Windows 8: A

By JamesGandi
in Back Page News

 Share

Recommended Posts

Grand Master

neufuse Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted

The mouse is not emulating touch. Nor was it ever designed to, and Windows 8 IS NOT replacing natural mouse movements with touch emulations.

The same can be said with webpages on a tablet, but we've known for a while now that the scroll wheel on the mouse makes our lives easier. The scroll wheel is the most efficient way to scroll. Duh.

So, why are you using the scrollbar? I've known since the betas that Start can be scrolled using the wheel...

wow talk about completely missing the point... no one said it was replacing the mouse, I am saying I want it to ACT CONSISTANT!

I've known since the first scroll mouse came out you can scroll, point being?! Like I said... every touch UI I've ever worked with, if you can tap and drag, you can also click and drag... which works EVERYWHERE in windows except on the start screen

Grand Master

Dot Matrix

Posted
Posted

wow talk about completely missing the point... no one said it was replacing the mouse, I am saying I want it to ACT CONSISTANT!

I've known since the first scroll mouse came out you can scroll, point being?! Like I said... every touch UI I've ever worked with, if you can tap and drag, you can also click and drag... which works EVERYWHERE in windows except on the start screen

You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS... Windows 8 is not meant to replace the mouse with touch emulators. Touch and drag is the last thing you want users doing.

Grand Master

neufuse Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted

You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS... Windows 8 is not meant to replace the mouse with touch emulators. Touch and drag is the last thing you want users doing.

I can click and drag metro apps at the top of the screen...

I can click and drag metro apps in the metro task switcher...

I can click and drag the title screen to get to the login screen.....

need I continue?

these where all designed as touch UI interfaces and are emulated with the mouse just fine...

Grand Master

Dot Matrix

Posted
Posted

I can click and drag metro apps at the top of the screen...

I can click and drag metro apps in the metro task switcher...

I can click and drag the title screen to get to the login screen.....

need I continue?

these where all designed as touch UI interfaces and are emulated with the mouse just fine...

Now you're talking about moving apps, like you currently move windows on the desktop, not scrolling using click and drag. So what is it?

Grand Master

neufuse Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted

Now you're talking about moving apps, like you currently move windows on the desktop, not scrolling using click and drag. So what is it?

you are the one that said you can "You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS" nothing about scrolling... I'm the one that said it should be consistent, anything that is touch and do an action should be able to also be done with a mouse click

Grand Master

Dot Matrix

Posted
Posted

you are the one that said you can "You cannot click and drag anywhere in the OS" nothing about scrolling... I'm the one that said it should be consistent, anything that is touch and do an action should be able to also be done with a mouse click

You were talking about scrolling, not moving windows around. Clicking to scroll is the least efficient method to move the screen. You can't do that to scroll a webpage, so naturally you can't do that to scroll an app.

Grand Master

neufuse Veteran

Posted
  • Veteran
Posted

You were talking about scrolling, not moving windows around. Clicking to scroll is the least efficient method to move the screen. You can't do that to scroll a webpage, so naturally you can't do that to scroll an app.

lets just agree to disagree on what is and isn't most efficient

Grand Master

trek

Posted
Posted

lets just agree to disagree on what is and isn't most efficient

Was the behavior you're describing click+drag to move the metro screen like Mission Control on a Mac? If so I find that far more intuitive than a scrollbar... I agree. Or another example of bad design is using the scroll wheel up and down on the mouse that moves metro left and right... (makes sense right?!)

Grand Master

*RedBull*

Posted
Posted

You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. Resistance to change and all. When effieciency is achieved in a fluid use of both touch and mouse. Both have their positive sides. Windows 8 is not altogther that different than Windows 7. Windows 8 is faster, more fluid in use, more functional in different ways, more intuitive than Windows 7. That's not to say Windows 7 isn't good. I was resistant to Windows 8 and the Start Screen. I've learned to use it. Still don't like the extra clicks but it's worth it.

The idiot in the article needs to not post on the internet period. And go back to windows 95SE.

Grand Master

Dashel

Posted
Posted

Clicking to scroll is the least efficient method to move the screen. You can't do that to scroll a webpage, so naturally you can't do that to scroll an app.

Thats debatable since that very feature has been (and remains) in browsers and other apps (like Acrobat Reader) for quite awhile (middle click). The more pressing issue is why scrolling is still so finicky that people prefer to use the dragable scroll bar.

Collaborator

Roxkis

Posted
Posted

You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. Resistance to change and all. When effieciency is achieved in a fluid use of both touch and mouse. Both have their positive sides. Windows 8 is not altogther that different than Windows 7. Windows 8 is faster, more fluid in use, more functional in different ways, more intuitive than Windows 7. That's not to say Windows 7 isn't good. I was resistant to Windows 8 and the Start Screen. I've learned to use it. Still don't like the extra clicks but it's worth it.

