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At the end of the day, Microsoft took a very 'very' big gamble with this, they knew that, cards on the table, all chips down etc. - oh yes they did! Factor into that the 'low price' tactics, and sudden change of 'upgrade' methods (yup, I'm sure MS did not let that loophole slip by them unintentionally ;)) and then Sinboy leaving, well, make your mind up from there. I ain't fooled, but I'm just sad that many were.

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their sales can't be too bad, i just paid $15 for it this morning, and already back on windows 7. So they got $15 for nothing, ha.

Maybe it'll improve over time, i don't know. Was slower on my desktop than 7 was, and the hideous visuals made it even worse. Tried to force myself to like it, but i'm not as good at that as others.

and before others say it, yes im afraid of change.... when the change isn't for the better.

You know I noticed that too? It's slower, very subtle, but it's slower to the point it gets obnoxious and I couldn't deal with it anymore. I too paid $15, and chalked it up as a life lesson, don't buy into a new Windows OS until it's been run through with updates.

Explain why not? There is no other company attempting to put the exact same UI on all of their devices... Apple has the largest footprint in the mobile market and they haven't tried this. If it were the only way then why is Apple still so successful? Why aren't we reading news everyday about the extreme shortage of any and everything Windows 8 related? Really, you're just spouting nonsense. Microsoft is hoping this unified experience will be accepted by the marketplace as it will allow them to leverage the Windows monopoly in the mobile space; something that has consistently failed to date.

The reality is, Windows Phone has been an abysmal failure for Microsoft and they are afraid of the same thing happening to their tablets. Microsoft isn't concerned for consumers, as I've said in the past, they are concerned with developers. If Microsoft is going to win against Google and Apple in the mobile space they need developer passion to be on their side and that is what's been missing. Windows Phone failed to sell well because developers largely ignored the platform. Microsoft wants developers writing apps for Windows devices first and, if possible, nothing else. The monopoly they have on the desktop is played this way. The bulk of software is on Windows and nothing else.

Windows 8 is a mess because it is being used as a pawn in a chess game. "Metro" is 100% the same as it is on the tablet for a very solid reason. Microsoft can dangle the millions of Windows desktop users as carrots in front of developers to mask their poor install base in tablets. They hope the Windows install base will help them ramp up very fast against Apple in the app space and potentially become the leader very quickly. This isn't all that different in the way they played the war against Netscape really.

I just wish we can stop getting these statements from people like you, Dot Matrix, that Windows 8 had to be the way it is. It did not and was done this way for a very straightforward reason. To really pull developers back to the Windows fold in a serious way.

That's why we lack options. If we could opt out of the new Start Screen we would be opting out of Metro if we could opt out of Metro Microsoft would lose the carrot it is danging in front of developers.

My opinion? Microsoft overshot this time. They really didn't bring anything to Metro for desktop users while introducing a slew of inconsistencies and problems for them. In reality, they should have pushed hard with a strong link between Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT (the phone and tablet OS should be the same). They should have added bridges to to desktop where it makes sense and slowly pulled the link closer where it makes sense to do so (like syncing photos as you take them, for instance).

The real gauge of Windows 8 success to watch over the next year is how it affects developer interest. If developers are still primarily focusing on iOS and Android in the mobile space in a year and Windows 8/Metro/Whatever they call it is a distant after thought then they have failed miserably.

I have explained. Multiple times. Also, where is Windows Phone a failure? I don't see that. WP7 is still developed for. WP8 just launched, and I just had a handful of friends dump their old Android and iPhone sets for new WP8 devices. I get my WP8 upgrade in January. The market is nicely setting up Microsoft to support the changes in Windows 8, and carry them over to Windows 9.

The market is pushing for change. The desktop just isn't what it used to be in the consumer space anymore. If Microsoft really wants to expand their horizons, things have to change. If the old Windows is on a sustainable path, then where are the developers? Where are the killer Windows 7 apps? Where are the signs that Microsoft was wrong to change? The only noise your getting is from a few power users who are set in their ways.

I can't tell you how nice it is to finally have some of these apps on my desktop. Windows has been missing a Calendar forever. Now we have one in 8. The Skype app is so much more better in Windows 8, than it is on the desktop. The desktop app is archaic, slow, and buggy. The Chromeless UI of Evernote, and OneNote finally allow me to work without being interrupted or distracted by nonsense.

I have explained. Multiple times. Also, where is Windows Phone a failure? I don't see that. WP7 is still developed for. WP8 just launched, and I just had a handful of friends dump their old Android and iPhone sets for new WP8 devices. I get my WP8 upgrade in January. The market is nicely setting up Microsoft to support the changes in Windows 8, and carry them over to Windows 9.

The market is pushing for change. The desktop just isn't what it used to be in the consumer space anymore. If Microsoft really wants to expand their horizons, things have to change. If the old Windows is on a sustainable path, then where are the developers? Where are the killer Windows 7 apps? Where are the signs that Microsoft was wrong to change? The only noise your getting is from a few power users who are set in their ways.

