is XP SP3 still a good OS for today's computing?


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Just look at the memory and disk access performance logs. XP wins hands down. Uses less then half the memory, and disk access is significantly less frequent too.

Windows 7 utilizes memory different. If half of your memory is not being used, then its not doing anything for you.

Your name fits your argument quite well.

Why waste money buying an OS when you can use it to upgrade the machine's components instead? It's certainly better value for money.

Really? Why is that?

Hold your horses batman. XP has the greatest marketshare of all windows versions, thus it also has the best driver/software support, and the most developers producing software for it.

Wishful thinking...

The last time I checked, the "consumer" as you call him, can do anything he likes, including installing XP on a 12GB memory, quadcore cpu, and a SLI graphics configuration if he so wishes. Quit with the proselytisation already. By all means make a recommendation, but there is no one prescription for preferred OS's. He can use XP, Ubuntu, or whatever he likes ;)

You'd be trollin'. I see what you're doing thar. :boo:

Plus you didn't add the cost of a business making sure all their software are compatible with the new version of Windows. At my work we have many many applications that needs to be tested and some of them even need to be updated so they'll run properly....and that's expensive and probably a good reason why we're still running XP

1yr of R&D with who knows how many people need to be involved as there can be many specialists designated to work with many applications. The whole IT staff could end up working with that and anyone can hold up the go/no go status for months.

Hold your horses batman. XP has the greatest marketshare of all windows versions, thus it also has the best driver/software support, and the most developers producing software for it.

Only due to the fact that Vista took 5 years to come out.

And anyway, most developers are developing for Windows 7 and Windows Vista exclusively due to the brand new features.

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever to use XP instead of 7 if you are building/buying a new computer. As for systems that came with XP? :/ it's better if you can upgrade as Windows 7 beats XP (not surprisingly) in all regards. If using a laptop, then Win7 is a no brainer.

One major feature that I like on Windows 7 is how good it is at memory management (even Vista was) compared to XP. XP can't multi task like 7 does. Then add docking/undocking of laptop and XP feels like a sore loser.

Why are many around here so extremely obsessed with memory usage? You have these people with 4, 6, 8 or more GB of memory who start to complain when the operating system and applications actually make use of it. For some weird reason that's completely beyond me they want to have RAM sit idle 95% of the time instead of it being put to good use.

Sometimes it goes as far as them installing Windows XP on a Core i7 rig because they think it's light on resources and will make their PCs run faster compared to Windows 7, when in fact the 10-year old operating system will only waste their state-of-the-art hardware away.

I have 8 GB of memory installed and couldn't care less about how much the OS or my browser is using. I know when I start opening other applications the OS will automatically reallocate it if necessary. Today's modern operating systems don't require me to worry about it. Free memory is only being wasted away.

Hold your horses batman. XP has the greatest marketshare of all windows versions, thus it also has the best driver/software support, and the most developers producing software for it.

Windows XP only has 3 more percentage points than 7 does in the US. I'm expecting that XP will drop below 7 in the next month.

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Worldwide, XP still has the lead, but is quickly dropping. Currently it has dropped below 50%.

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In the UK, Win7 has already surpassed WinXP.

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You're argument is flawed. XP will drop below or already has dropped below Win7 in a month or two. :cool:

Why are many around here so extremely obsessed with memory usage? You have these people with 4, 6, 8 or more GB of memory who start to complain when the operating system and applications actually make use of it. For some weird reason that's completely beyond me they want to have RAM sit idle 95% of the time instead of it being put to good use.

Sometimes it goes as far as them installing Windows XP on a Core i7 rig because they think it's light on resources and will make their PCs run faster compared to Windows 7, when in fact the 10-year old operating system will only waste their state-of-the-art hardware away.

They're the same people who used to use those "memory optimizer" programs to free up their memory (in other words dump the RAM contents to the page file and cripple their system performance). In other words, morons. :laugh:

Free memory = wasted memory. If you don't want it used you may as well remove it and throw it in the trash.