The idiot in the article needs to not post on the internet period. And go back to windows 95SE.

Is that because his opinion is different then yours?

Grand Master

*RedBull*

Posted
Posted

Why is it worth extra clicks? It's not for me, so I'm just wondering.

Because if take the time to setup a dual boot you'll see how much more functional 8 is over 7.

That's what I did to compare on the hardware. Since setting up 8 I've only used 7 a few times. I meant overall the inconvenience of a few clicks is worth getting a better OS. 8 is not that much different than 7. Just better. I honesty did not expect it to be.

Collaborator

contextfree

Posted
Posted

Thats debatable since that very feature has been (and remains) in browsers and other apps (like Acrobat Reader) for quite awhile (middle click). The more pressing issue is why scrolling is still so finicky that people prefer to use the dragable scroll bar.

It's pretty simple, the scrollbar basically compresses the page into one view allowing you to quickly jump to any point on it (and some apps like Chrome or certain Visual Studio addins even add extra useful stuff like indicating points of interest directly on the scrollbar, which the scrollbar click-and-drag mechanism makes it easy to get to), while with click-and-drag or even scrollwheel you have to move one screen at the time. Even with touch, although inertial scrolling helps with this, I often find myself wanting a scrollbar so I can jump somewhere more quickly.

Grand Master

Stoffel

Posted
Posted

You humans get stuck on doing things a certain way. ...

What are you? A dog? (Looking at your profile pic) :D

I don't want to be rude, I just found it very funny you started your post with: You humans.

Seems like you didn't feel you belong to the same group

Collaborator

contextfree

Posted
Posted
As well as how to drag and move live tiles easily [drag down slightly and hold for a sec, then drag is smooth].

Ha, you actually still don't have this right. You're not supposed to "hold for a sec", you can just pull it out directly with no waiting necessary.

BTW there's an interesting video here -> http://channel9.msdn.com/Events/TechDays/Techdays-2012-the-Netherlands/2373 where the designer of the Windows 8 touch UI talks specifically about how they tried to design select and rearrange so that they would be "self-teaching", including to avoid giving people the "superstitious beliefs" that they needed to press and hold. (you can skip to 33:00 for this, including footage of usability tests, though the whole video is interesting). Guess it didn't work in this particular case though ...

Grand Master

Motoko.

Posted
Posted

So what you are saying is you don't want to be bothered with learning. Well you can down grade for free. Then pass me your Win8 key thank-you very much.

I'd give it to you for $15

Not even joking the fact you want it for free even shows you wouldn't even pay for Windows 8, and that's a bit funny but mostly sad.

Grand Master

*RedBull*

Posted
Posted

What are you? A dog? (Looking at your profile pic) :D

I don't want to be rude, I just found it very funny you started your post with: You humans.

Seems like you didn't feel you belong to the same group

well I...:p

I'd rather get a lump of coal in my stocking, than a copy of Windows 8.

Just pass that copy and key my way. Thank you very much. :)

Grand Master

FloatingFatMan

Posted
Posted

It is official folks, even if we like a product, we can NEVER.....NEVER say anything that irritates us again. Let's just get rid of movie, game, and product reviews since we cannot say anything about a product. If a company want to make a defective video card, it is their product and can do whatever they want with it.

Wow, Dotty really got you, didn't he? Seriously guy, I agree with your point of view, but you really need to calm down a bit. It's only Dotty... Ignore him! :p

Grand Master

TheLegendOfMart

Posted
Posted

It's hard to ignore his condescending attitude towards people, don't like Windows 8? Tough, it must be something you are doing wrong because he thinks Windows 8 is the second coming and he can't possibly be wrong because Microsoft is God.

  • Lord Method Man and HoochieMamma
  • Like 2
Grand Master

FloatingFatMan

Posted
Posted

Well, yeah. It's kinda annoying, but not enough to stress over. Personally, I kinda like Windows 8, but the start screen gets up my nose a bit, and I almost never use any of the metro apps as they just use too much screen space (and I have 2 monitors).

Also, full screen apps on a 24" monitor look horrible.

But it's fine. I quite happily use the desktop, with Classic Start, and I don't generally have any problems until I start to game. Then the hotspots tend to get irritating as, to aid multi-screening, I play games windowed.

