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[Condere]

Josh the Nerd, on 31 July 2012 - 03:43, said:

I don't think disabling the Start screen necessarily means that a customer wouldn't be interested in any Metro apps. For the average customer, I think it'd be less infuriating to hear "This is a Windows 8 computer, so it has a Start screen instead of a Start menu." than "To use my app, you have to disable the Start menu."

I still think they should put the Start button back, which slides out the Start screen. Instead of the "they took away the Start button and the Start Menu", it could be "look at our new and improved Start Menu which is easily accessible from the Start button. This Start Menu has specially designed applications that run within the Start Menu."

[Anthonyd]

Condere, on 07 August 2012 - 15:52, said:

I still think they should put the Start button back, which slides out the Start screen. Instead of the "they took away the Start button and the Start Menu", it could be "look at our new and improved Start Menu which is easily accessible from the Start button. This Start Menu has specially designed applications that run within the Start Menu."

The start button isn't gone, it has been moved to the charm bar (you know, the new thing that you'll use daily on Windows 8 ...).

[Wakers]

The way that you can log in with a live account and have everything sync between devices is just awesome. Already make extensive use of this.

[+Brando212]

Anthonyd, on 07 August 2012 - 16:37, said:

The start button isn't gone, it has been moved to the charm bar (you know, the new thing that you'll use daily on Windows 8 ...).

it's still down in the bottom left corner too

[Anthonyd]

Brando212, on 07 August 2012 - 16:41, said:

it's still down in the bottom left corner too

True. but condere is missing the point where the (main) start button has been moved to the charm bar to show the new features of Windows, in fact he is complaining that MS doesn't put the new features in front of the user where it's totally what they are doing.

[Condere]

Anthonyd, on 07 August 2012 - 17:08, said:

True. but condere is missing the point where the (main) start button has been moved to the charm bar to show the new features of Windows, in fact he is complaining that MS doesn't put the new features in front of the user where it's totally what they are doing.

I'm not missing the point at all, I probably should have added something to my post.

There are plenty of people out there, trust me I am in IT and part of a firm that has been letting clients of ours trial Win8 because we feel that they have operations within their businesses that could probably use to upgrade.

My/our experience is that people don't like Win8, and I feel it is because the user sits down at their PC and becomes frustrated with the drastic changes to the UI. It is just like what job coaches and books will tell you about interviews. Make your impression when you walk through that door. Win8 with a lot of people is walking through that door with a beer in one hand, a joint in the other, with headphones on, and they are wearing their pajamas.

So my viewpoint is that they should have done the Start button/orb thing (maybe even have that hidden until the mouse moves nearyby) still needing to be clicked to get back to the Start Screen. Then with Win9 transition to what we have now.

BTW, yes I know the charm bar... all that stuff. I've used Win8 quite a bit. Win8 doesn't bother me one way or another. I use it, and I get things done on it just like Win7, and past iterations. My users who have been using Win8, unlike other posters on here who claim their family/friends/etc have had no problems migrating have been having lots of problems getting familiar with it.

There are probably tons of reasons for that (age, computer use xp, etc). However watching these people use Win8 over their shoulder, I stand by my opinion that the Start Button removal should be one more OS version away with some sort of graduated step.

Edited by Condere, 07 August 2012 - 18:30.