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A lot of people don't really know what they're talking about in the first and just repeat what they heard from other misinformed people on the streets of online to look intelligent without reading up on the subject themselves.

I think people here seem to think more RAM = faster machine/CPU. I guess they seem to think that more RAM used somehow slows down their machine? Which I find curious, because it is far from the truth.

how so? Please explain the logic you see behind this. BTW this is far from the truth.

how so? Please explain the logic you see behind this. BTW this is far from the truth.

I'm getting a vibe that a few users here truly believe less RAM usage somehow is better. In the case of the OP, he is using 4GB of RAM in his machine, yet some believe if you go above 500MB or 1GB that somehow is bad and needs "fixed".

XP is a pathetic, fugly, ancient, insecure, unproductive and completely unusable OS. Here are a few reasons why XP is so pathetic compared to Windows 7:

1. XP has a horrible and incredibly fugly UI. Every time I look at the pathetic XP UI, I feel sick.

2. XP is a usability nightmare. It has a pathetic search system compared to Windows 7. There are no breadcrumb bars, no stacks, no libraries, no start menu search. The list goes on and on.

3. XP is the most insecure OS of ALL time. 99.9% of the security issues of the world are because of XP.

4. XP has pathetic memory management. With any system with over 1 GB RAM, XP is horribly inefficient. It can't handle that RAM at all. On the other hand Windows 7 utilizes the extra RAM for increasing performance.

5. XP can't handle 4GB RAM. Don't mention XP 64-bit as it has NO driver support at all, and is horribly instable.

6. XP has PATHETIC driver support. NO NEW PC's bought in the last 2 years has drivers for XP. On the other hand Windows 7 has excellent driver support.

7. XP has PATHETIC performance issues. Use XP for more than a couple of months, and the system gets almost unusably slow. Try to run 3 or 4 memory intensive programs simultaneously, and the system will crash/BSOD immediately.

Because of those reasons, XP has been COMPLETELY dead in the developed world.

1. XP now has only 40% market share according to Wikipedia. Vista/7 combined has much more than that. At current rate, by the end of 2011 it will fall below 25%.

2. XP has less than 35% market share in the developed world like North America, Europe and Oceania. Windows 7 is the SINGLE MOST POPULAR OS in these countries.

3. XP has about 87% market share in CHINA where 99% of systems run on pirated OS.

4. XP is dead as dodo in EVERY CIVILISED country in the world.

5. Windows 7 is the FASTEST SELLING OS in the history of computing with over 300 MILLION COPIES sold within first 15 months of release.

Because of these reasons only clueless people will decide to run XP in 2011. Windows 7 FTW. Microsoft FTW.

1. Interface works just fine, not great but fine. You do realize that you can customize XP interface, right (please don't tell me you wrote that thinking luna theme!!)? If you want something pulled out of someones @$$ try Ubuntu.

2. Some of that can be fixed with third party applications. XP has a hidden gem called "Classic Search" which is by far one of the best search tools I have ever seen in any OS to date - it is fast and doesn't search inside files. W7 search is nowhere as fast sadly.

3. Most security issues are a matter of intelligence. Being fooled by popups, getting popups, not using no script, not updating your software, not locking down the system, etc. Also XP is NOT the most insecure OS of all time. For example, I kill of UAC at its root (I kill the driver itself) and I never had any issues with this, it is user dependent really - therefore obviously Average Users (or as I call them, dum dums) would benefit from W7 babysitting.

4. This is quite misinformed. XP has good memory management. It requires less memory than W7 (memory that cannot be freed, NOT 'superfech') to run, thus offers more memory to the applications. Additionally, just like W7, XP caches dynamic link libraries used by the recently closed applications in memory - coined term, warm boot. The only difference is superfetch, but here is the kicker - XP starts applications as fast as W7 anyway (I tested this one a few setups, even my AMD rig).

5. You are an obvious troll if you think that XP x86_64 is unstable. XP x86_64 is as stable as a rock, support 4+ GB RAM, and doesn't have the backwards compatibility security issues of 32-bit XP. I bet you never even ran XP x86_64 or 2003 x86_64 OS, I did and I loved it!

