Windows 8: A

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Grand Master

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The mouse is not emulating touch. Nor was it ever designed to, and Windows 8 IS NOT replacing natural mouse movements with touch emulations.

The same can be said with webpages on a tablet, but we've known for a while now that the scroll wheel on the mouse makes our lives easier. The scroll wheel is the most efficient way to scroll. Duh.

So, why are you using the scrollbar? I've known since the betas that Start can be scrolled using the wheel...

wow talk about completely missing the point... no one said it was replacing the mouse, I am saying I want it to ACT CONSISTANT!

I've known since the first scroll mouse came out you can scroll, point being?! Like I said... every touch UI I've ever worked with, if you can tap and drag, you can also click and drag... which works EVERYWHERE in windows except on the start screen

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wow talk about completely missing the point... no one said it was replacing the mouse, I am saying I want it to ACT CONSISTANT!

I've known since the first scroll mouse came out you can scroll, point being?! Like I said... every touch UI I've ever worked with, if you can tap and drag, you can also click and drag... which works EVERYWHERE in windows except on the start screen

You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS... Windows 8 is not meant to replace the mouse with touch emulators. Touch and drag is the last thing you want users doing.

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You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS... Windows 8 is not meant to replace the mouse with touch emulators. Touch and drag is the last thing you want users doing.

I can click and drag metro apps at the top of the screen...

I can click and drag metro apps in the metro task switcher...

I can click and drag the title screen to get to the login screen.....

need I continue?

these where all designed as touch UI interfaces and are emulated with the mouse just fine...

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Dot Matrix

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I can click and drag metro apps at the top of the screen...

I can click and drag metro apps in the metro task switcher...

I can click and drag the title screen to get to the login screen.....

need I continue?

these where all designed as touch UI interfaces and are emulated with the mouse just fine...

Now you're talking about moving apps, like you currently move windows on the desktop, not scrolling using click and drag. So what is it?

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Now you're talking about moving apps, like you currently move windows on the desktop, not scrolling using click and drag. So what is it?

you are the one that said you can "You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS" nothing about scrolling... I'm the one that said it should be consistent, anything that is touch and do an action should be able to also be done with a mouse click

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you are the one that said you can "You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS" nothing about scrolling... I'm the one that said it should be consistent, anything that is touch and do an action should be able to also be done with a mouse click

You were talking about scrolling, not moving windows around. Clicking to scroll is the least efficient method to move the screen. You can't do that to scroll a webpage, so naturally you can't do that to scroll an app.

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You were talking about scrolling, not moving windows around. Clicking to scroll is the least efficient method to move the screen. You can't do that to scroll a webpage, so naturally you can't do that to scroll an app.

lets just agree to disagree on what is and isn't most efficient

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lets just agree to disagree on what is and isn't most efficient

Was the behavior you're describing click+drag to move the metro screen like Mission Control on a Mac? If so I find that far more intuitive than a scrollbar... I agree. Or another example of bad design is using the scroll wheel up and down on the mouse that moves metro left and right... (makes sense right?!)

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You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. Resistance to change and all. When effieciency is achieved in a fluid use of both touch and mouse. Both have their positive sides. Windows 8 is not altogther that different than Windows 7. Windows 8 is faster, more fluid in use, more functional in different ways, more intuitive than Windows 7. That's not to say Windows 7 isn't good. I was resistant to Windows 8 and the Start Screen. I've learned to use it. Still don't like the extra clicks but it's worth it.

The idiot in the article needs to not post on the internet period. And go back to windows 95SE.

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Clicking to scroll is the least efficient method to move the screen. You can't do that to scroll a webpage, so naturally you can't do that to scroll an app.

Thats debatable since that very feature has been (and remains) in browsers and other apps (like Acrobat Reader) for quite awhile (middle click). The more pressing issue is why scrolling is still so finicky that people prefer to use the dragable scroll bar.

