Recommended Posts

anyways , Microsoft never took browser wars seriously (even now , IE9 is only for Vista sp2 and W7 , what?)

How often do we have to go over this again? Windows XP is 9 years old. Why would MS even think of backporting half of Windows 7 to it just for IE 9?

XP is dying. Slowly but steadily.

Them's fightin words. :angry: :D

Feel free. :p

Chrome is not bad, I use it at work, but I would never trade it for Opera on my main computer, FF, ugh......don't even get me started. Sure, extensions are nice, but when you need to use them to make a browser usable vs a browser that is usable out of the box (how I view FF compared to Opera), whats the point? Why not just keep it simple and use the browser thats better out of the box. Sort of the same reason I use Windows over Linux, Linux is great, but it doesn't do everything I need it to out of the box, therefore I use Windows instead.

Microsoft should buy all the big browser developers. Then make an awesome browser that had Opera's speed, Chrome's light weight, Firefox's extensions, and Internet Explorer's...err...I'll think of something they should take from there.

No? Oh. Alright then.

At least Opera's not as bad as FF or Chrome...

You are not quite right, it is a great deal worse. At least with Firefox you have extensions that you can use plus you can customize it with CSS. Opera does have some good features and I sure would use it over IE 9.

You are not quite right, it is a great deal worse. At least with Firefox you have extensions that you can use plus you can customize it with CSS. Opera does have some good features and I sure would use it over IE 9.

Opera has all the features I have ever used built in, making extensions pointless for me (I understand that doesn't mean its pointless to everyone, but for my own personal use, Opera is better than FF, even including FF Extensions), and you can customize Opera quite a bit with UserJS and custom CSS, its just the smaller userbase means less resources for easily doing things via its CSS and UserJS capabilities, so you need to be a bit more knowledgeable and willing to do things for yourself with Opera than with FF.

For my own browser usage patterns, Opera is the best browser out there, I'm sure its different for others, but to me personally Chrome has too much of a lack of features to be better than Opera, and FF is too slow and has hardly any decent features at all without extensions (I have ran it before and it was junk IMHO, even worse than Chrome).

Opera has all the features I have ever used built in, making extensions pointless for me (I understand that doesn't mean its pointless to everyone, but for my own personal use, Opera is better than FF, even including FF Extensions), and you can customize Opera quite a bit with UserJS and custom CSS, its just the smaller userbase means less resources for easily doing things via its CSS and UserJS capabilities, so you need to be a bit more knowledgeable and willing to do things for yourself with Opera than with FF.

For my own browser usage patterns, Opera is the best browser out there, I'm sure its different for others, but to me personally Chrome has too much of a lack of features to be better than Opera, and FF is too slow and has hardly any decent features at all without extensions (I have ran it before and it was junk IMHO, even worse than Chrome).

At the moment Opera is faster than Firefox by a tad. But with every modern browser the speed difference is minimal. AFAIK, Opera will not support HTML5 but that is not a big deal either. For me it is:

1. Firefox

2. Opera.

I do not even have IE installed and never will. I also do not trust Google so I would never use anything they produce, even the Google Car. LOL.

You are not quite right, it is a great deal worse. At least with Firefox you have extensions that you can use plus you can customize it with CSS. Opera does have some good features and I sure would use it over IE 9.

Except I don't want to use any extensions? I don't see the point of them to be honest. Stuff I would use:

1. Download manager? Built right in

2. Ad/flash block? Built right in.

CSS customizations for themes? Not needed since you can select different theme colors, but you can also modify the theme files. And, like FF4, the default theme fits in quite nicely into Windows so I don't want any additional themes.

At the end of the day it really just comes down to what you prefer. If you want a billion extensions, then go with Firefox. If you don't, then go with something else.

AFAIK, Opera will not support HTML5 but that is not a big deal either.

Excuse me? HTML5 support is increasing with every build and in terms of Canvas support, Opera does it best.

I do not even have IE installed and never will. I also do not trust Google so I would never use anything they produce, even the Google Car. LOL.