I can't tell you how nice it is to finally have some of these apps on my desktop. Windows has been missing a Calendar forever. Now we have one in 8. The Skype app is so much more better in Windows 8, than it is on the desktop. The desktop app is archaic, slow, and buggy. The Chromeless UI of Evernote, and OneNote finally allow me to work without being interrupted or distracted by nonsense.

No killer Windows 7 apps? Where are the Windows 7 developers? WHAT?! So.....no "killer" apps existed until Windows 8 came out? What about the Adobe Suite (PAINT.NET, GIMP, ...)? Microsoft Office (OpenOffice, LibreOffice, ...)? Steam (Impulse, and yes Origin)? FileZilla? Visual Studio? FL Studio (Sony ACID)? And there are many many more. So you want to see 10,000 Word Processing apps in order to say Windows is successful? I am sorry, we already have FAR BETTER ones like OpenOffice, LibreOffice, and Microsoft Office. No offense if you are making a Word processing application. Microsoft HAS...I repeat...HAS to change their entire OS in order to have 10,000 word processing apps so people will think they are successful? Just do a google search and you will see how many other word processing applications there are.

Windows had a calendar for years, just click the time and there it is. Most people do not use a calendar that they can put information/schedule in there. I believe one of the Windows Live Essentials programs had it

Explain to me why the desktop OS cannot, under any conditions, provide options? Everybody would be happy if they developed their own version of Start 8 and bundled it with the OS. Everybody would be happy if they would allow an option to disable these annoying, useless, hidden menus and bars in the desktop environment while you are doing work.

Why couldn't they give us options? Because "computing will never evolve"? Come on, I am talking about the DESKTOP......DESKTOP OS here.

No killer Windows 7 apps? Where are the Windows 7 developers? WHAT?! So.....no "killer" apps existed until Windows 8 came out? What about the Adobe Suite (PAINT.NET, GIMP, ...)? Microsoft Office (OpenOffice, LibreOffice, ...)? Steam (Impulse, and yes Origin)? FileZilla? Visual Studio? FL Studio (Sony ACID)? And there are many many more. So you want to see 10,000 Word Processing apps in order to say Windows is successful? I am sorry, we already have FAR BETTER ones like OpenOffice, LibreOffice, and Microsoft Office. No offense if you are making a Word processing application. Microsoft HAS...I repeat...HAS to change their entire OS in order to have 10,000 word processing apps so people will think they are successful? Just do a google search and you will see how many other word processing applications there are.

Windows had a calendar for years, just click the time and there it is. Most people do not use a calendar that they can put information/schedule in there. I believe one of the Windows Live Essentials programs had it

Explain to me why the desktop OS cannot, under any conditions, provide options? Everybody would be happy if they developed their own version of Start 8 and bundled it with the OS. Everybody would be happy if they would allow an option to disable these annoying, useless, hidden menus and bars in the desktop environment while you are doing work.

Why couldn't they give us options? Because "computing will never evolve"? Come on, I am talking about the DESKTOP......DESKTOP OS here.

No. No. Where are the Windows only apps that take advantage of newer Windows APIs, design features, AERO, and the like? Paint.net, yes, More or less Visual Studio, but these aren't going to keep users. FOSS software on Windows is almost never killer, GIMP, LibreOffice/Open Office are a joke from the last decade.

Where are the killer third party apps? I can list Evernote, Firefox, Chrome, Photoshop, and Paint.Net. Maybe some of those awkward PDF readers too. Wow. Compelling list of developers there...

Perhaps you could try designing something that will be device neutral? The desktop-only stuff just doesn't work.

Why would a person with a desktop PC care about their OS being device neutral? Moreover how would leaving the old start menu as an additional option make Windows 8 any less device neutral? It seems like you've really fallen hook, line, and sinker for the "code optimisation" crap though. The couple of megabytes of disk space saving isn't worth the massive drop in usability.

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This is getting ridiculous. Different platforms have different UX needs, THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM DIFFERENT.

I can't wait for the new 2014 Honda cars to come out. I hear they're replacing the steering wheel with a set of handlebars in order to make the controls "device neutral" across all of their platforms.

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Why would a person with a desktop PC care about their OS being device neutral? Moreover how would leaving the old start menu as an additional option make Windows 8 any less device neutral? It seems like you've really fallen hook, line, and sinker for the "code optimisation" crap though. The couple of megabytes of disk space saving isn't worth the massive drop in usability.

A good many months after this argument first hit Neowin, I still fail to see the "massive drop" in usability due to removal of the start menu. :/ I guess there is some if you shut down all the time using start menu but otherwise - meh.

Explain why not? There is no other company attempting to put the exact same UI on all of their devices... Apple has the largest footprint in the mobile market and they haven't tried this. If it were the only way then why is Apple still so successful? Why aren't we reading news everyday about the extreme shortage of any and everything Windows 8 related? Really, you're just spouting nonsense. Microsoft is hoping this unified experience will be accepted by the marketplace as it will allow them to leverage the Windows monopoly in the mobile space; something that has consistently failed to date.

