do the same search with a ifferent search provider.

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I just want a save session when you close the browser (like in FireFox) NOT restore, spell check, tabs on the bottom, and an extension like "unPlug" where I can download flv files from youtube.

Other than that I love the new IE.

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soldier1st

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Yep, I need it. lol

I'm paralysed and type side hand so mistype a lot.

if you need spellcheck then run a non ie based browser and they got it, ms will never implement a spell check as they are too lazy to add one.

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