6. Bull Sh*t! Bull Sh*t! Even dumb for loosers like AMD, you can eventually find XP compatible drivers to the present day! And NVIDIA still supports x86_64 XP.

7. Why do I get the feeling that I am talking to a troll? I ran Crysis x86_64 on my XP x86_64 (forgot if I had 4 or 2 GB RAM) and had defragmenter running on the other partition, guess what happened? I eventually got bored of Cryrysis.

There are many advantaged to W7. Many of them can be mimicked with additional applications in XP, many of them cannot.

But, screaming out loud that W7 is better than your wife in bed doesn't give you any rep points.

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1. Interface works just fine, not great but fine. You do realize that you can customize XP interface, right (please don't tell me you wrote that thinking luna theme!!)? If you want something pulled out of someones @$$ try Ubuntu.

2. Some of that can be fixed with third party applications. XP has a hidden gem called "Classic Search" which is by far one of the best search tools I have ever seen in any OS to date - it is fast and doesn't search inside files. W7 search is nowhere as fast sadly.

3. Most security issues are a matter of intelligence. Being fooled by popups, getting popups, not using no script, not updating your software, not locking down the system, etc. Also XP is NOT the most insecure OS of all time. For example, I kill of UAC at its root (I kill the driver itself) and I never had any issues with this, it is user dependent really - therefore obviously Average Users (or as I call them, dum dums) would benefit from W7 babysitting.

4. This is quite misinformed. XP has good memory management. It requires less memory than W7 (memory that cannot be freed, NOT 'superfech') to run, thus offers more memory to the applications. Additionally, just like W7, XP caches dynamic link libraries used by the recently closed applications in memory - coined term, warm boot. The only difference is superfetch, but here is the kicker - XP starts applications as fast as W7 anyway (I tested this one a few setups, even my AMD rig).

5. You are an obvious troll if you think that XP x86_64 is unstable. XP x86_64 is as stable as a rock, support 4+ GB RAM, and doesn't have the backwards compatibility security issues of 32-bit XP. I bet you never even ran XP x86_64 or 2003 x86_64 OS, I did and I loved it!

6. Bull Sh*t! Bull Sh*t! Even dumb for loosers like AMD, you can eventually find XP compatible drivers to the present day! And NVIDIA still supports x86_64 XP.

7. Why do I get the feeling that I am talking to a troll? I ran Crysis x86_64 on my XP x86_64 (forgot if I had 4 or 2 GB RAM) and had defragmenter running on the other partition, guess what happened? I eventually got bored of Cryrysis.

There are many advantaged to W7. Many of them can be mimicked with additional applications in XP, many of them cannot.

But, screaming out loud that W7 is better than your wife in bed doesn't give you any rep points.

wow, nice argument

Honestly XP is still your best bet if you like legacy support. I tried W7 for a month and found it was very unstable for my needs. While I did like all the eye candy, I found that it didnt serve me that well when my programs wouldn't run (or run sporatically). And it took me twice as long to find things in windows explorer. And just so you know, W7 is Steve Balmer's baby..not Gates. And it shows!

1. Interface works just fine, not great but fine. You do realize that you can customize XP interface, right (please don't tell me you wrote that thinking luna theme!!)? If you want something pulled out of someones @$$ try Ubuntu.

2. Some of that can be fixed with third party applications. XP has a hidden gem called "Classic Search" which is by far one of the best search tools I have ever seen in any OS to date - it is fast and doesn't search inside files. W7 search is nowhere as fast sadly.

3. Most security issues are a matter of intelligence. Being fooled by popups, getting popups, not using no script, not updating your software, not locking down the system, etc. Also XP is NOT the most insecure OS of all time. For example, I kill of UAC at its root (I kill the driver itself) and I never had any issues with this, it is user dependent really - therefore obviously Average Users (or as I call them, dum dums) would benefit from W7 babysitting.