The reality is, Windows Phone has been an abysmal failure for Microsoft and they are afraid of the same thing happening to their tablets. Microsoft isn't concerned for consumers, as I've said in the past, they are concerned with developers. If Microsoft is going to win against Google and Apple in the mobile space they need developer passion to be on their side and that is what's been missing. Windows Phone failed to sell well because developers largely ignored the platform. Microsoft wants developers writing apps for Windows devices first and, if possible, nothing else. The monopoly they have on the desktop is played this way. The bulk of software is on Windows and nothing else.

Windows 8 is a mess because it is being used as a pawn in a chess game. "Metro" is 100% the same as it is on the tablet for a very solid reason. Microsoft can dangle the millions of Windows desktop users as carrots in front of developers to mask their poor install base in tablets. They hope the Windows install base will help them ramp up very fast against Apple in the app space and potentially become the leader very quickly. This isn't all that different in the way they played the war against Netscape really.

I just wish we can stop getting these statements from people like you, Dot Matrix, that Windows 8 had to be the way it is. It did not and was done this way for a very straightforward reason. To really pull developers back to the Windows fold in a serious way.

That's why we lack options. If we could opt out of the new Start Screen we would be opting out of Metro if we could opt out of Metro Microsoft would lose the carrot it is danging in front of developers.

My opinion? Microsoft overshot this time. They really didn't bring anything to Metro for desktop users while introducing a slew of inconsistencies and problems for them. In reality, they should have pushed hard with a strong link between Windows Phone 8 and Windows 8 RT (the phone and tablet OS should be the same). They should have added bridges to to desktop where it makes sense and slowly pulled the link closer where it makes sense to do so (like syncing photos as you take them, for instance).

The real gauge of Windows 8 success to watch over the next year is how it affects developer interest. If developers are still primarily focusing on iOS and Android in the mobile space in a year and Windows 8/Metro/Whatever they call it is a distant after thought then they have failed miserably.

Here is the crux of this. Apple is fully set to do this. Hit Launchpad on your Mac's and you will see the shape of things to come for them. There is two differences between what Apple is doing and what Microsoft did. Apple did not make it is only choice in the manner, but it is there.

Now to start stepping down the path a little more with what you are seeing.

Apple moves the A6 (its successors most likely) into the Mac line.

OSX Intruduces GateKeeper (Store Only Purchase is an options right now, not default)

OSX 1X comes out and Launchpad is the main interface.

OSX 1X will have Ruby to run both OSX and IOS based apps.

IOS becomes the dominant app on the MAC and there we go, same interface across Phone, Pad, Computer.

This would have to be a multi year project to get it happen. It will be interesting to see if this is actually what happens, but I can see it.

I think that the decision to make one UI for Tablet and Desktop was the reason Sinofsky had to go.

I think the reason was his way or the high way has set Microsoft back to square one. Everything about Windows 8 is 1.0, horrible experience when your used to so many options and expectations of what software can do. Windows Phone needed a clean slate, Windows did not and it is suffering because of it. Completely wrong approach and I think it has set Microsoft back at least 2-3 years and with Apple, Google and others doing well, that is the last thing you want to happen. All those years of software innovation and what consumers expect to get out of basic software and you do this to them. They have basically thrown a lot of work and features in the trash just because...and that is a waste. Might make things sparkle to begin with but when you get down to it, lacking considerably and for what, a tablet experience that isn't very good.

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Here is the crux of this. Apple is fully set to do this. Hit Launchpad on your Mac's and you will see the shape of things to come for them. There is two differences between what Apple is doing and what Microsoft did. Apple did not make it is only choice in the manner, but it is there.

Now to start stepping down the path a little more with what you are seeing.

Apple moves the A6 (its successors most likely) into the Mac line.

OSX Intruduces GateKeeper (Store Only Purchase is an options right now, not default)

OSX 1X comes out and Launchpad is the main interface.

OSX 1X will have Ruby to run both OSX and IOS based apps.

IOS becomes the dominant app on the MAC and there we go, same interface across Phone, Pad, Computer.

This would have to be a multi year project to get it happen. It will be interesting to see if this is actually what happens, but I can see it.

I can see this happening over time as well. Ideally, the change will be gradual so that the shift can be adapted to slowly by users and the features can be adjusted to offer tangible benefits to desktop users.

I have explained. Multiple times. Also, where is Windows Phone a failure? I don't see that. WP7 is still developed for. WP8 just launched, and I just had a handful of friends dump their old Android and iPhone sets for new WP8 devices. I get my WP8 upgrade in January. The market is nicely setting up Microsoft to support the changes in Windows 8, and carry them over to Windows 9.

The market is pushing for change. The desktop just isn't what it used to be in the consumer space anymore. If Microsoft really wants to expand their horizons, things have to change. If the old Windows is on a sustainable path, then where are the developers? Where are the killer Windows 7 apps? Where are the signs that Microsoft was wrong to change? The only noise your getting is from a few power users who are set in their ways.

I can't tell you how nice it is to finally have some of these apps on my desktop. Windows has been missing a Calendar forever. Now we have one in 8. The Skype app is so much more better in Windows 8, than it is on the desktop. The desktop app is archaic, slow, and buggy. The Chromeless UI of Evernote, and OneNote finally allow me to work without being interrupted or distracted by nonsense.

