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[Javik]

Colin McGregor, on 03 June 2012 - 02:17, said:

omg damn you MS for changing something that takes even my sister (who knows squat about pcs btw) a day tops to learn and enjoy. The fact people talk about it like its so hard to use or that its crippling is making me doubt the *tech* intelligence of some people here.

Yeah, because we happen not to like something it just happens to logically follow that we simply must be idiots that don't understand it. I mean WinRT is simply so awesome that it's inconceivable for a person to have a legitimate reason to want not to use it. Perhaps we'd all be better off being drones that simply did what we are told and didn't dare to have opinions of our own.

Or in the words of Phillip J Fry "SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!!!"

[Luis Mazza]

Colin McGregor, on 03 June 2012 - 02:17, said:

omg damn you MS for changing something that takes even my sister (who knows squat about pcs btw) a day tops to learn and enjoy. The fact people talk about it like its so hard to use or that its crippling is making me doubt the *tech* intelligence of some people here.

I wonder what your sister does with the PC other than messaging, web and photo browsing.
Give her an iPad and she will enjoy it even more.

[Seketh]

Luis Mazza, on 03 June 2012 - 01:49, said:

I find it interesting when Microsoft Angels come and tell you that "you have to learn" or that "it happened when 95 came out, or XP, whatever".

You guys are completely missing the point, because computers are now easier to use than before: the changes in UI were implemented because they added new features to improve people's productivity, That's not the case anymore. Microsoft has changed everything in Windows 8 not to make it more productive or add new features... The company made a MESS of an OS to try to grab the tablet market AND the desktop market.
It is clearly not pleasing any of those costumers because the OS is too heavy for a tablet (on heavy computer-like tablets) and it is a mess of an UI for desktop users.

Windows 8 did not improve the UI... It is a frankenstein UI. All of the other improvements in the desktop OS (which are great, BTW) are being totally eclipsed by this HORRIFYING, FRANKENSTEIN, NO SENSE UI.

Nobody has to "wait for the apps" or "wait for Microsoft" for this or that... There are already great OS that do the job, like Mac OS X and Windows 7.

This garbage is gonna flop hard. I can hardly believe a company the size of Microsoft, which does Windows for about 30 years could do such a shameless job with this OS.

Your whole argument about productivity is the same as these, and fails in the same way:

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• “Mice are nice ideas, but of dubious value for business users” (George Vinall, PC Week, April 24, 1984)
  
• “There is no evidence that people want to use these things.” (John C. Dvorak, San Francisco Examiner, February 19, 1984)
  
• “I was having lots of fun, but in the back of my corporate mind, I couldn't help but think about productivity.” (George Vinall, PC Week, April 24, 1984)
  
• “Does the mouse make the computer more accessible, more friendly, to certain target audiences such as executives? The answer is no.” (Computerworld, October 31, 1983)
  
• “There is no possibility that this device will feel more comfortable to the executive than the keyboard. Because of its ‘rollability,’ the mouse has the aura of a gimmick…” (Computerworld, October 31, 1983)
  
• “The mouse and its friends are merely diversions in this process. What sounds revolutionary does not necessarily help anyone with anything, and therein lies the true test of commercial longevity.” (David A. Kay, Datamation, October 1983)

[Luis Mazza]

Seketh, on 03 June 2012 - 02:30, said:

Your whole argument about productivity is the same as these, and fails in the same way:

I don't even know why I'm gonna answer to this misunderstanding, because you can't even post something without a garbage and you copy and paste arguments out of nowhere.

Anyway... I did not bash the touch interface, I'm criticizing the complete bad use of it, trying to fit it with a mouse UI.

Can you understand that or is it too hard for you??

[BajiRav]

Luis Mazza, on 03 June 2012 - 02:36, said:

I don't even know why I'm gonna answer to this misunderstanding, because you can't even post something without a garbage and you copy and paste arguments out of nowhere.

Anyway... I did not bash the touch interface, I'm criticizing the complete bad use of it, trying to fit it with a mouse UI.

Can you understand that or is it too hard for you??

Uh...don't use metro apps on non-touch PCs? Pin only desktop apps and be done?

