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Going to keep this brief.

Executives ramping pressure for iPad's and RDP for iPad after begin given Surfaces.

Syncing music and media between desktop, tablet, and phone, matters. Yes, even in business. Executives do this by the gigs, it's the only technical thing they can do and with the Apple products and iTunes it just works.

Microsoft has left us nothing, we lose. Even though RDP is far superior on Surface, and free.

Does anyone else get it. Am I the only one that sees that releasing Windows 8, Surface, Windows Phone 8, the dysfunctional Music App, and meaningless Windows Phone App, with no single media management hub for music, playlists, videos, ala iTunes is just a disaster?

I hate iPads in the enterprise, but, we lose.

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I'm not sure what business you are in, but that's not the case where I work. Most of the executives were given ipads as a perk, which largely doesn't get used because it's not functional for work. One even refused to take it. But the second Win8 tablets were announced, from the president on down demanded that IT get them one. Executives we support could care less about music, playlists, videos or itunes. They want to look at Word files, spreadsheets, the web, and outlook on the go.
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Yes. I think those of us who like Windows 8 recognize that the Metro side still doesn't have the software support it deserves. Understandable for 3rd parties, not understandable for Microsoft applications.
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I think a lot of people are just fixed on features they don't understand, we get a "half assed music app" because the surface is a computer not a tablet... you aren't syncing it, you are using it as a desktop... we are so used to the iTunes sync music model....

but then I work for a company that has a $50,000 polycom based video conference center that never gets used, and execs are like OMG Facetime is great! I can video chat with clients! *stares at the video conference center we built 3yrs ago* yeah, we had that a long time ago with a production set... to talk to clients and no one touched it....
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I don't know what the deal is with Microsoft lately and all the stupid changes they've been doing but I will tell you this:

I have an iPad 3 and an iMac and I like them both, however, I just got into a Galaxy Note 2 and I think the Google Music app is superior to Apple's alternative because, not only can I listen to my songs on my phone or any other Android device I have, but the simple fact that Google lets you upload up to 20,000 songs for free is amazing. Apple charges $24.99 I believe for iTunes match and Google's alternative is 100% free.

It's really a no brainer as to who gives you more and who has the better service. Microsoft on the other hand is behind in every aspect.

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[quote name='selphj' timestamp='1354818795' post='595372958']
I'm not sure what business you are in, but that's not the case where I work. Most of the executives were given ipads as a perk, which largely doesn't get used because it's not functional for work. One even refused to take it. But the second Win8 tablets were announced, from the president on down demanded that IT get them one. Executives we support could care less about music, playlists, videos or itunes. They want to look at Word files, spreadsheets, the web, and outlook on the go.
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This. I work in an executive office of 50+ executives from a fortune 500 company. I do the IT support, and they view their iPad's as toys that aren't really work functional, but are fun while traveling. The office suite alone is enough to have them wanting to get the Surface devices.
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You seem to have a beef with the Music app, but yet you provide no sources... Windows 8 is more than the music app. If you want to sync it, use a different method. There are plenty of other methods. The Surface is a stand alone computer, it's not a dependent device like an iPad.

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[quote name='MorganX' timestamp='1354818382' post='595372952']
Going to keep this brief.

Executives ramping pressure for iPad's and RDP for iPad after begin given Surfaces.

Syncing music and media between desktop, tablet, and phone, matters. Yes, even in business. Executives do this by the gigs, it's the only technical thing they can do and with the Apple products and iTunes it just works.

Microsoft has left us nothing, we lose. Even though RDP is far superior on Surface, and free.

Does anyone else get it. Am I the only one that sees that releasing Windows 8, Surface, Windows Phone 8, the dysfunctional Music App, and meaningless Windows Phone App, with no single media management hub for music, playlists, videos, ala iTunes is just a disaster?

I hate iPads in the enterprise, but, we lose.
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Its enterprise support is still **** poor, Surface might not be perfect without domain join but local group policy is there as is delegation of permissions for different jobs and powershell.