I know you've internalized everything that Microsoft's PR engine has been releasing lately as gospel so this makes discussion harder...

For starters, Windows Phone success isn't measurable in its sales, it is measured in its pull for developers. The sales of Windows Phone have been better than expected and Windows Phone 8 is selling better than Windows Phone 7 from what i can tell from anecdotal evidence. But the story is the same... Developers don't care. Now some of this is Microsoft's own fault, like not releasing an SDK for Windows Phone 8 in the summer as they promised, but the end result is the same. Developers don't think about Windows first when it comes to mobile and this is what makes Windows Phone a failure.

There are killer apps and developers on the desktop as I'm sure you're aware. I'm not going to waste time debating that fact as if the desktop is as pointless as you are eluding to then Microsoft really goofed up bringing it into the mobile war as a pawn. The fact they are attempting to use it as leverage shows you're far from reality in this regard.

Will mobile and the desktop converge heavily? Absolutely. The problem here is Microsoft has forgotten to adapt their product to the device. Take modern web development for instance... We are in the "responsive web design" period where we are attempting to create websites that naturally adapt to the phone, tablet, and PC using one code base. Microsoft should be following a similar practice with Windows 8. Adapting fully to the desktop space and tablet space naturally and not shoehorning the tablet into the desktop.

I explained why this is done this way though and I think that many users, including myself, think they have overshot. But as I said in my last post, the true test will come next year in seeing if developers are targeting Metro in a serious fashion. If Microsoft can't win developers then everything else doesn't matter. The only hope they can have from a risk perspective is that they don't push the Windows developers off to something else*.

* By something else I mean forcing them to take see the tablet, and mobile, as the most important thing and Microsoft as not important in this arena. If this happens then Microsoft will start losing the Windows development camp, but that is the ultra worst case scenario for them.

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Why are you thinking that the Start Screen is touch only? Mouse operated screens don't have to be filled with tiny UI controls, barely visible anymore on today's high resolution screens.

What it's really about is he misses "vanilla".

Why did XP hang around as long as it did, especially in corporate/enterprise planet?

Not because it was exciting, but because it was *predictable*.

If you switched to the "Classic Start Menu", it differed little from either Windows 2000 or even NT 4.

Windows 7 is threatening to become another XP (in the same locaitons) for the same reasons - it's as vanilla an OS as is out there from Microsoft.

No needing to retrain folks. You only have to upgrade applications incrementally. Hardware upgrade requirements are minimal or even none. Cost (software) is also minimal.

Sticking with Windows 7 is the vanilla choice.

I know you've internalized everything that Microsoft's PR engine has been releasing lately as gospel so this makes discussion harder...

roflmao, quote of the year right there.

On topic, I don't know if the Metro/Explorer hybrid UI is that bad. The real problem is the things that went backwards, particularly:

- Search: tablet centric and horrific waste of time

- So much Metro stuff got released and just don't work. The Xbox Music stuff and app just doesn't work, it's laughable how bad it is.

- the Windows Phone 8 Sync App works, but doesn't do anything; I can drag and drop files onto the phone from File Explorer.

(The store links don't work, the whole metro app hyperlink issue is affecting many and MS is silent. Once you get it, links in Mail app and any other metro app no longer launch a browser. There are some registry hacks to fix, but it's hit and miss).

- The whole devices and sharing on Charms Bar that is basically for tablets works but is virtually useless on the desktop.

- Just way too many odd bugs. It seems as though MS chose to meet some deadlines as opposed to delivering a polished cutting edge product(s) and ecosystem. I would have rather waited till December for RTM if that meant everything would work and be finished.

- The fact that there is no unified way to sync media from Desktop to Surface and Windows Phone 8 is just mind boggling. No flagship Windows 8 apps is also mind boggling. Office 2013 is great but a win32 app.

The best part of Windows 8, the Desktop Environment and how well win32 apps run. i.e. Windows 7 R2 would have sufficed for that.

I want Windows 8 and the ecosystem to succeed. I think it has great potential, but it shouldn't have been released in alpha stage. And pulling out core features and making the apps in the store does not excuse releasing them in less than fully functioning condition.

Just to put this in perspective, to actually get music and video on my Lumia 920 without pulling my hair out, I had to use Windows Media Player classic in Windows 8 Desktop environment. Nothing else "just worked". I have Windows 8, Surface RT, and Lumia 920. I'm refusing to do registry hacks to fix things and odd workarounds, etc. I'm just being a consumer who wants to use all this cool new stuff, and right now, it's a disaster, IMO. Without Media Player, I still can't manage my music library on my Surface. I'll go back to iPad before I do that much ridiculous work to create a playlist.

Microsoft is like the Dallas Cowboys right now. They have plenty of money and resources, great campus (the dome), well paid staff, on paper, they should be tearing through the league especially given their weak schedule. But they just always find a way to lose.

I just don't see Microsoft making major inroads in the phone or tablet market like this. They have the hardware and desktop dominance to leverage, but they just don't seem to have the internal leadership to pull it off. They see numbers and not consumers (real people).

If this is a result of internal management, or lack thereof, Ballmer has to take the blame. Allowing the internal culture to deteriorate to the point of not being able to produce products that work well together and this point in the game ... damn shame.

