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#1 ir0nw0lf

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:19

I have been digging through all the posts here and can't find a solid, 100% confirmation on the following:

Can you install the Windows 8 Upgrade on a totally blank (ie new) hard drive? I keep seeing people post that they booted off the disc and were able to do a clean install, but they don't always indicate if there was an existing OS installed, which the upgrade disc would obviously see. Has anyone taken a totally empty/new drive with absolutely nothing on it prior to booting off the upgrade disc, no other drives with an OS that might be seen, and installed Windows 8 and have it activate properly? Microsoft supposedly has said a previous OS has to be installed/seen.


#2 thekim

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:21

I did, called the Micosoft that the cd-key doesnt work they made a msdt activation with me and it works. inconvenient but well.

#3 Shane Nokes

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:23

There must be a prior base license...yes you can do a clean install, but only with a prior OS installed so it can verify eligibility.

I did, called the Micosoft that the cd-key doesnt work they made a msdt activation with me and it works. inconvenient but well.


So the answer is no, but you called and managed to get them to activate it for you in violation of the license terms.

#4 OP ir0nw0lf

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:24

OK, so no empty (new) drive installs? Well drat, was looking to replace my mechanical drives in my laptop with SSD drives, guess I will have to install Windows 7 on the new empty SSD then Windows 8. That sucks.

#5 thekim

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:25

...So the answer is no, but you called and managed to get them to activate it for you in violation of the license terms.


He asked me also for me earlier Windows Version and I gave him also my Windows 7 key so everything is fine.

#6 Shane Nokes

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:28

That's the nature of upgrade installs, and part of why they are called upgrade installs. :)

The other option is to pay the $100 for the system builder media, and that can be used for clean installs, and even includes the cool (well I like it) sticker showing that it has a genuine Windows 8 license. :)

He asked me also for me earlier Windows Version and I gave him also my Windows 7 key so everything is fine.


It still violates the license terms if you read them carefully. Anyone can toss them a key that they picked up from somewhere on the internet. The reason for the upgrade is to allow it to make sure the license is actually activated on that machine & currently valid.

I won't keep arguing the point here though as I don't want to fill the thread with clutter.

#7 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:28

Or just get the disk from MSDN and use that for your clean install. The limitations on upgrade media are laughable, you should be able to just enter the product key of the OS you're upgrading from and do a clean install. Having to go through convoluted (and sometimes illegal means if you don't have an MSDN account) to perform a clean install of a product you legitimately purchased is silly.

#8 Shane Nokes

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:30

Or just get the disk from MSDN and use that for your clean install. The limitations on upgrade media are laughable, you should be able to just enter the product key of the OS you're upgrading from and do a clean install. Having to go through convoluted (and sometimes illegal means if you don't have an MSDN account) to perform a clean install of a product you legitimately purchased is silly.


What good would the disk from MSDN do when it's the license (not the disc...and this has been the case for over a decade) that determines the eligibility for upgrade or full install?

/facepalm

#9 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:32

What good would the disk from MSDN do when it's the license that determines the eligibility for upgrade or full install?

/facepalm


Given that I've seen several people post that they could perform a clean install with the MSDN image but not the image acquired through the upgrade actually I'd say it has quite a lot of benefit. My comment wasn't about eligibility for the upgrade it was about bypassing the silly limitations on actually installing it. Perhaps it might be wise to actually understand the point that I'm attempting to make before reactionary silliness ;)

#10 Shane Nokes

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:37

Given that I've seen several people post that they could perform a clean install with the MSDN image but not the image acquired through the upgrade actually I'd say it has quite a lot of benefit. My comment wasn't about eligibility for the upgrade it was about bypassing the silly limitations on actually installing it. Perhaps it might be wise to actually understand the point that I'm attempting to make before reactionary silliness ;)


I understood the point, but you missed mine.

The disc for retail installs, both full version and upgrade are 100% identical down to the last bit. You can check if you wish by doing a hash comparison.

What determines if the install behaves as an upgrade or full install is the actual key itself. This has been true for over a decade now.

I thought I stated that quite clearly. Apparently not.

/Facepalm x2

#11 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:45

So explain then why people are having trouble performing clean installs and then activating them with the upgrade disk, but not with the MSDN disk? The install media provided for the £14.99 upgrade must differ in some way to the media provided for the normal upgrade. So again, maybe drop the smug arrogance and actually address the points being raised?

#12 Shane Nokes

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:48

So explain then why people are having trouble performing clean installs and then activating them with the upgrade disk, but not with the MSDN disk? The install media provided for the £14.99 upgrade must differ in some way to the media provided for the normal upgrade. So again, maybe drop the smug arrogance and actually address the points being raised?


There is no smug arrogance. I've been consulting for MS for over a decade now, and actually spent the last 4 years working directly on campus.

I'm trying to provide some facts here and you're ignoring them and being rude in the process.

The media is the same. It's not an upgrade disc. It's a disc, and the KEY determines the install, not the disc.

The people who are having success have a base license still on the disc (ie an earlier OS installed, but can still do a clean install) vs people who are trying to do the install on a bare drive with no base license. That's the difference between those 2 groups.

Can you please tell me what part of that isn't being 100% clear?

You know what...nevermind...

#13 Javik

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:50

So answer my damn question then, why are some people reporting that they couldn't perform a clean install and then legitimately activate their product with the upgrade disk but could with the MSDN disk? I'm looking for hard facts, not appeals to authority.

#14 Stoffel

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:50

There is no smug arrogance. I've been consulting for MS for over a decade now, and actually spent the last 4 years working directly on campus.

I'm trying to provide some facts here and you're ignoring them and being rude in the process.

The media is the same. It's not an upgrade disc. It's a disc, and the KEY determines the install, not the disc.

Can you please tell me what part of that isn't being 100% clear?

You know what...nevermind...


Hey if you are working on the MS campus, can you by any chance tell me why I still get the message that I can't download Win8 in my country/region when I run the upgrade assistant? I live in Honduras

#15 Shane Nokes

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Posted 26 October 2012 - 15:53

So answer my damn question then, why are some people reporting that they couldn't perform a clean install and then legitimately activate their product with the upgrade disk but could with the MSDN disk? I'm looking for hard facts, not appeals to authority.


I edited it to answer that specific question, and put in a report to staff. You are being ridiculous and I'm done.

Hey if you are working on the MS campus, can you by any chance tell me why I still get the message that I can't download Win8 in my country/region when I run the upgrade assistant? I live in Honduras


I'm currently on hiatus so don't have access to information regarding that. I would recommend contacting one of the official support channels.

BTW I assume you tried getting the tool from the official Windows purchase site in Honduras right?
http://windows.micro...g_FPP_Null_Null



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