4. This is quite misinformed. XP has good memory management. It requires less memory than W7 (memory that cannot be freed, NOT 'superfech') to run, thus offers more memory to the applications. Additionally, just like W7, XP caches dynamic link libraries used by the recently closed applications in memory - coined term, warm boot. The only difference is superfetch, but here is the kicker - XP starts applications as fast as W7 anyway (I tested this one a few setups, even my AMD rig).

5. You are an obvious troll if you think that XP x86_64 is unstable. XP x86_64 is as stable as a rock, support 4+ GB RAM, and doesn't have the backwards compatibility security issues of 32-bit XP. I bet you never even ran XP x86_64 or 2003 x86_64 OS, I did and I loved it!

6. Bull Sh*t! Bull Sh*t! Even dumb for loosers like AMD, you can eventually find XP compatible drivers to the present day! And NVIDIA still supports x86_64 XP.

7. Why do I get the feeling that I am talking to a troll? I ran Crysis x86_64 on my XP x86_64 (forgot if I had 4 or 2 GB RAM) and had defragmenter running on the other partition, guess what happened? I eventually got bored of Cryrysis.

There are many advantaged to W7. Many of them can be mimicked with additional applications in XP, many of them cannot.

But, screaming out loud that W7 is better than your wife in bed doesn't give you any rep points.

Killing UAC is dumb to say the least. Using UAC doesn't make you "an average user" or "dumb user" or something like that.

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Ugh this is BS. If you are so sure about running XP on today's hardware, then why not you try running Windows 3.1 or 95 (not the OSR 1/2.x) on your "most modern PC ever"?

*lends ear, hears silence*

XP has 50% marketshare. What does 3.1 or 95 have? What does 7 have? Developers and companies go where the users are, not where your preference lies, therefore your analogy is flawed.

Quite frankly, MS really should have abandoned XP after Vista is released and NOT extend XP support after SP2 (but noooo due to the so-called tech "pundits" that cling to XP ... quite pathetic).

And alienate 60% of their users? I don't think even Microsoft is that stupid, hence the reoccurring support extensions.

As for the case of IE9 on XP, this is falling on deaf ears. MS is not going to listen, because IE9 uses hardware acceleration, a feature available only on Vista and above. XP uses the CPU to render graphics, which is a 2000-2001 technology. Vista from 2006 and ahead uses the graphics card to render the GUI, which in fact puts the burden OFF the CPU. A big fat "Duh" moment.

Does anyone still care about IE? lol. I thought everyone had moved to Firefox, Chrome, or Opera by now. Seriously, your whole argument rests on a desire to update to IE9! XP doesn't need to do 3d composition through the graphics card because it doesn't have the eye candy that Linux has with compiz or 7/vista with aero has. Besides, XP does do hardware accelerated 2d rendering, which is good enough for it's UI demands. Before you install your graphics driver in XP, that's software rendering, not afterwards.

This XP and Vista/7 thing has been discussed ad nauseam already. Face it, XP is old. End of discussion, period, case closed.

For you perhaps, but 50% of windows users disagree with you. I'm afraid you're out numbered my friend ;)

1. Interface works just fine, not great but fine. You do realize that you can customize XP interface, right (please don't tell me you wrote that thinking luna theme!!)? If you want something pulled out of someones @$$ try Ubuntu.

2. Some of that can be fixed with third party applications. XP has a hidden gem called "Classic Search" which is by far one of the best search tools I have ever seen in any OS to date - it is fast and doesn't search inside files. W7 search is nowhere as fast sadly.

3. Most security issues are a matter of intelligence. Being fooled by popups, getting popups, not using no script, not updating your software, not locking down the system, etc. Also XP is NOT the most insecure OS of all time. For example, I kill of UAC at its root (I kill the driver itself) and I never had any issues with this, it is user dependent really - therefore obviously Average Users (or as I call them, dum dums) would benefit from W7 babysitting.