How can a company the size of Microsoft release so much stuff not working right in 2012? I just can't even grasp how jacked up the internal corporate culture and hierarchy has to be for this to happen.

Sticking with Windows 7 is the vanilla choice.

Still the most popular flavor in America. Plain old reliable predictable vanilla.

the head of the ex-ceo still rolling (the sales are not good and wont be) I dont see the point of m$ to support this (doomed) OS.

Nothing happened to the CEO, and the only sales figure released showed that sales are faster than they were with Windows 7.

So the only actual released numbers are good. Everything else right now is just speculation.

the head of the ex-ceo still rolling (the sales are not good and wont be) I dont see the point of m$ to support this (doomed) OS.

Just throw it out, and do what, exactly? Do you think before you post?

What they should have done is make Windows 7 better and call it Windows 8, without changing its already usable and easy UI.

No, what they should have done is giving the user a choice when installing windows 8, by simply asking whether you want the normal desktop or the "modern" UI installed.

The way it is now is a weird hybrid not really suiting anyone.

I have tried - 4 times in all - running win 8 as my main OS. But every time I go back to the more uniform UI of windows 7.

If I had a tablet, I would most likely be running Win 8, but not on my high powered gaming machine.

Win 8 has some nice new features and I would have switched in a second if they gave me the option to install a desktop UI similar to win 7.

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Win 8 has some nice new features and I would have switched in a second if they gave me the option to install a desktop UI similar to win 7.

You and millions of other people. I have Windows 8 installed and I would love to have that option.

Win 8 has some nice new features and I would have switched in a second if they gave me the option to install a desktop UI similar to win 7.

Funny, because the Win7 desktop is still there...

Running it at home and at work. I only use the desktop. The start screen is an inconvenience. Having full-screen apps on a desktop is a huge, pointless step back.

It doesn't seem as stable as 7 (hopefully an SP will fix this). I'll stick with it, anyway.

The Adventure mode in minesweeper is fun....

If I were Microsoft, I would keep the price as it is now -- if they are having trouble flogging it for $40, it is not going to sell once they bump it up to $100 or so.

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I still don't understand why so many people have an issue with the new start screen. I just don't get it.

It's a little different but you launch apps still the same way.

I definitely don't get it's a deal breaker to not upgrade, when you have all those start menu options

roflmao, quote of the year right there.

On topic, I don't know if the Metro/Explorer hybrid UI is that bad. The real problem is the things that went backwards, particularly:

- Search: tablet centric and horrific waste of time

- So much Metro stuff got released and just don't work. The Xbox Music stuff and app just doesn't work, it's laughable how bad it is.

- the Windows Phone 8 Sync App works, but doesn't do anything; I can drag and drop files onto the phone from File Explorer.

(The store links don't work, the whole metro app hyperlink issue is affecting many and MS is silent. Once you get it, links in Mail app and any other metro app no longer launch a browser. There are some registry hacks to fix, but it's hit and miss).

- The whole devices and sharing on Charms Bar that is basically for tablets works but is virtually useless on the desktop.

- Just way too many odd bugs. It seems as though MS chose to meet some deadlines as opposed to delivering a polished cutting edge product(s) and ecosystem. I would have rather waited till December for RTM if that meant everything would work and be finished.

- The fact that there is no unified way to sync media from Desktop to Surface and Windows Phone 8 is just mind boggling. No flagship Windows 8 apps is also mind boggling. Office 2013 is great but a win32 app.

The best part of Windows 8, the Desktop Environment and how well win32 apps run. i.e. Windows 7 R2 would have sufficed for that.

I want Windows 8 and the ecosystem to succeed. I think it has great potential, but it shouldn't have been released in alpha stage. And pulling out core features and making the apps in the store does not excuse releasing them in less than fully functioning condition.

Just to put this in perspective, to actually get music and video on my Lumia 920 without pulling my hair out, I had to use Windows Media Player classic in Windows 8 Desktop environment. Nothing else "just worked". I have Windows 8, Surface RT, and Lumia 920. I'm refusing to do registry hacks to fix things and odd workarounds, etc. I'm just being a consumer who wants to use all this cool new stuff, and right now, it's a disaster, IMO. Without Media Player, I still can't manage my music library on my Surface. I'll go back to iPad before I do that much ridiculous work to create a playlist.

Microsoft is like the Dallas Cowboys right now. They have plenty of money and resources, great campus (the dome), well paid staff, on paper, they should be tearing through the league especially given their weak schedule. But they just always find a way to lose.

I just don't see Microsoft making major inroads in the phone or tablet market like this. They have the hardware and desktop dominance to leverage, but they just don't seem to have the internal leadership to pull it off. They see numbers and not consumers (real people).

If this is a result of internal management, or lack thereof, Ballmer has to take the blame. Allowing the internal culture to deteriorate to the point of not being able to produce products that work well together and this point in the game ... damn shame.

How can a company the size of Microsoft release so much stuff not working right in 2012? I just can't even grasp how jacked up the internal corporate culture and hierarchy has to be for this to happen.

Still the most popular flavor in America. Plain old reliable predictable vanilla.