This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Posts

    • U.S. partially reverses Anthropic AI ban for Mythos but keeps Fable 5 off the market

      By Karthik Mudaliar · Posted

      U.S. partially reverses Anthropic AI ban for Mythos but keeps Fable 5 off the market by Karthik Mudaliar Anthropic says that the U.S. government has finally allowed it to restore Claude Mythos 5. But of course, there's a catch. The rollout is again for a limited set of U.S. organizations that operate and defend critical infrastructure. The company announced this in a post on X (formerly Twitter). This does not mean that Anthropic's latest frontier models are back to normal availability. Fable 5, which was a tuned version of Mythos 5 for public release, remains unavailable. Anthropic said that it is still working with the government to expand Mythos 5 access and make Fable 5 available again, but there's no timeline. Reports from Bloomberg and Reuters say that this decision actually came through a letter from the U.S. Commerce Department. According to Reuters, this would allow more than 100 companies and institutions access to Mythos 5. Reuters also reported that Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnick’s letter removes the need for export licenses for approved companies’ non-US citizen employees, as well as Anthropic’s own non-US citizen employees, while restrictions remain for organizations outside the approved list. Anthropic isn't alone with this kind of controlled rollout. OpenAI's newest model family, GPT 5.6, was announced just yesterday, but isn't available for everyone yet. In its announcement, OpenAI also said that access to these models is initially limited to a select group of trusted partners and organizations, with broader access planned later this year. Both of these cases show that frontier AI launches are no longer just ordinary product releases and more like slow and vetted deployments shaped heavily by the U.S. government.
    • OpenAI announces GPT‑5.6 Sol, its next-generation flagship model beating Claude Mythos 5

      By monterxz · Posted

      Sol, Terra, Luna - aren't those the names of failed crypto coins? 🤣🤣🤣
    • Microsoft Weekly: 5 years of Windows 11, more support for Windows 10, and expensive Xbox

