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[~Johnny]

HawkMan, on 20 May 2012 - 21:21, said:

The average user will just pick it up and click on what seems logical, not ask questions why it is so or why it is like that.

I agree with this. Literally, all of the older generation and people who aren't really technophobes who I've shown Windows 8 too - as soon I've showed it too them and told them that's the new Windows, they've literally said "okay" and got on with it. They don't care and they've not questioned it, and they've all seemed fine. As long as their stuff works, boom.

[CSharp.]

I actually believe that MS is going in the right direction here, albeit possibly a little too enthusiastically (with regard to the almost complete removal of shadows for example ) . At least the glass effect and transparency as part of the window chrome was never a good idea in my mind.

xpclient, on 20 May 2012 - 14:20, said:

They should make Julie Larson Green in charge of PowerShell. Then PowerShell will become simplified, fast and fluid, beautiful, re-imagined, no compromise, harmonious, immersive and Metro style. Any buzzwords I forgot?

Pretty sure you're missing an 'experience' somewhere in there...

GP007, on 20 May 2012 - 15:14, said:

LOL at the Fisher Price comments, welcome to 2002, XP called and it wants it's insult back.

Sadly, looking at the Metro start screen, the insult still applies a decade later.

Dot Matrix, on 20 May 2012 - 13:27, said:

How about one of these?

http://www.bing.com/...+PC&FORM=HDRSC2

That looks seriously uncomfortable in the one picture...:



In the words of Steven Sinofsky:

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I'm never going to sit here and hold my arm straight out

[Luis Mazza]

Windows 8 is very similar to Windows 3.1.
I'm sure that OS is going to be huge...
Sounds simple to you, guys?

LOL

[Luis Mazza]

Introducing... The Metro UI based on the still up to date, WINDOWS 1.0

[Calum]

Luis Mazza, on 20 May 2012 - 22:00, said:

Windows 8 is very similar to Windows 3.1.
I'm sure that OS is going to be huge...
Sounds simple to you, guys?

LOL

That looks nothing like Windows 8.

[Calum]

Luis Mazza, on 20 May 2012 - 22:05, said:

Introducing... The Metro UI based on the still up to date, WINDOWS 1.0

That looks nothing like the Metro experience.

[Luis Mazza]

Calum, on 20 May 2012 - 22:05, said:

That looks nothing like Windows 8.

How dare you? Can't you see all of the white and dual colors? Can't you see plain text and colors?
What exactly does not resemble Windows 8's desktop?

[GP007]

That Sinofsky quote brings up an interesting fact, he's a die-hard kb user who loves kb shortcuts. He's said this back when the DP was released on stage, and to that extent Win8 is packed with KB shortcuts, even more of them than Win7. Every element in Windows Explorer, and it's ribbon now have a kb shortcut. Plus it's easier to learn because you get hints once you press ctrl right on the ribbon.

You can, within a short bit of time, learn to use the whole OS, even the start screen, with just your kb and never have to use touch or a mouse. I think this fact is telling to all those who argue that this is just for touch and so on. I also think it's telling that other OSs and desktop environments are also taking the same approach but still using static icons instead of live tiles. OSX Line tosses up a full screen grid of icons in it's new launcher now, GNOME3 does the same thing as well, while heavily backing search as a way to find and start apps instead of digging through a menu. Say what you will but from what I've seen everyone is going in this general direction. Though Win8 is just the first step I expect that come Win9 the desktop and start screen will match fully and we'll also be able to toss metro apps over into the desktop instead of having them limited to full screen. WinRT as an API/Platform isn't ready for that yet so how it's used in the OS is walled off for now.

[HawkMan]

Luis Mazza, on 20 May 2012 - 22:00, said:

Windows 8 is very similar to Windows 3.1.
I'm sure that OS is going to be huge...
Sounds simple to you, guys?

LOL

Exactly how is it AT ALL similar? You don't sound like you've used either OS. And if you think the screenshots are similar, you're also blind. They're about as similar as driving an old steam powered car and driving a modern automatic.

[MorganX]

RE Touch on destktops: not viable for what will now go back to being called "workstation" users. For the AIO in the kitchen running a cookbook app while soccer mom "glances" at email and facebook it will be great. They will be much more productive than they are now and it will be easier for them. There are millions.

For "workstation" users, it's a nuisance on the desktop which could be avoided by making it possible to boot to the desktop. Those using a workstation, rarely or never, "glance" at the start menu for anything.

[Luis Mazza]

Calum, on 20 May 2012 - 22:06, said:

That looks nothing like the Metro experience.

Can't you see the tiles? Everything is super square.
Don't fool yourself because of some fast animations. It actually turns the experience too fast and cluttered for old ladies and gentlemen.
Simple is better

[Luis Mazza]

HawkMan, on 20 May 2012 - 22:08, said:

Exactly how is it AT ALL similar? You don't sound like you've used either OS. And if you think the screenshots are similar, you're also blind. They're about as similar as driving an old steam powered car and driving a modern automatic.

There comes the lovely "I love everything, really-you don't know, because you don't agree with mel" sir.

[CSharp.]

Calum, on 20 May 2012 - 22:06, said:

That looks nothing like the Metro experience.

Right. Because it's impossible to have three Metro-style apps visible at the same time... (scnr)

[Stoffel]

GP007, on 20 May 2012 - 21:56, said:

The desktop is still more or less the same, you don't have to learn anything new on that end, so the majority of people will use it like they used Win7. The start screen isn't at all complex, just tell them about the hot corners and what they do and the difference between metro and classic desktop apps and done. How is this really that hard? And besides that, have the millions out there who own a iPad run out and gotten training on using the UI? What about when they buy a smartphone for the first time with all the different UIs out there? I really doubt it, why should the PC be any different? Win8 will have a tutorial and or a getting started guide, people will just read it like they do for all the other devices they buy and have to learn, and in the end they'll learn it without issue.

Totally agree with you, I've been saying this myself for the last few months.
If they all can learn how to use a smartphone or a tablet, how hard can it be to adjust to a slightly different Windows

[Calum]

CJEric, on 20 May 2012 - 22:16, said:

Right. Because it's impossible to have three Metro-style apps visible at the same time... (scnr)

Haha, good one