[Luis Mazza]

BajiRav, on 03 June 2012 - 02:42, said:

Uh...don't use metro apps on non-touch PCs? Pin only desktop apps and be done?

What do I do with the annoying "Charm Bar" showing up every time I point the mouse to the bottom right of the screen?

Why do I have to search for Administrative Tools inside the search box of the Control Panel only and not from the search in the Charm Bar?

What is this name "Charm Bar" anyway?

Why checkdisk is replaced with a black screen when I boot up?

Why can't I simply disable Metro?

Whats the benefit of pulling the screen down to view all of those tiles?

Why a high resolution display looks horrible even on high DPIs?

Those are only a few annoyances.

[grayscale]

BajiRav, on 03 June 2012 - 02:42, said:

Uh...don't use metro apps on non-touch PCs? Pin only desktop apps and be done?

^This.
It's not as if you're always forced to stare at the start screen. When you login and be presented with the start screen, press ESC and just run desktop apps as if you're on Win7,

[rfirth]

BajiRav, on 03 June 2012 - 02:42, said:

Uh...don't use metro apps on non-touch PCs? Pin only desktop apps and be done?

If you're using a desktop computer, this is what you should be doing.

Anyone complaining that metro apps don't work well on the desktop is trying to dig trenches with silver spoons... by choice! Don't like metro apps? Don't use them. The-Desktop-Is-Still-There.gif

The start screen is a nice task launcher, even on desktop computers. It's much easier to navigate with a mouse than the old start menu. No need to manually scroll.

[Melfster]

I actually find windows 8 desktop to be faster then Windows 7. I really don't have a problem with metro interface but I don't use it..., Maybe on a table I would use it more. Anytime anyone changes anything for any reason people cry all the time just suck it up and use it or don't use it. But stop complaining.

[Deranged]

Luis Mazza, on 03 June 2012 - 01:49, said:

I find it interesting when Microsoft Angels come and tell you that "you have to learn" or that "it happened when 95 came out, or XP, whatever".

You guys are completely missing the point, because computers are now easier to use than before: the changes in UI were implemented because they added new features to improve people's productivity, That's not the case anymore. Microsoft has changed everything in Windows 8 not to make it more productive or add new features... The company made a MESS of an OS to try to grab the tablet market AND the desktop market.
It is clearly not pleasing any of those costumers because the OS is too heavy for a tablet (on heavy computer-like tablets) and it is a mess of an UI for desktop users.

Windows 8 did not improve the UI... It is a frankenstein UI. All of the other improvements in the desktop OS (which are great, BTW) are being totally eclipsed by this HORRIFYING, FRANKENSTEIN, NO SENSE UI.

Nobody has to "wait for the apps" or "wait for Microsoft" for this or that... There are already great OS that do the job, like Mac OS X and Windows 7.

This garbage is gonna flop hard. I can hardly believe a company the size of Microsoft, which does Windows for about 30 years could do such a shameless job with this OS.

I'm an angel? Sweet. (*polishes obviously tarnished chrome halo*)

And I am far more productive in 8 than I was in 7. ON A DESKTOP! WOO!

[Luis Mazza]

randomevent, on 03 June 2012 - 03:16, said:

I'm an angel? Sweet. (*polishes obviously tarnished chrome halo*)

And I am far more productive in 8 than I was in 7. ON A DESKTOP! WOO!

...said the vicious, addicted gamer.

[Order_66]

rfirth, on 03 June 2012 - 00:06, said:

Do you really find the start screen that confusing? Windows 8 really isn't all that different from Windows 7.

Sounds like you haven't used either 7 or 8 at all.

[Order_66]

randomevent, on 03 June 2012 - 00:07, said:

New interfaces aren't for people with no desire to learn them. I suspect there's a generation gap on who's willing to adjust to the new stuff and who isn't.

Yes that's what it is, a generation gap omg! /s

[rfirth]

Order_66, on 03 June 2012 - 03:31, said:

Sounds like you haven't used either 7 or 8 at all.

Maybe it's that I've used Windows 8 too much. It's second nature now.

[BajiRav]

Order_66, on 03 June 2012 - 03:31, said:

Sounds like you haven't used either 7 or 8 at all.

Well I am using both instead of whining on online forums.