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#271 Kosh Naranek

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:24

View PostDot Matrix, on 27 November 2012 - 03:20, said:

What the frak are you doing? What pink colors? What hideous colors? I see NONE on the desktop. Where are you right clicking to change the desktop wallpaper? 'Personalize' is still in the same spot.

If you want a different MP3 app, use Program Defaults, and change it.

Win+E opens 'Computer'.

Metro apps are full screen. Boo Hoo.

I know metro apps are full screen. :rofl:

This is what I'm talking about
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Now compare that to win 7
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#272 LogicalApex

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:26

View PostJoni_78, on 27 November 2012 - 05:16, said:



True, but the decision to go ahead with Julie's plans was Sinofskys.

And then interestingly she wasn't given Sinofsky's job directly. I read the position was split over two people and structured differently.

I don't think this is an admission of metro failure though it is interesting.

#273 Shane Nokes

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:31

View PostMorganX, on 27 November 2012 - 02:57, said:

No, with the old Start Menu you never lost sight of the entire desktop and whatever was going on it. Everything stayed in front of you. Like the current Start Page, you just type the name of the app and click on it, again, never losing sight of the desktop or having to scroll or survey more than the well defined area of the Start menu to find the result and click on it. Definitely didn't have to click Apps/Files/or Settings.

I'm not saying Metro isn't workable, but the notion that the Windows 7 Start Menu was inefficient or that the Start Page is more efficient is a stretch IMO. So many things are "more" work, whether click, draggin' selectin' or eyeball movin'. Metro works on the desktop but wasn't made for the desktop and we all know that.

I didn't say lost sight. I said lost focus. As in the start menu was now the active item...which means it had focus. It's a term that refers to the active work item.

So in order to use the start menu, you have to actively disengage from working on something else. You also have to do that with the start screen.

The difference again is in aesthetics...the visual presentation.

Also it's not a stretch. What is better...clicking through a hierarchical folder structure down multiple levels...or having it presented to you directly without having to dig?

Efficiency wise? The way they present things now as flat is better.

View PostJoni_78, on 27 November 2012 - 05:16, said:

True, but the decision to go ahead with Julie's plans was Sinofskys.

I understand your point, but things don't quite work that way in the corporate world. If you hate something you don't fire the guy who said 'ok' and put the person who designed it in charge of everything for the next version...since you are likely to get more of the same.

Think about it from a logical standpoint...not from a top-down standpoint.

Grr...getting so ticked off that I can't mention practical examples since it will bring down the 'he thinks he is superior to us with his hidden knowledge' brigade.

#274 rippleman

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 05:41

View PostShane Nokes, on 27 November 2012 - 05:31, said:

Grr...getting so ticked off that I can't mention practical examples since it will bring down the 'he thinks he is superior to us with his hidden knowledge' brigade.

Not your fault you think everyone else is wrong and you are always right. Its just your personality. People tend to not like people like that.

#275 Shane Nokes

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 08:58

View Postrippleman, on 27 November 2012 - 05:41, said:



Not your fault you think everyone else is wrong and you are always right. Its just your personality. People tend to not like people like that.

I don't even feel that way. :p

If I know something I prefer being able to share what I know. I also like being able to provide a perspective that comes from direct experience.

People here don't like that it seems. So now I'm stuck having to read my posts multiple times to make sure I don't upset anyone due to an example or mention of a project or group.

Heck the only reason I spend time here is that I like providing info. It is also why I'm highly selective about what teams I choose to work with. I like jobs with high customer impact, even if it means never being a stock option billionaire everyone knows. :p

I'd rather have the job with impact and geek 'cred' over the high visibility gig any day of the week. :)

#276 Uplift

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:02

I still can't believe they didn't give us a new icon set.

#277 Shane Nokes

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 09:08

View PostUplift, on 27 November 2012 - 09:02, said:

I still can't believe they didn't give us a new icon set.

Well they did...for things inside the new UI. I didn't expect new Icons in the Desktop space since it is being viewed as a legacy area.

#278 PGHammer

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 20:45

View PostLogicalApex, on 27 November 2012 - 04:27, said:

Exactly, Microsoft knows this very well. Consumers aren't "stuck in their ways" or "old fashioned" otherwise Apple's biggest problem wouldn't be where to store their endless bundles of cash. Consumers are willing to try and embrace new when it brings tangible benefits to the table for them.

The risks are so high with Windows 8 for them that I feel they just overshot and if this thing goes the way all of their latest shots have went they have a major problem on their hands. They are stoking the coals with developers that mobile is very important, but run the risk of those developers jumping for the existing successful platforms instead. This is why I feel they severely screwed up with Windows 8 in some major and fundamental ways. They are only bringing one real carrot to the table here. They are bringing millions of Windows desktop users to the table for a strong incentive for the developers, but they failed to bring something for the consumers.