Yet while sticking with vanilla is safe, if MICROSOFT sticks with *vanilla*, it gets whacked for it.

That is the real issue with Microsoft - while it can't play it safe, its customers and users can.

Even Baskin-Robbins didn't create the Core Thirty-One for their health.

And the very reason *why* Microsoft didn't create an 8 with just the Start menu is right under your nose - Windows 7 has not gone anywhere. It's still around, and is going to be supported for at least another eight years.

All those detractors and critics of Windows 8 know this - they aren't THAT dense.

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Processor 8-core Qualcomm Snapdragon 690 (QTI SM6350) 2 performance cores at 2.07 GHz 4 efficiency cores at 1.71 GHz Memory 6 GB Storage 128GB, non-expandable ~104GB available out-of-the-box Operating system Android 15 with a custom launcher Connectivity Wi-Fi and Bluetooth Battery 3,950 mAh battery Buttons and port USB Type-C port Power button, Volume button, Smart Dial Breathing Lights Audio Mono Speaker and Dual microphones In the box The Krono, a Type-A to Type-C cable, user manual Price $279 on Amazon First impressions Right off the bat, no, this is not a phone replacement. Do not approach this device thinking it can serve you as a dumb phone to cure your TikTok addiction. In addition to the fact that the Krono has no cellular connectivity, I strongly believe that no amount of extra devices can fix your phone addiction until you put some serious effort into it. The Krono is a phone-sized e-reader, a companion for your phone dedicated to reading without distractions. The DuRoBo Krono is made of plastic with a very fine texture. It is hardly premium, but I also cannot say it feels cheap. The device is also a bit thick, quite dense, and well-built without rattling or cracking. You get to choose between two colors: white and black. The front has quite thick bezels, which is hardly surprising for an e-ink device. These things use front light, with LEDs usually placed on the screen perimeter. While I do not mind thicker bezels, the notably larger chin cheapens the look a little. What I mind is a notable seam between the display and the main case, which, after just two days of use, collected plenty of dust and specks. The back of the Krono is what makes the device stand out. There is a cylinder (DuRoBo calls it the Axis) embedded in the back of the reader, housing three elements: a power button on the right edge, a Smart Dial on the left edge, and "Breathing Lights" on the back. An etched DuRoBo logo sits below the cylinder, and it is the only piece of branding you can find on the device. Overall, the design and materials are very unassuming, but the cylinder with additional control elements certainly elevates the look and makes it more interesting. Other physical elements include two microphones (one on the top edge and one on the bottom edge), a USB Type-C port, a volume rocker, and a single mono speaker. There is no fingerprint reader, so if you want to protect your device, a PIN is your only option. The official TPU case is not the most premium-looking Display The Krono has a 6.1-inch E-Ink Carta 1200 touchscreen display with a resolution of 1,648 x 824 pixels (300 ppi). The display is front-lit, and you can adjust the brightness and temperature from cool to warm. Unfortunately, the Krono lacks automatic brightness and temperature adjustments, and you cannot set a custom schedule for the frontlight. However, you can set it to always enable frontlight so that you can see what is happening on the screen when turning it on in a dark environment. On the bright side (get it?), the front light can get extremely dim so that the screen is barely readable in a pitch-dark room. The front light is also uniform across the screen, with no noticeable temperature gradients. I am very susceptible to uneven front light, and it is very easy for me to notice it, but the Krono is doing a very good job in this area. I also like that the edge shadow is not very prominent and barely visible in the black variant. E-Ink Carta 1200 is not the newest generation (there are Carta 1250 and 1300), but it is still a good display. It supports three modes: Clarity, Speed, and Quality. In Clarity mode, text is very sharp and easy to read, but you trade that for more ghosting, a slower refresh rate, and more artifacts when the display changes images. Speed mode, as the name suggests, boosts refresh rate and reduces ghosting, but fine print and text become more jagged. Finally, Quality mode is only available in Android apps. It has the lowest refresh rate, but in return, you get much better visuals, improved gradients, and more. Like brightness and temperature, you can toggle modes from the control center. It is available when swiping from the top-right corner of the screen (the top-left is for notifications). I also like that the Krono can work as a desk clock when not in use. It has a bunch of screensavers, including horizontal clocks with time, date, and current battery level. The screen refreshes once per minute, and battery drain is extremely low (not even 1% in 24 hours). It is a great use of the technology, and another thing I wish more e-ink devices featured. Smart Dial The Smart Dial is Krono's main party trick. It sits on the left side of the device and serves multiple purposes. You can twist or press it to perform various actions, depending on the current use case scenario. When reading books, twisting the dial flips through pages, and pressing it refreshes the screen. On the home screen, the dial adjusts the brightness, and holding the dial pressed launches voice note recording. Finally, a quick double press launches the DuRoBo AI chatbot. While the dial scroll is not notched, it is very smooth and has haptic feedback that confirms your actions, which feels very nice. As a long-term Apple Watch user, I love the idea behind the dial. It feels very natural and oddly satisfying to use, especially with that subtle haptic feedback. I never liked flipping pages with touch input, and I strongly believe each e-reader should come with some sort of physical controls for turning pages. The Krono has both volume buttons (which also work as page turners) and the dial, so you are free to use whichever you prefer. With that