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You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. Resistance to change and all. When effieciency is achieved in a fluid use of both touch and mouse. Both have their positive sides. Windows 8 is not altogther that different than Windows 7. Windows 8 is faster, more fluid in use, more functional in different ways, more intuitive than Windows 7. That's not to say Windows 7 isn't good. I was resistant to Windows 8 and the Start Screen. I've learned to use it. Still don't like the extra clicks but it's worth it.

The idiot in the article needs to not post on the internet period. And go back to windows 95SE.

Is that because his opinion is different then yours?

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Why is it worth extra clicks? It's not for me, so I'm just wondering.

Because if take the time to setup a dual boot you'll see how much more functional 8 is over 7.

That's what I did to compare on the hardware. Since setting up 8 I've only used 7 a few times. I meant overall the inconvenience of a few clicks is worth getting a better OS. 8 is not that much different than 7. Just better. I honesty did not expect it to be.

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Thats debatable since that very feature has been (and remains) in browsers and other apps (like Acrobat Reader) for quite awhile (middle click). The more pressing issue is why scrolling is still so finicky that people prefer to use the dragable scroll bar.

It's pretty simple, the scrollbar basically compresses the page into one view allowing you to quickly jump to any point on it (and some apps like Chrome or certain Visual Studio addins even add extra useful stuff like indicating points of interest directly on the scrollbar, which the scrollbar click-and-drag mechanism makes it easy to get to), while with click-and-drag or even scrollwheel you have to move one screen at the time. Even with touch, although inertial scrolling helps with this, I often find myself wanting a scrollbar so I can jump somewhere more quickly.

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You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. ...

What are you? A dog? (Looking at your profile pic) :D

I don't want to be rude, I just found it very funny you started your post with: You humans.

Seems like you didn't feel you belong to the same group

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As well as how to drag and move live tiles easily [drag down slightly and hold for a sec, then drag is smooth].

Ha, you actually still don't have this right. You're not supposed to "hold for a sec", you can just pull it out directly with no waiting necessary.

BTW there's an interesting video here -> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechDays/Techdays-2012-the-Netherlands/2373 where the designer of the Windows 8 touch UI talks specifically about how they tried to design select and rearrange so that they would be "self-teaching", including to avoid giving people the "superstitious beliefs" that they needed to press and hold. (you can skip to 33:00 for this, including footage of usability tests, though the whole video is interesting). Guess it didn't work in this particular case though ...

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So what you are saying is you don't want to be bothered with learning. Well you can down grade for free. Then pass me your Win8 key thank-you very much.

I'd give it to you for $15

Not even joking the fact you want it for free even shows you wouldn't even pay for Windows 8, and that's a bit funny but mostly sad.

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What are you? A dog? (Looking at your profile pic) :D

I don't want to be rude, I just found it very funny you started your post with: You humans.

Seems like you didn't feel you belong to the same group

well I...:p

I'd rather get a lump of coal in my stocking, than a copy of Windows 8.

Just pass that copy and key my way. Thank you very much. :)

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FloatingFatMan

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It is official folks, even if we like a product, we can NEVER.....NEVER say anything that irritates us again. Let's just get rid of movie, game, and product reviews since we cannot say anything about a product. If a company want to make a defective video card, it is their product and can do whatever they want with it.

Wow, Dotty really got you, didn't he? Seriously guy, I agree with your point of view, but you really need to calm down a bit. It's only Dotty... Ignore him! :p

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It's hard to ignore his condescending attitude towards people, don't like Windows 8? Tough, it must be something you are doing wrong because he thinks Windows 8 is the second coming and he can't possibly be wrong because Microsoft is God.

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Well, yeah. It's kinda annoying, but not enough to stress over. Personally, I kinda like Windows 8, but the start screen gets up my nose a bit, and I almost never use any of the metro apps as they just use too much screen space (and I have 2 monitors).

Also, full screen apps on a 24" monitor look horrible.

But it's fine. I quite happily use the desktop, with Classic Start, and I don't generally have any problems until I start to game. Then the hotspots tend to get irritating as, to aid multi-screening, I play games windowed.

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