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[neufuse]

hooko22, on 27 November 2012 - 21:31, said:

Oh jolly. What a great world it would be when everything becomes as closed and unyeilding as apple. We might have to thank them for this devolopment if this is true.

oh heck go back to the days where it was "not allowed" to even open your case up.... they use to put security seals and all kind of fun stuff in them to stop you... ahh the IBM lease days...

[hooko22]

neufuse, on 27 November 2012 - 21:34, said:

oh heck go back to the days where it was "not allowed" to even open your case up.... they use to put security seals and all kind of fun stuff in them to stop you... ahh the IBM lease days...

Yea I do remember that but Apple does it with everything! The hardware, the software heck even the shapes of their devices!

[rippleman]

hooko22, on 27 November 2012 - 21:41, said:

Yea I do remember that but Apple does it with everything! The hardware, the software heck even the shapes of their devices!

if you owned a manufacturing company, you would prefer your stuff not to be opened up either. Notice I say "prefer". When people open it up, it compounds the mess-it-up likelihood..

[threetonesun]

hooko22, on 27 November 2012 - 21:41, said:

Yea I do remember that but Apple does it with everything! The hardware, the software heck even the shapes of their devices!

I've taken apart most of my Macs at one point or another. They're not that locked down, although it's a bit ludicrous to upgrade anything but the memory on an iMac.

[+imachip]

hooko22, on 27 November 2012 - 21:31, said:

Oh jolly. What a great world it would be when everything becomes as closed and unyeilding as apple. We might have to thank them for this devolopment if this is true.

Actually I'm pretty sure Intel has looked at it's sales figures and confirmed the truth that in the vast majority of cases, even enthusiasts rarely change their CPU's without changing the motherboards. So it really does make sense to combine them rather than sell them separately.

The results could be quite interesting, and any change to the PC H/W arena is exciting over same old/same old.

[hooko22]

imachip, on 27 November 2012 - 21:44, said:

Actually I'm pretty sure Intel has looked at it's sales figures and confirmed the truth that in the vast majority of cases, even enthusiasts rarely change their CPU's without changing the motherboards. So it really does make sense to combine them rather than sell them separately.

The results could be quite interesting, and any change to the PC H/W arena is exciting over same old/same old. It's just process...

threetonesun, on 27 November 2012 - 21:44, said:

I've taken apart most of my Macs at one point or another. They're not that locked down, although it's a bit ludicrous to upgrade anything but the memory on an iMac.

rippleman, on 27 November 2012 - 21:43, said:

if you owned a manufacturing company, you would prefer your stuff not to be opened up either. Notice I say "prefer". When people open it up, it compounds the mess-it-up likelihood..

I think you guys aren't getting the full meaning of what I am trying to say, Apple does not just not want you not to open up the hardware. They don't want you to do anything at all, the operating system is closed and unyeilding, their software and well just about everything they do is closed. Heck they don't even want you to think. Just return the product becuase your unable to do anything with it and they swindle you out of even more money.

[threetonesun]

hooko22, on 27 November 2012 - 21:51, said:

I think you guys aren't getting the full meaning of what I am trying to say, Apple does not just not want you not to open up the hardware. They don't want you to do anything at all, the operating system is closed and unyeilding, their software and well just about everything they do is closed. Heck they don't even want you to think. Just return the product becuase your unable to do anything with it and they swindle you out of even more money.

I take it you've never used a Mac before.

[Luis Mazza]

If you look back, upgrading a processor is not that beneficial anymore, because to achieve real performance gains, you actually have to change everything: from motherboard, to RAM and storage.

Also, I think the cost will go down significantly.

This is a great move from Intel, regarding the consumer and performance market. But of course enthusiast won't be happy: they're actually never happy with anything they got anyway.

[hooko22]

threetonesun, on 27 November 2012 - 22:03, said:

I take it you've never used a Mac before.

Actually Im a graphic designer I had a mac for many years! ;P lol

[n_K]

Luis Mazza, on 27 November 2012 - 22:05, said:

If you look back, upgrading a processor is not that beneficial anymore, because to achieve real performance gains, you actually have to change everything: from motherboard, to RAM and storage.

Also, I think the cost will go down significantly.

What?
http://www.techspot....770k/page4.html
Techspot and every review site says you are wrong.

Cost will go down significantly, why? Why does intel want to save you money? What benefit does that give intel? Please do tell me.

[Luis Mazza]

n_K, on 27 November 2012 - 22:14, said:

What?
http://www.techspot....770k/page4.html
Techspot and every review site says you are wrong.

Cost will go down significantly, why? Why does intel want to save you money? What benefit does that give intel? Please do tell me.

Actually it is being hard to understand what exactly you don't understand. Anyway... The cost will go down because Intel will be able to sell the motherboard and the processor, gaining a lot of scale. Also... if manufacturing prices are lowered, Intel will be able to lower prices for consumers, which are definitely looking for other options, like tablets. And tablets can't change processors, can they?

[n_K]

Intel is a company, companies like to make money, what kind of business would undercut themselves to save you money and make them lose money?
If manufacturing prices are lowered, they'll keep prices the same and pocket the extra cash!

[Luis Mazza]

n_K, on 27 November 2012 - 22:27, said:

Intel is a company, companies like to make money, what kind of business would undercut themselves to save you money and make them lose money?
If manufacturing prices are lowered, they'll keep prices the same and pocket the extra cash!

Not if there's a threat the size of (of an) ARM running for them.

[n_K]

ARM is threatening their tablet/mobile side, ARM does not pose a threat to intel's desktop/server side.
ARM is pretty efficient but for that their trade-off is having very bad performance. Intel has high performance at the trade-off of having low energy efficiency.

[Growled]

All I can say is go AMD.