:rolleyes:

Feel free. :p

Chrome is not bad, I use it at work, but I would never trade it for Opera on my main computer, FF, ugh......don't even get me started. Sure, extensions are nice, but when you need to use them to make a browser usable vs a browser that is usable out of the box (how I view FF compared to Opera), whats the point? Why not just keep it simple and use the browser thats better out of the box. Sort of the same reason I use Windows over Linux, Linux is great, but it doesn't do everything I need it to out of the box, therefore I use Windows instead.

I guess I don't understand this obsession with "out of the box". We here on Neowin are above average for knowledge of computers so what's the big deal about spending a few minutes to customize a piece of software to your liking? I cannot imagine you use your OS with every default option "out of the box", I'm sure you change a few things, disable one or two unnecessary services, change the Start Menu to look a certain way, etc. If a browser does everything you want out of the box, well, then congratulations. This is why I don't understand this bundling preference in a browser. I want a browser to browse, not have email included, in addition to not being a torrent client. Is there such thing as Opera Light? (without email, torrent, etc) If not, then I would never use that software. But more power to you.

This reminds me of the old Unix saying "Do one thing and do it well." Bloat = bad

At least Opera's not as bad as FF or Chrome...

At least those browsers load webpages properly without needing code for specific sites such as gmail. Opera is nice n all, but lack of extensions(only browser left really without em) and ad blocking makes it utterly worthless.

Why would MS dare buy something as uncompetitive as opera?

This topic is now closed to further replies.
  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.
  • Posts