Id love to see RSAT and Domain join on RT but its already the strongest offering out there by far

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The Surface RT isn't even meant for the damn enterprise. That's what the PRO is for.

Jesus.
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[quote name='ahhell' timestamp='1354819913' post='595373028']
The Surface RT isn't even meant for the damn enterprise. That's what the PRO is for.

Jesus.
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You can't be serious ... but I think you are.
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Where can I get a surface pro with a decent battery life that isn't twice the thickness/weight of the RT version ?

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[quote name='MorganX' timestamp='1354818382' post='595372952']
Going to keep this brief.

Executives ramping pressure for iPad's and RDP for iPad after begin given Surfaces.

Syncing music and media between desktop, tablet, and phone, matters. Yes, even in business. Executives do this by the gigs, it's the only technical thing they can do and with the Apple products and iTunes it just works.

Microsoft has left us nothing, we lose. Even though RDP is far superior on Surface, and free.

Does anyone else get it. Am I the only one that sees that releasing Windows 8, Surface, Windows Phone 8, the dysfunctional Music App, and meaningless Windows Phone App, with no single media management hub for music, playlists, videos, ala iTunes is just a disaster?

I hate iPads in the enterprise, but, we lose.
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Isn't the fact that you can use pen input with Surface a big plus?

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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1354819474' post='595372998']
You seem to have a beef with the Music app, but yet you provide no sources... Windows 8 is more than the music app. If you want to sync it, use a different method. There are plenty of other methods. The Surface is a stand alone computer, it's not a dependent device like an iPad.
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No kidding sync it using a different method, as if you have a choice. ::rolls eyes:: Windows Media Player works best btw, but that's besides the point. You simply don't get it. I'm living it, that's my source. Check my content if you want to know what "my" particular beef with its.

Understand this, IT only has so much say so with Execs. When you start talking different methods, well that's when that method becomes what they want. iPad, iTunes, and iPhone. Made for the Enterprise or not. I want Microsoft to improve, and quickly. But with so many evangelist sheep unwilling to constructively criticize blatant weaknesses or omissions, it's hopeless.
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[quote name='MorganX' timestamp='1354820129' post='595373040']
You can't be serious ... but I think you are.
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*sigh* Maybe you should do some research. The RT is meant for consumers. It's NOT designed for the enterprise in mind. Sure you can use one for business but you don't have full enterprise support (domain add, remote management, etc).
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[quote name='brianshapiro' timestamp='1354820369' post='595373054']
Isn't the fact that you can use pen input with Surface a big plus?
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Not really, not with executives. They actually want RDP. They've learned their limited apps on the desktop, and want to use that from home, and aren't interested in much else other than using their tablet for "away from office" productivity if you catch my drift. And that's where Surface just isn't up to Apple's standard.

Unfortunately, what executives want, everyone else wants to mimic.

I do believe when Surface Pro is available it will do very well as a laptop alternative. But will do nothing to slow iPad penetration. At least not with upper management.

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Zune is what I use to rip CD's. But if you want to Sync content, there's always SkyDrive.

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[quote name='ahhell' timestamp='1354820582' post='595373062']
*sigh* Maybe you should do some research. The RT is meant for consumers. It's NOT designed for the enterprise in mind. Sure you can use one for business but you don't have full enterprise support (domain add, remote management, etc).
:rolleyes:
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I hear you, and don't disagree. Then there's reality. You think iPad's are made for the Enterprise from a Microsoft Technical Architecture standpoint. And the problem here isn't even "Enterprise" features, it's the non-enterprise usability that attracts Execs. That's just the way it works around here.

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[quote name='MorganX' timestamp='1354820771' post='595373074']
Not really, not with executives. They actually want RDP. They've learned their limited apps on the desktop, and want to use that from home, and aren't interested in much else other than using their tablet for "away from office" productivity if you catch my drift. And that's where Surface just isn't up to Apple's standard.

Unfortunately, what executives want, everyone else wants to mimic.