said, the dial is not perfect. For one, it sticks out of the case way too far for my liking, raising concerns about durability and longevity when carrying the Krono around in a pocket (it is a pocket-sized device after all). Also, it has too much wobble, which cheapens the experience and makes it feel a bit flimsy and unsecured. While there are two plastic guards on the Krono's case, they are way too small for any kind of protection. I also think DuRoBo should let users customize dial actions (the only available customization is scroll direction), particularly for long and double presses. Not everyone needs voice notes, and DuRoBo AI does not work without an active internet connection, leaving the long press essentially useless when offline. I do not mind these features, and I genuinely think they are useful, but I would rather have the ability to toggle between screen modes, turn the frontlight on/off, or launch my favorite app. I also agree with people on Reddit asking developers to let users adjust the dial sensitivity. I hope this is something DuRoBo can implement with a software update to make the experience more personalized (it is a Smart Dial, after all) and incentivize users to fiddle with the Dial more often. The Dial is a fantastic idea, so please, guys, improve it a little. As for ergonomics, they are mostly fine, but the dial's position may feel a little awkward and way too high. When I use a phone or a phone-sized gadget, I tend to rest one of its corners on my palm for a more secure grip. With the Krono, such a grip is impossible because you cannot reach the dial even with big hands. You have to lower the reader a bit and hold it like a bottle without any extra support for the bottom edge. Such a grip is not necessarily uncomfortable (the Krono is also light enough for it), but it requires a bit of muscle retraining. Sometimes, I do not bother with the dial and hold the Krono like my phone, flipping through pages with volume buttons, as they are perfectly positioned for my right-hand thumb. Interestingly, when testing the Krono, I would often find myself thinking that a roller embedded in the long plastic cylinder on the back of the device would have been a much more comfortable solution. There is a free idea for you, guys. Software The Krono runs Android 15 with a very minimal launcher on top. The home screen presents you with a list of apps, a scrollable list of widgets, and your user profile. Widgets can display time, calendar, or recent books for quick access. You can also add or remove apps from the home screen to keep the most useful stuff around without tapping "Apps." I like this minimalistic approach; it looks clean, easy to understand, and light. I understand that some may find the list of all apps way too clean, but fortunately, DuRoBo lets you switch to traditional icons. The reader also has a bunch of preinstalled apps: Read: The default app for reading. Browser: A Chromium-based browser. Files: A simple file manager. Music: A simple music player. Spark: A voice recorder with transcription support and AI summarization DuRoBo AI: A built-in AI chatbot. Transfer: An app for file transfer over Wi-Fi. If that is not enough, there is the Google Play Store, where you can download all the extra apps you need, alternative readers, podcast apps, chatbots, and more. DuRoBo is not trying to give you an all-in-one device. The standard software experience is quite minimal, which makes it easy to approach and learn. The standard reader supports EPUB, EPUB3, AZW3, MOBI, PDF, TXT, DOC, and DOCX, which is more than enough to let you read most books without third-party software. As for customizing the reading experience, you can select one of five built-in fonts, adjust size and thickness, adjust margins and spacing (only three variants for each), change text alignment and direction, toggle the reading status bar, and switch to dark mode. There is also text-to-speech, which utilizes Android's default TTS tech. While I like the simplistic approach, I cannot help but feel DuRoBo could have made the built-in reader a bit more customizable. However, I am not going to bog down on this, as you can always install any other reader you prefer using the Play Store or by sideloading an APK. Getting books to the Krono is very simple. Given that the device is an Android smartphone without cellular connectivity, you can transfer files via a USB Type-C cable, download them using the built-in browser, share them over Bluetooth, or use cloud storage. My favorite was the built-in Transfer app. It is simple, reliable, and very well-designed. I was surprised by how well-designed the web portal is. It is fast, pretty, and properly categorized. Well done! Once you have your books loaded, you can highlight or underline text, add annotations, bookmark pages, check the table of contents, and ask AI about the selected text. Unfortunately, the Krono has no built-in vocabulary, but again, that is something a third-party reader could fix. Overall, the built-in reader is light and snappy, with just the minimum amount of features for a regular user to enjoy reading books. The Krono has no built-in reading tracking, so stat nerds will have to look for third-party reading apps. However, you can set a daily reading goal, and the reader will notify you when you reach it (for example, one hour). You can also set a reminder to read at a certain time, and when the time comes, the Krono will light up its back LEDs and unlock itself to nudge you. Other than that, the rear LEDs do nothing, not even showing charging progress, which is an unfortunate misopportunity if you ask me. Quirks aside, Krono's Android runs quite snappily and bug-free. Early reviews of the Krono criticized its Android 13-based software quite a lot, but now, the reader runs Android 15, and its software has fixed plenty of initial complaints. I never experienced any issues with built-in apps. AI attempts The DuRoBo Krono comes with a built-in AI chatbot. There is no information on what model powers this thing, but the system says it was "trained by Google." You can launch the bot from the app list or by double-pressing the dial. It works just like any other chatbot, and you can ask it anything by typing or using voice input. The AI saves your chats, and you can rename, export, or