4. This is quite misinformed. XP has good memory management. It requires less memory than W7 (memory that cannot be freed, NOT 'superfech') to run, thus offers more memory to the applications. Additionally, just like W7, XP caches dynamic link libraries used by the recently closed applications in memory - coined term, warm boot. The only difference is superfetch, but here is the kicker - XP starts applications as fast as W7 anyway (I tested this one a few setups, even my AMD rig).

5. You are an obvious troll if you think that XP x86_64 is unstable. XP x86_64 is as stable as a rock, support 4+ GB RAM, and doesn't have the backwards compatibility security issues of 32-bit XP. I bet you never even ran XP x86_64 or 2003 x86_64 OS, I did and I loved it!

6. Bull Sh*t! Bull Sh*t! Even dumb for loosers like AMD, you can eventually find XP compatible drivers to the present day! And NVIDIA still supports x86_64 XP.

7. Why do I get the feeling that I am talking to a troll? I ran Crysis x86_64 on my XP x86_64 (forgot if I had 4 or 2 GB RAM) and had defragmenter running on the other partition, guess what happened? I eventually got bored of Cryrysis.

There are many advantaged to W7. Many of them can be mimicked with additional applications in XP, many of them cannot.

But, screaming out loud that W7 is better than your wife in bed doesn't give you any rep points.

Wow, pathetic "arguments", those.

1. I never bought that "customization" bull****. They cause all sorts of problems, because they modify system files. I tried the Vista Transformation Pack on XP 4 years ago, and the result was horrible. My Windows Update died, and there was no way to revert to the old system without formatting. Not to mention ALL of those "customizations" are half baked, and only introduce incosistency throughout the UI. They are usability and stability nightmares.

2. XP's "classic search" feature is the worst crime ever committed against humanity. Why on earth should I have to memorize names of thousands of files on my computer to search for files? And even then it was slow as molasses. On the other hand, on Windows 7, I have my ENTIRE hard drive indexed. So I type something on the start menu search box, and within a fraction of a second the result appears. I no longer have to remember file names, or organize files. All I do is to type ANYTHING I remember about that file, and immediately it appears. It also helps me to launch applications and Control Panel applets within a fraction of a second. On XP I had to hunt the cryptic Control Panel to launch what I wanted.

3. You can say all you like about how you are a super man and never get infected with malware, but the reality is for the vast majority of users, XP's pathetic security was the sole reason for security problems. Windows 7's security is infinitely better than XP's.

4. XP DOES NOT have good memory management. Yes it shows more free RAM available. But free RAM is wasted RAM. What's the point of that if it can't use that RAM to improve performance? Windows 7 runs programs much faster than XP because it can USE those extra RAM.

5. XP 64-bit is the most instable OS I have ever tried. It has ZERO driver support and keeps crashing ALL the time.

6. On Windows 7 I don't even need to install drivers manually any more. It automatically finds those drivers for me, or offers them via Windows Update. Finding drivers for XP, and successfully installing them is a nightmare.

7. I had to reinstall XP every 4/5 months because of slow startup time and overall poor performance. On the other hand I have been running Windows 7 on my main desktop system for 20 months with absolutely no issues whatsoever. It's still incredibly fast and shows no sign of slowdown.

For you perhaps, but 50% of windows users disagree with you. I'm afraid you're out numbered my friend ;)

XP has less than 35% market share in North America, Europe and Oceania combined. Windows 7/Vista has more than 50%. So, YOU are the one who is outnumbered, unless, of course, you happen to be one of the pirated Chinese XP users.

3. You can say all you like about how you are a super man and never get infected with malware, but the reality is for the vast majority of users, XP's pathetic security was the sole reason for security problems. Windows 7's security is infinitely better than XP's.

Better? Yes, but it still gets infected en masse just like every other windows OS.

4. XP DOES NOT have good memory management. Yes it shows more free RAM available. But free RAM is wasted RAM. What's the point of that if it can't use that RAM to improve performance? Windows 7 runs programs much faster than XP because it can USE those extra RAM.