      By TarasBuria · Posted

      Microsoft Weekly: 5 years of Windows 11, more support for Windows 10, and expensive Xbox by Taras Buria This week's news recap is here, with Microsoft giving Windows 10 one more year of support, Windows 11 getting new taskbar settings in preview updates, Steam Machine prices, higher XBOX prices, and many more. Quick links: Windows 10 and 11 Windows Insider Program Updates are available Reviews are in Gaming news Great deals to check Windows 11 and Windows 10 Here, we talk about everything happening around Microsoft's latest operating system in the Stable channel and preview builds: new features, removed features, controversies, bugs, interesting findings, and more. And, of course, you may find a word or two about older versions. On June 24, 2026, Windows 11 turned five. The controversial operating system was released half a decade ago, and during these years, it received a fair share of criticism (such as poor Windows Search and its web results), which Microsoft is now actively addressing with regular preview updates that deliver missing, long-requested features. With Windows 12 nowhere to be seen on the horizon, it will be interesting to see if Windows 11 can stay on the market for as long as Windows 10 did. Speaking of Windows 10 and staying on the market, this week, Microsoft quietly prolonged the Extended Security Updates program for Windows 10, allowing users to get one more year of security updates if they do not want or cannot upgrade to Windows 11. Finally, Microsoft released this month's non-security update for Windows 11. KB5095093 arrived with a traditionally long list of new features, including point-in-time restore, new Windows Update settings, quieter Windows Widgets, new accessibility features, File Explorer updates and performance improvements, and more. Windows Insider Program Here is what Microsoft released for Windows Insiders this week: Builds Canary Channel Build 29617.1000 and build 28120.2374 These builds bring new accessibility features, new Windows Update controls, audio improvements, and more. Dev Channel Build 26300.8758 This build includes redesigned taskbar settings, File Explorer improvements, and more. Beta Channel Build 26220.8754 and build 28020.2366 This small update fixes the OneDrive bug in File Explorer, tweaks system sounds in dark mode, and more. Updates are available This section covers software, firmware, and other notable updates (released and coming soon) delivering new features, security fixes, improvements, patches, and more from Microsoft and third parties. If you use AI-powered browsing history search in Microsoft Edge, the company has bad news. A new update on the Microsoft 365 Roadmap revealed that Microsoft is discontinuing the feature. Despite using on-device models for natural search, some users found it creepy, claiming that Microsoft lacks trust in features like this. While the ability to find pages without using 100% precise words may sound cool, customers argued that it was nothing but another feature to bloat the browser with more AI. Good riddance? PowerToys received several updates this week. For one, Microsoft released version 0.100.1 with several improvements and bug fixes for the recently arrived version 0.100. A couple of days later, Microsoft dropped another update, this time fixing memory leaks in Command Palette Dock. In addition, the company is working on a new module that will make it easier to switch between windows within one application using the Alt + ` shortcut. The new module should make it to the stable release somewhere soon. Here are other updates and releases you may find interesting: New Ventoy update adds Windows 11's mandatory update support and more Microsoft updates Visual Studio Code with chat cost tracking and multi-agent chats Microsoft is building an AI datacenter that "uses less water than a fast food restaurant" Microsoft adds new AI study and teaching tools for free to Microsoft 365 Education Researchers claim Microsoft's quantum breakthrough is flawed by basic Python errors Microsoft is bringing a much-needed Recap app to Teams Microsoft's fast coding model, MAI-Code-1-Flash, comes to Copilot Business and Enterprise Here are the latest drivers and firmware updates released this week: AMD Radeon Software 26.6.2 with FSR 4.1 support for RDNA 3 graphics card. However, the driver contained a bug, which prevented installations on Windows 10 PCs. AMD fixed that with a quick hotfix update. Reviews are in Here is the hardware and software we reviewed this week This week, Steven Parker published several reviews. He shared his experience with the Creative Sound Blaster AE-X PCIe, a high-quality sound card with a headphone amp, low-latency communications, great build quality, and DSD256. However, it is on the pricier side of the spectrum, and it lacks EMI shielding. Check out the full review here. The second review is about the TerraMaster F4-425 Pro, an octa-core Intel NAS with a stand-out feature: built-in AI (OpenClaw). We also published a few Hands On reviews, which you can view below: We check out the SKG PS700 Neck Massager SKG Hand Massager with Heat OS500 hands on Hands-on with BOOX Tappy: cute little reading accessory Hands on with the ProtoArc EM25 affordable ergonomic mouse On the gaming side Learn about upcoming game releases, Xbox rumors, new hardware, software updates, freebies, deals, discounts, and more. If you plan to purchase a new Xbox, it's time to act now. This week, Microsoft announced yet another Xbox price increase. Starting August 1, 2026, all Xbox Series X|S models with 512 GB of storage will cost $100 more. As for the 1TB models, they are going up in price by a whopping $150. Finally, Microsoft is discontinuing the 2TB Xbox Series X. To make up for that, Microsoft announced a few programs to make its consoles more accessible. Those include BNPL, interest-free financing, pre-owned consoles, certified refurbished consoles, and more. Valve also shared some not-so-welcome news. The company has finally announced prices of the upcoming Steam Machine console, and if you plan to buy one, get ready to spend a whopping $1,049 on the 512GB configuration. The Steam Machine is now available for preorder, with shipments scheduled for June 29, 2026. Grand Theft Auto VI also received its official price tag. Rockstar Games announced that the long-anticipated game will launch at $79.99 for the base edition and $99.99 for the ultimate edition. The latter includes an exclusive collection of premium vehicles, weapons, apparel, and action threaded across all aspects of Jason and Lucia’s story." Those who preorder the game will get extra bonuses, including a Vintage Vice City Pack of cosmetic items as well as a free month of GTA+. NVIDIA announced new games for its GeForce NOW streaming service. Those include Dark Scrolls, SAND: Raiders of Sophie, Deer & Boy, EMPULSE, and more. Steam is running its annual Summer Sale, during which you can purchase plenty of various games with big discounts. It runs until July 9, so in case you missed it, you can still get some games at a lower price. Also, you can get two games for free in the Epic Games Store, plus more deals are available in this week's Weekend PC Game Deals issue. This link will take you to other issues of the Microsoft Weekly series. You can also support Neowin by registering for a free member account or subscribing for extra member benefits, along with an ad-free tier option.
    • New PowerToys update fixes memory leaks and other issues

      By Steven P. · Posted

      Text extractor hasn't been working great on 0.99.1 but I am now updating to this version, hopefully it's better!
    • The Trump administration doesn't want you to use OpenAI's GPT-5.6 without its approval

      By monterxz · Posted

      Yet you did exactly what they wanted you to do - is it better now without "Europrats"? BTW, UK had joined EU (EEC back then) and was one of the leading member states, it never joined Schengen Zone though 😉

  • Recent Achievements

    • Week One Done
      flexorcist earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Month Later
      Woland13 earned a badge
      One Month Later
    • Week One Done
      Woland13 earned a badge
      Week One Done
    • One Year In
      bernmeister earned a badge
      One Year In
    • Week One Done
      Scoobystu earned a badge
      Week One Done

  • Popular Contributors

    1. 1
      +primortal
      502
    2. 2
      +Edouard
      226
    3. 3
      PsYcHoKiLLa
      156
    4. 4
      Steven P.
      75
    5. 5
      FloatingFatMan
      71
    Show More

  • Tell a friend

    Love Neowin? Tell a friend!