delete them. DuRoBo AI requires an active internet connection, and it does not work offline. Its reach and capabilities are also limited. You can only chat in the app and use it in the reader app as a makeshift vocabulary. However, the implementation is kinda awkward. You can only send a selected portion of text to AI without giving it any requests or instructions. I highlighted the word "dumb," and it apologized to me for not being useful. You also cannot ask follow-up questions or send the generated response to a separate chat. The chatbot is also slow, even with fast Wi-Fi, making the overall experience quite frustrating, which makes me again wish for the ability to remap the double press to something else. Spark, the standard voice recording app, also uses AI for note summarization and transcribing. Neither feature works offline, unfortunately. Spark records notes up to 30 minutes using Krono's dual microphones, and you can rename or export notes. Transcription quality is decent, and the speed is alright, but you can find much better solutions in the Google Play Store. What I like about Spark is that transcribed notes are not locked, and you can always type more to elaborate on your ideas, which is handy. Overall, I like that the Krono is not shoving AI down my throat, but to be honest, there is really not that much to shove. AI features here feel raw and need improvements to be more useful. Battery Life Like most E-Ink readers, the Krono has fantastic battery life. Even with a clock as a screensaver, its standby power consumption is incredibly low. And when in use, you can get weeks of reading on a single charge. Without the front light, my unit never sipped more than one or two percent of battery during a one-hour reading session. It was nice to see plenty of battery-related settings. You can limit charging at 80% to protect battery health long-term, check the number of charging cycles, manufacturing/first-time use date, battery health, and the maximum capacity. Additionally, the Krono lets you select what hardware remains enabled when sleeping. This lets you keep Wi-Fi and Bluetooth on (say, if you want to receive notifications, for some reason) and keep audio playing when locked. Turning these features off effectively eliminates any standby battery drain. I left my Krono sitting for 24 hours with a clock screensaver on, and it did not drop a single percent. The pretty big 3,950 mAh battery justifies the device's thickness and ensures you do not have to charge it for long periods. Speaking of charging, it is capped at only 10W, which is a bit disappointing, as getting such a big battery to 100% takes a notably long time in the era of super-fast charging smartphones. DuRoBo Moodi The Moodi is a standalone, optional accessory for your Krono. It is a wireless remote with two customizable buttons that you can use to flip pages, control media, or scroll webpages. The accessory connects via Bluetooth. Despite having a built-in rechargeable battery, it is extremely light. While the Moodi's shape and form factor is not what I would call particularly ergonomic, it is not uncomfortable to hold and use. The Moodi comes with six removable magnetic buttons with various smiley faces. Buttons sit securely, and they have nice-feeling, albeit a little loud, clicks. It is a cute touch that adds a little more fun and character to the device. There is also an accented power button and a single status LED. The latter displays charging status and connection mode. The Moodi supports three modes: Reading: Buttons work as volume buttons, allowing you to flip pages in the built-in reader or other apps that support page turning with volume buttons. Media: Buttons work as skip forward/backward, which is useful when listening to audiobooks, podcasts, or music. Scroll: The third mode lets you scroll pages in the web browser or any other application The Krono properly detects the Moodi and presents you with an on-screen guide when you connect it for the first time (it also displays the battery level). However, you can only change modes by holding both buttons for a few seconds. It is also worth noting that the Moodi works with other devices. I connected it to my iPhone and it let me adjust volume or control media playback. Sadly, the scroll did not work, so you cannot use it to waste time scrolling TikToks. Overall, the Moodi is a cute little accessory, which I can recommend for those who read a lot. It is very useful for remote page flipping when you do not want to burden your hands by holding the Krono all the time. I only wish DuRoBo included a lanyard for the built-in loop. As for the battery life, after using the Moodi for a few days, I only managed to drop several percent of its 90 mAh battery. Despite the small size, it is rated for weeks of use, which is pretty impressive. At $35.99, I cannot say the Moodi is a must-have accessory, but I see the appeal. I prefer using the Krono with its Smart Dial, as I rarely read for more than 40-60 minutes in one sitting. However, if you have a stand and like reading for long periods, the Moodi is the right thing to have. It is a bit more expensive than regular page flippers on Amazon, but it is on par with similar products from Kobo or BOOX. Plus, it has a little more fun to it with removable buttons and better integration into the Krono. Conclusion At the end of the day, DuRoBo Krono is a nice pocket-sized e-reader. Its software focuses on the main things without trying to be everything at once. The smart dial idea is unique and great, and I wish more manufacturers had something similar in their devices. The display is also good, with an even frontlight and "always-on" support. I did not notice any deal-breaking issues with the Krono. However, you can feel that the idea needs some improvements, such as a slightly stiffer dial in a more ergonomic location, perhaps a little more premium materials, and better software customization. I hope the company won't give up on the idea and improve the dial and ergonomics in the second generation. Buy DuRoBo Krono Black - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Krono White - $279.99 on Amazon Buy DuRoBo Moodi - $35.99 on Amazon As an Amazon Associate, we earn from qualifying purchases.
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