So why don't you get the extra ram back when superfetch is disabled? I'll tell you why, it's because the base OS is consuming it. If you have superfetch enabled, it can exceed 1gb without any programs even running. And I never noticed any speed improvement of program loading over XP. Superfetch is mostly to compensate for the slow down and general bloat of 7 over XP. So it gobbles up all your memory as it tries to cache lots of stuff in order that you notice how slow it really is.

5. XP 64-bit is the most instable OS I have ever tried. It has ZERO driver support and keeps crashing ALL the time.

Hmm, what does that remind me of, oh ye, vista when it was first released, you know the code base upon which 7 is built.

6. On Windows 7 I don't even need to install drivers manually any more. It automatically finds those drivers for me, or offers them via Windows Update. Finding drivers for XP, and successfully installing them is a nightmare.

Yep, they copied that from Linux. It's a poor man's Linux repository limited to only out of date drivers. In Linux we've had that since day one.

7. I had to reinstall XP every 4/5 months because of slow startup time and overall poor performance. On the other hand I have been running Windows 7 on my main desktop system for 20 months with absolutely no issues whatsoever. It's still incredibly fast and shows no sign of slowdown.

The same happens in Windows 7/Vista. The registry etc get increasingly fragmented over time.

XP has less than 35% market share in North America, Europe and Oceania combined. Windows 7/Vista has more than 50%. So, YOU are the one who is outnumbered, unless, of course, you happen to be one of the pirated Chinese XP users.

Post the source of these stats please.

I figured by 2011 the rabid XP luddites would have died down a little. Judging from the thread I guess not. Maybe in 2014 when Microsoft finally pulls the life support plug on the poor old dinosaur.

And two months before the end date they'll extent it once again because the majority of windows users still use XP and it would be bad business for Microsoft. Hehe.