Microsoft really needs to break the ecosystem pull of Apple and Google for users. Since Microsoft was willing to radically rethink the PC their primary focus should have been building a strong ecosystem. As it stands now, they have two separate "Stores" with one for Windows 8 Desktop & Tablet and another for Windows Phone. They have a phone which can't sync music with the PC properly. They have a PC littered with "charms" and they failed to deliver any solid vision for developers to be inspired by on how to use it.

It will be hard to pull users from iOS when they have spent thousands on apps, docks, speaker sets, etc... The same is true for Android, at least for apps.

To be honest, the **** poor release by Microsoft shows either arrogance or desperation and I'm not sure which is worse for them at this stage.

It may have been a smarter choice for them to release Windows 8 in a year or two from now when they could have ironed this out, but we're here now.

The problem is that waiting was not an option for the very reason you pointed out.

There is an impatience being shown - egged on by the punditocracy that loves anything not Microsoft.

Microsoft - plain and simply - did not have the extra time.

Google got away with it because they had NO legacy infrastructure. Apple, compared to Microsoft, is a niche.

As I've been posting for the past several months, the rise of devices caught Microsoft flat-footed.

If Microsoft waited, they risked not being able to counter that rise at all (the user base would be too ingrained in Android and iOS for Microsoft to make ANY inroads).

We as tech users and developers know it; we aren't stupid.

However, that means that if we want to do something about it, we have to accept a change in what Windows itself is and what it is about.

THAT is where we're balking.

Windows has been where it is for almost two decades - a desktop and workstation-focussed OS - its own niche. (It's a rather LARGE niche; however, it's still a niche.)

We, as users, have balked at any and every attempt to expand Windows out of that box we've caged it in. (The only thing that has succeeded is Azure.)

Look at any and every attempt Microsoft has made to expand Windows out of the "computing" niche - other than Azure (which succeeded by being obscure), we as users have done our darndest to force Windows back into the box.

Even though we're quite aware that unless Windows breaks OUT of that box, devices will encroach and start eating its lunch, we're still trying to keep Windows (and thus Microsoft) in that cage.

Are we, as users, THAT nihilistic?

#279 spudtrooper

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:01

Microsoft has sold 40 million copies of Windows 8 to date. All you naysayers can shut up now k thxbai :)

http://www.winsyde.c...s-of-windows-8/

#280 mram

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:19

View Postspudtrooper, on 27 November 2012 - 21:01, said:

Microsoft has sold 40 million copies of Windows 8 to date. All you naysayers can shut up now k thxbai :)

http://www.winsyde.c...s-of-windows-8/

Yay! 4% of the entire install base of Windows has upgraded! Break out the champagne folks.

I would venture to guess a large chunk of that are developers, corporate evaluators, and reporters.

Note it also does not count people who downgrade, nor does it separate OEM preinstallations.

#281 spudtrooper

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:27

View Postmram, on 27 November 2012 - 21:19, said:

Yay! 4% of the entire install base of Windows has upgraded! Break out the champagne folks.

I would venture to guess a large chunk of that are developers, corporate evaluators, and reporters.

Note it also does not count people who downgrade, nor does it separate OEM preinstallations.

Can I have some of what you're on?

Ballmer stated they will have 400 million licenses by years end. They're well on their way to achieve that now. 40 million is 40 million regardless of who..

#282 Dot Matrix

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:31

View PostKosh Naranek, on 27 November 2012 - 05:24, said:

I know metro apps are full screen. :rofl: This is what I'm talking about Posted Image Now compare that to win 7 Posted Image

Still not sure what you are complaining about. Explorer looks normal to me.

#283 siah1214

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:35

View PostDot Matrix, on 27 November 2012 - 21:31, said:

Still not sure what you are complaining about. Explorer looks normal to me.
He's bitching about the pink app icon. Which is fixed by changing the default media player.

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 21:59

View PostKosh Naranek, on 27 November 2012 - 05:24, said:

I know metro apps are full screen. :rofl:

This is what I'm talking about
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Now compare that to win 7
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Right click -> Open With. Choose WMP and it will ask you if you want to make that the default program for .avi files. Pink icon gone

#285 BajiRav

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Posted 27 November 2012 - 22:13

View Postnotchinese, on 27 November 2012 - 21:59, said:

Right click -> Open With. Choose WMP and it will ask you if you want to make that the default program for .avi files. Pink icon gone
BUT BUT HOW DO I REMOVE THE PINK HIGHLIGHT IN THE RIBBON???!!!

/s