    • Ventoy 1.1.14 by Razvan Serea Ventoy is an open source tool to create bootable USB drive for ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI files. With Ventoy, you don't need to format the disk over and over, you just need to copy the ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)EFI files to the USB drive and boot them directly. You can copy many files at a time and ventoy will give you a boot menu to select them. Both Legacy BIOS and UEFI are supported in the same way. Most type of OS supported (Windows/WinPE/Linux/Unix/Vmware/Xen...) Ventoy features: 100% open source Simple to use Fast (limited only by the speed of copying iso file) Directly boot from ISO/WIM/IMG/VHD(x)/EFI file, no extraction needed Legacy + UEFI supported in the same way UEFI Secure Boot supported (since 1.0.07+) Persistence supported (since 1.0.11+) MBR and GPT partition style supported (1.0.15+) WIM files boot supported (Legacy + UEFI) (1.0.12+) IMG files boot supported (Legacy + UEFI) (1.0.19+) Auto installation supported (1.0.09+) File injection supported (1.0.16+) ISO files larger than 4GB supported Native boot menu style for Legacy & UEFI Most type of OS supported(Windows/WinPE/Linux/Unix/Vmware/Xen...), 550+ iso files tested Not only boot but also complete installation process ISO files can be listed in List mode/TreeView mode Linux vDisk boot supported (vdi/vhd/raw) "Ventoy Compatible" concept Plugin Framework Menu Alias/Menu Style/Customized Menu supported USB drive write-protected support USB normal use unaffected Data nondestructive during version upgrade No need to update Ventoy when a new distro is released Ventoy 1.1.14 changelog: Update secure boot shim file to solve the UEFI CA 2023 issue. The new release use a new CA, so you need to enroll the new key for the first boot time. VentoyPlugson update synchronously. Global control plugin add a VTOY_SECURE_BOOT_POLICY option. Notes Download: Ventoy 1.1.14 | 15.9 MB (Open Source) Download: Ventoy Live CD | 187.0 MB Link: Ventoy Home Page | Project Page @GitHub | Screenshot Get alerted to all of our Software updates on Twitter at @NeowinSoftware
    • Save 83% on PRO$PER Lifetime Pass by Sterling Stock Picker by Steven Parker Today's deal from our Apps + Software section of the Neowin Deals store, lets you save 83% on PRO$PER Lifetime Pass by Sterling Stock Picker. Note: Only available to NEW users. This deal is exclusive to Stacksocial. Gain Financial Freedom Through Expert Education PRO$PER Financial Success System is a comprehensive financial education platform designed to help individuals build stronger money habits, make informed financial decisions, and create a clear path toward long-term wealth. The program includes 12+ in-depth financial courses, more than 150 lessons, personalized learning pathways, and a financial dashboard that tracks your progress and goals. Members receive lifetime access to expert-led training from seasoned financial educator Jaden Sterling, along with exclusive resources such as worksheets, eBooks, webinars, and practical implementation tools. The platform also features Finley AI, an intelligent financial coaching assistant that delivers personalized guidance, recommendations, and educational support tailored to your unique financial journey. Ideal for anyone looking to reduce debt, improve budgeting skills, grow investments, prepare for retirement, or achieve greater financial confidence and stability. Whether you're a beginner learning the fundamentals of personal finance or someone seeking to strengthen an existing financial plan, the platform provides actionable strategies and step-by-step guidance to help you reach your goals. Through personalized recommendations, community support, and AI-powered coaching, members can develop better financial habits, avoid common money mistakes, and stay focused on long-term success. By combining education with practical implementation, PRO$PER empowers users to build sustainable wealth, improve financial security, and create a stronger foundation for their future. Comprehensive Financial Training Made Simple Financial Success Blueprint: Learn the fundamentals of budgeting, saving, debt reduction, investing, retirement planning, and wealth creation. 12+ Comprehensive Financial Courses: Access a growing library of expert-led courses covering personal finance and money management. 150+ Financial Lessons: Explore a wide range of educational content designed to strengthen your financial knowledge. Lifetime Access: Enjoy unlimited access to all current and future training materials at your own pace. Self-Paced Learning: Study anytime, anywhere, with no deadlines or fixed class schedules. Expert-Led Instruction: Learn from experienced financial educator and mentor Jaden Sterling. Step-by-Step Learning Paths: Follow structured roadmaps that simplify complex financial topics. AI-Powered Support for Financial Success Finley AI Financial Coach: Get on-demand guidance, insights, and support from an AI-powered financial assistant. Personalized Financial Dashboard: Track financial goals, confidence levels, progress, and areas for improvement. Tailored Learning Recommendations: Receive customized course suggestions based on your profile and objectives. Investment & Wealth-Building Insights: Explore strategies to grow wealth and make informed financial decisions. Resources and Support to Thrive Financially Decision-Making Support: Gain confidence in managing money, investing, and long-term planning. Community Support Network: Connect with like-minded members, share experiences, and learn from others. Exclusive Educational Resources: Access eBooks, worksheets, webinars, guides, and practical financial tools. Actionable Learning Approach: Apply concepts immediately through exercises, implementation strategies, and real-world examples. Good to know Length of access: Lifetime Redemption deadline: redeem your code within 60 days of purchase Access Options: Desktop and mobile Max number of devices: Unlimited Updates included Only available to NEW users PRO$PER Lifetime Pass by Sterling Stock Picker normally costs $499 but it can be yours for only $79.99, that's a saving of $420 (83%) off! For terms, and more details click the link below. PRO$PER Lifetime Pass by Sterling Stock Picker at 83% off (was $499) Although priced in U.S. dollars, this deal is available for digital purchase worldwide. Support queries If you have queries or need support for any of the Neowin Deals, please use the contact form here. Neowin Deals are managed and sold by StackCommerce who represent Neowin on an affiliate basis. Why we post these deals We post these because we earn commission on each sale so as not to rely solely on advertising, which many of our readers block. It all helps toward paying staff reporters, servers and hosting costs. So for those that keep moaning and complaining, be thankful we're still online for you to even do that. Other ways to support Neowin Whitelist Neowin by not blocking our ads Create a free member account to see fewer ads Make a donation to support our day to day running costs Subscribe to Neowin - for $14 a year, or $28 a year for an ad-free experience Disclosure: Neowin benefits from revenue of each sale made through our branded deals site powered by StackCommerce.
    • Windows 10 is end-of-life (EOL) anyway.
    • 1. It only affects Windows 10, which is EOL anyway. 2. NVIDIA had very serious driver issues for >6 months after the GeForce RTX 5000 series came out.
  • Recent Achievements

    • First Post
      Tom Schmidt earned a badge
      First Post
    • One Month Later
      D0nn13 earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Rookie
      +ChiefOfNeo went up a rank
      Rookie
    • One Year In
      Tom Schmidt earned a badge
      One Year In
    • One Month Later
      Tom Schmidt earned a badge
      One Month Later
  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      457
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      177
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      123
    4. 4
      Michael Scrip
      83
    5. 5
      Xenon
      76
  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!