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So, if you lose access to your phone, computer, or password manager, you would still be able to log in using the passkey stored on your security key. Think of it like keeping an extra special necklace piece on a tiny keychain, stored somewhere safe. The website still has the matching half for that security key, but your half is safely stored inside the little key. A passkey does not automatically exist on every device you own. It lives wherever you save it. If your half is stored on one device, then that device is the one that has the matching piece. For example, if you create the passkey on your Windows computer and it is only saved to that computer, your iPhone does not automatically have that same half. If you create it on your iPhone and it only stays on that iPhone, your Android phone does not automatically have it either. That is where password managers come in. A password manager can act like a protected jewelry box for your passkeys. Instead of your half of the necklace being locked to only one device, the password manager can securely sync that half to your other approved devices. For example, Apple Passwords and iCloud Keychain can sync passkeys between your Apple devices. Google Password Manager can sync passkeys with your Google account. But password managers such as 1Password and Bitwarden can sync passkeys between everything, your phones, tablets and computers. Now, you might ask: “What happens if I lose access to the device that has my passkey?” That depends on where your passkey was saved and what recovery options the website gives you. If your passkey was synced through a password manager, you may be able to sign in from another device that has access to that same password manager. For example, if your passkey is saved in iCloud Keychain, Google Password Manager, 1Password, or Bitwarden, another approved device may still have access to it. If your passkey was saved only on one phone, computer, or security key, and you lose that device, then you may not have your half of the necklace anymore. In that case, you would usually need to use the website’s backup login or account recovery options. A lot of websites that support passkeys still let you fall back to your regular password. So if you lose access to your passkey, the site may still let you log in with your password, a code sent to your email, a text message, a recovery code, or some other account recovery process. That is convenient, but it is also important to understand: if the website still allows password login, then your password still matters. Passkeys are safer than passwords, but if your account still has a password as a backup, you should still use a strong, unique password and turn on two-factor authentication if the website offers it. This is why it is a good idea to have more than one safe way back into important accounts. For example, you might keep your passkey in a syncing password manager, add a second trusted device, save recovery codes somewhere safe, or set up a backup security key. A passkey is very secure, but just like a real key, you need a backup plan in case you lose access to it. Now, you might ask: “What stops a hacker from copying my half of the necklace?” That’s the important part: your half is protected. It is not something you type in, and it is not something the website gets to keep. Think of your half as being locked inside a tiny safe on your phone, computer, security key, or password manager. That safe only opens when you approve it with your fingerprint, face, PIN, or device password. When you log in, the website does not need to see your half. It only needs proof that your half matches its half. Your actual half is not handed over to the website. This is different from a password. With a password, you type the secret into the website. If you type it into a fake website, the hacker now has it. With a passkey, you are not typing your secret into the website. Your device is proving you have the matching half without giving the half away. That also helps protect you from fake websites. If someone makes a fake login page that looks like the real site, your device can tell it is not the real match. It will not use your passkey there. Now, could someone use your passkey if they stole your device, got into your password manager, or somehow unlocked the safe that holds your half? Yes, that is why your device password, PIN, fingerprint, face unlock, and password manager security still matter. But a hacker cannot just steal your passkey from the website or trick you into typing it into a fake page like they can with a password. That is why passkeys are safer than passwords. The two matching pieces have to come together, like two lovebirds who were once separated and are finally reunited.