I do believe when Surface Pro is available it will do very well as a laptop alternative. But will do nothing to slow iPad penetration. At least not with upper management.
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Isn't there a Remote Desktop app on the WinRT marketplace?

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[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1354820881' post='595373082']
Zune is what I use to rip CD's. But if you want to Sync content, there's always SkyDrive.
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SkyDrive is great, as is the Office 2013 integration. I'm digging that, but it is beside the point.

See we have strict storage use policies. But there's this group of influential members, that can have 1TB of Chopin, Steely Dan, and Barbara Streisand discography and have it all backed up and deduped. And they will sync it with the tablet and phone with iTunes.

I actually thought we'd finally be rid of Apple, and it's just not going to happen, lol. Just not gonna happen.

[quote name='brianshapiro' timestamp='1354820921' post='595373090']
Isn't there a Remote Desktop app on the WinRT marketplace?
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Yes, I think it's fantastic. They want their iPad and demand an RDP app for it as opposed to the Surface. I'll be curious to see how others fare in their environments as far as displacing the infectuous iPad goes.

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^ it has built in remote desktop application with gateway support

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Why not back that up to a server and use the Play To feature? Or make the drive a network drive accessible by the Surface tablets?

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[quote name='neufuse' timestamp='1354819026' post='595372974']
I think a lot of people are just fixed on features they don't understand, we get a "half assed music app" because the surface is a computer not a tablet... you aren't syncing it, you are using it as a desktop... we are so used to the iTunes sync music model....

but then I work for a company that has a $50,000 polycom based video conference center that never gets used, and execs are like OMG Facetime is great! I can video chat with clients! *stares at the video conference center we built 3yrs ago* yeah, we had that a long time ago with a production set... to talk to clients and no one touched it....
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Hahah, thank goodness for Lync. And Lync on iPad is actually pretty nice. But I like Lync for Windows 8/RT even better.

[quote name='Dot Matrix' timestamp='1354821402' post='595373120']
Why not back that up to a server and use the Play To feature? Or make the drive a network drive accessible by the Surface tablets?
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We'll just give them iPads. Actually they have iPad's, we'll just let them RDP with it. Gotta pick your battles and this just isn't worth it.

[quote name='threetonesun' timestamp='1354818860' post='595372960']
Yes. I think those of us who like Windows 8 recognize that the Metro side still doesn't have the software support it deserves. Understandable for 3rd parties, not understandable for Microsoft applications.
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I feel better. Really, I do. Thank you. :)

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If you think Microsoft is bad, try getting an Android and syncing it with media stuff on Mac. Its crap.

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[quote name='Scorbing' timestamp='1354819355' post='595372992']
I don't know what the deal is with Microsoft lately and all the stupid changes they've been doing but I will tell you this:

I have an iPad 3 and an iMac and I like them both, however, I just got into a Galaxy Note 2 and I think the Google Music app is superior to Apple's alternative because, not only can I listen to my songs on my phone or any other Android device I have, but the simple fact that Google lets you upload up to 20,000 songs for free is amazing. Apple charges $24.99 I believe for iTunes match and Google's alternative is 100% free.

It's really a no brainer as to who gives you more and who has the better service. Microsoft on the other hand is behind in every aspect.
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The Xbox music app and Amazon cloud Music can scan your music collection and let you stream it from their collection to other devices without uploading anything. If they don't have it you can upload your songs to Amazon Cloud (free 5 GB) and SkyDrive (Free 7 GB or 25 GB for some people like me) and play them from there. Amazon has a good web music player while you have to download the songs from SkyDrive to play until they get a web music player working if you don't want to sync to that device which is strange because you can stream video from SkyDrive.

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[quote name='StandingInAlley' timestamp='1354821730' post='595373128']
If you think Microsoft is bad, try getting an Android and syncing it with media stuff on Mac. Its crap.
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Likewise, if you have an iMac or iPad, try syncing it with media stuff in an Android or other device. Epic fail. I think they do it on purpose.

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