    • Newegg offers insane combo deal on Amazon Prime Day 2026 that beats Steam Machine by Sayan Sen Building a PC is undoubtedly difficult nowadays but with this epic combo deal, Newegg is trying to make it as easy for you as it is possible. If you are making a new one or even upgrading an old system to a new Windows 11 device, this combo bundle is truly unmissable as you get AMD's Ryzen 9800X3D, a compatible X870 motherboard, a 240mm AIO liquid cooler and finally a Samsung 990 PRO SSD all for under $1000 (purchase link under the specs table down below). This should beat out the newly launched Steam Machine from Valve in terms of performance and performance per dollar especially if you are willing to set Linux up on it. Essentially with this combo you will get the AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D 8-core 3D V cache CPU, Samsung's 990 PRO 2TB NVMe SSD, the MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI ATX Motherboard, and finally the Cooler Master Elite Liquid 240. Thanks to that massive vertically stacked L3 cache, the X3D desktop processors, including the 9800X3D, also come with the benefit of not needing fast memory. Even DDR5-5600 should be plenty for it. The technical specifications of the Ryzen 7 9800X3D are given in the table below: Specification Value Architecture Zen 5 Cores / Threads 8 / 16 Base Clock 4.7 GHz Max Boost Clock Up to 5.2 GHz L1 Cache 640 KB L2 Cache 8 MB L3 Cache 96 MB Total Cache 104 MB CPU Core Process TSMC 4nm FinFET I/O Die Process TSMC 6nm FinFET Socket AM5 Default TDP 120W Max Temperature (Tjmax) 95°C Thermal Solution Not included Memory Type DDR5 Max Capacity 256 GB Memory Speeds 2x1R: DDR5-5600 2x2R: DDR5-5600 4x1R: DDR5-3600 4x2R: DDR5-3600 PCIe Version PCIe 5.0 PCIe Lanes (Total/Usable) 28 / 24 USB 3.2 Gen 2 (10Gbps) 4 USB 2.0 1 Graphics Cores 2 CU RDNA 2 Frequency 2200 MHz DisplayPort over USB-C Yes Overclocking Unlocked Up next we have the tech specs for the MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI Motherboard: Specification Value Chipset AMD X870 CPU Support AMD Ryzen 9000 / 8000 / 7000 Series Desktop Processors Socket AM5 Memory Slots 4 × DDR5 UDIMM Maximum Memory Capacity 256GB Memory Support DDR5 8400–5600 MT/s (OC), DDR5 5600–4800 MT/s (JEDEC) Integrated Graphics Outputs 1 × HDMI 2.1 FRL (up to 8K 60Hz) 2 × USB4 Type-C with DisplayPort 1.4 HBR3 (up to 4K 60Hz) Expansion Slots PCI_E1: PCIe 5.0 x16 (CPU) PCI_E2: PCIe 3.0 x1 (Chipset) PCI_E3: PCIe 4.0 x4 (Chipset) Audio Realtek ALC4080 Codec 7.1-Channel USB High Performance Audio Supports up to 32-bit/384kHz playback on front panel S/PDIF output M.2 Slots 4 × M.2 M2_1: PCIe 5.0 x4 (CPU, 22110/2280) M2_2: PCIe 5.0 x4 (CPU, 2280/2260) M2_3: PCIe 4.0 x2 (Chipset, 2280/2260) M2_4: PCIe 4.0 x4 (Chipset, 2280/2260) SATA Ports 4 × SATA 6Gb/s RAID Support RAID 0, 1, 5, 10 for M.2 NVMe storage devices Rear USB Ports 4 × USB 2.0 3 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 2 × USB 10Gbps Type-A 1 × USB 10Gbps Type-C 2 × USB4 40Gbps Type-C Front USB Headers 4 × USB 2.0 4 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 1 × USB 20Gbps Type-C LAN Realtek 8126-CG 5G LAN Wireless Wi-Fi 7 (M.2 Key-E module pre-installed) Supports 2.4GHz / 5GHz / 6GHz bands Up to 5.8Gbps Supports 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax/be Bluetooth Bluetooth 5.4, MLO, 4KQAM Internal Power Connectors 1 × 24-pin ATX Power 2 × CPU Power Connectors 1 × PCIe 8-pin Power Connector Fan Headers 1 × CPU Fan 1 × Combo Fan (Pump/System) 6 × System Fan RGB Headers 3 × Addressable V2 RGB (JARGB_V2) 1 × RGB LED (JRGB) Other Internal Headers 1 × EZ Conn-header 2 × Front Panel Headers 1 × Chassis Intrusion 1 × Front Audio 1 × TPM 2.0 Header Debug Features 4 × EZ Debug LEDs 1 × EZ Digit Debug LED Rear I/O Ports Clear CMOS Button Flash BIOS Button HDMI 2 × USB 40Gbps Type-C 1 × USB 10Gbps Type-C 4 × USB 10Gbps Type-A 3 × USB 5Gbps Type-A 4 × USB 2.0 5G LAN Port Wi-Fi/Bluetooth Antenna Connectors Audio Connectors Form Factor ATX The Samsung 990 PRO is a PCIe Gen4 NVMe SSD and still one of the fastest drives available today for under $500. Speaking of fast, sequential reads and writes are rated at 7450 MB/s and 6900 MB/s, respectively. The random throughputs for reads and writes are 1400K IOPS and 1550K IOPS, respectively. The 990 PRO is based on Samsung's 7th Gen V-NAND flash, and it too is TLC. It packs 2 gigs of LPDDR4 DRAM cache, which helps the random performance. The endurance rating for this is 1200 TBW (terabytes written), which should be sufficient for most users. The Samsung 990 PRO is compatible with the PlayStation 5, but if you are going to use the 990 PRO on a PC, check out the Samsung Magician app that lets you track your drive's health, update its firmware, customize various settings, and more. The tech specs are given below: Specification Value Interface PCIe Gen 4.0 x4, NVMe 2.0 Form Factor M.2 2280 Controller Samsung In-house Controller NAND Flash 3D TLC DRAM Cache 2GB LPDDR4 Sequential Read (Max) 7,450 MB/s Sequential Write (Max) 6,900 MB/s Random Read (4K) Up to 1,400,000 IOPS Random Write (4K) Up to 1,550,000 IOPS TBW (Endurance) 1,200 TBW MTBF 1,500,000 hours Operating Temperature 0°C to 70°C Storage Temperature -40°C to 85°C Shock Resistance 1,500G / 0.5ms Heatsink No Get the combo deal at this link: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D, Samsung 990 PRO 2TB, MSI MAG X870 TOMAHAWK WIFI motherboard, Cooler Master Elite Liquid 240: $784.99 + $25 off with promo code FTTF77: $759.99 (Sold and Shipped by Newegg US) Good to know This Newegg deal is U.S. specific, and not available in other regions unless specified. We only use first-party seller links (at the time of article publishing); ensure that you purchase from a first-party seller link only. 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