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there are tons of incidents where 10+ people died at once in some tradgic incident like this? wow, would love to see this.... the problem is news is too fast now days and reporters take ANY piece of story to make something..... thats why the story kept changing so fast.. everyone had a story, even people that wern't involved directly had a story without knowing true information.... same thing happened on sept 11th..... people that wernt there strangely "Saw" something... and no you can't believe kids, a lot of them have great imaginations and like to tell stories... on the news that day there was a kid interviewed that said the shooter was shooting in his room, and turned out there was never anything happening in that room... another kid said the guy was throwing "bombs".. no bombs found... "things where blowing up" once again... no bombs... kids imagination and interpertation of what happened... kids will fill in the blanks it asked about something they didn't know everything about.. it happens all the time

YES. Chicago there are almost 500 murders this year and a few have had 6-10 in a day. As far as the kid, there is video of them chasing someone into the woods. Where is the video or report of the bombs? And I can understand both of those. If a kid is hiding and hears LOUD gun shots, how do they know f it's in their class or not? Or the difference between that and a bomb? Are they war vets?

That is different than seeing a man on the floor in handcuffs. The police saw two men running towards him and says so on the scanner. So he is lying too? We can't trust his judgement?

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That is pretty messed up! Is there an explanation for this? Maybe he is a sociopath?!

Or maybe his 6 year old daughter just got murdered and his head really isn't working properly at the moment... I dunno tho, maybe the batman conspiracy is real.

How idiotic can people be?

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Yeah but he used the rifle to kill the kids right? But it was found in the car. People think this is a damn game.

so you are going by a video of a guy that is under a low of stress talking, wow no one ever messes up facts in those situations right?... never... heck he might not of even been there for a lot of stuff and just got information from different sources... that happens a LOT in criminology, the problem is people shouldn't talk or hold press conferences UNTIL everyone has the facts straight or people twist everything that is accidently said wrong...

I mean comon first it was two people went in and one was deatained... then it was one... then his mom worked there... then she didnt.... then his girlfriend died at the house... then it was his grandma... then it was his mom... then he had 3 guns... then 2... then all hand guns... then 2 hand guns and a rifel... then they where stolen... then registered to his mom... then turned out the person detained was his brother in another state and had no idea what happened at first..... then the names where wrong..... then the number killed was wrong multiple times all "confirmed" every time....

honestly no one should say a thing until an official report is done... until then its all what ever someone heard or said reported...

YES. Chicago there are almost 500 murders this year and a few have had 6-10 in a day. As far as the kid, there is video of them casing someone into the woods.Where is the vdeo or report of the bombs? And I can understand both of those. If a kid is hiding and hears LOUD gun shots, how do they know f it's in their class or not? Or the difference between that and a bomb? Are they war vets?

That is different than seeing a man on the floor in handcuffs. The police saw two men running towards him and says so on the scanner. So he is lying too? We can't trust his judgement?

6-10 a day by the same person at the same time by the same person? 500 murders in a city is nothing.... there was 12,664 murders alone last year in large cities.. look up the FBI crime index statistics...

and what you hear on a police scanner doesn't necesseraily mean what the public thinks it does... it could of been teachers running, or anyone else you have no idea what was going on when something was reported

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YES. Chicago there are almost 500 murders this year and a few have had 6-10 in a day. As far as the kid, there is video of them casing someone into the woods.Where is the vdeo or report of the bombs? And I can understand both of those. If a kid is hiding and hears LOUD gun shots, how do they know f it's in their class or not? Or the difference between that and a bomb? Are they war vets?

That is different than seeing a man on the floor in handcuffs. The police saw two men running towards him and says so on the scanner. So he is lying too? We can't trust his judgement?

People might take you more seriously if you could string a complete, coherent thought together and communicate it effectively. Seriously, read what you wrote to yourself, out loud. You sound like a raving lunatic.

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How so? If people really care about these kids like they say they do, why not explore all angles? What happened to the other two people that were arrested? What abot "End the life of Adam"?

What other two people were arrested? If your source is a news report - well, there was a huge article out on how so much of this event was wrong on news. News stations openly admitted that with today's technology of instant, world-wide information, that they are in constant competition to get the latest angle out first...WITHOUT ANY VALIDATION. They hear a rumor and go with it without verifying the source.

I didn't see a single person in handcuffs during all of this except his brother, who was only brought in for questioning.

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How so? If people really care about these kids like they say they do, why not explore all angles? What happened to the other two people that were arrested? What abot "End the life of Adam"?

that's not even the same voice someone did a voice over on that thing to put that in, and all police are trained to talk clearly and not quietly into their radios... that one part compared to the rest is an obvious fake

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People might take you more seriously if you could string a complete, coherent thought together and communicate it effectively. Seriously, read what you wrote to yourself, out loud. You sound like a raving lunatic.

I'm not worried if you take me seriously or not. I'm not here to please you. If you can't contribute, don't talk to me. Seriously.

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that's not even the same voice someone did a voice over on that thing to put that in, and all police are trained to talk clearly and not quietly into their radios... that one part compared to the rest is an obvious fake

Fake? How so? And have you ever heard a police radio? So if that one part is a fake, what about the part where the cop says he see's two people running towads him and "This is it!".Then whe he goes on to say he has one "proned out". Is that fake too?

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Fake? How so? And have you ever heard a police radio? So if that one part is a fake, what about the part where the cop says he see's two people running towads him and "This is it!".Then whe he goes on to say he has one "proned out". Is that fake too?

Hi, I have a criminology degree and have worked with police and other law encforcement officers in the past. nice to meet you.....

Like I said you have NO idea what they where talking about, you don't have video, saying two people running is nothing, it could of been anyone trying to get away, teachers, staff, other people you have no idea... and this is it also means well nothing, he could of saw someone that was dead and said that when they found the crime scene... you don't know, you wernt there to see it... and proned out? ok so someone is face down, so what? you still did not see what was going on!

police aren't just reporting on the radio what suspects are doing, but anything they think someone should be aware of

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so you are going by a video of a guy that is under a low of stress talking, wow no one ever messes up facts in those situations right?... never... heck he might not of even been there for a lot of stuff and just got information from different sources... that happens a LOT in criminology, the problem is people shouldn't talk or hold press conferences UNTIL everyone has the facts straight or people twist everything that is accidently said wrong...

I mean comon first it was two people went in and one was deatained... then it was one... then his mom worked there... then she didnt.... then his girlfriend died at the house... then it was his grandma... then it was his mom... then he had 3 guns... then 2... then all hand guns... then 2 hand guns and a rifel... then they where stolen... then registered to his mom... then turned out the person detained was his brother in another state and had no idea what happened at first..... then the names where wrong..... then the number killed was wrong multiple times all "confirmed" every time....

honestly no one should say a thing until an official report is done... until then its all what ever someone heard or said reported...

6-10 a day by the same person at the same time by the same person? 500 murders in a city is nothing.... there was 12,664 murders alone last year in large cities.. look up the FBI crime index statistics...

and what you hear on a police scanner doesn't necesseraily mean what the public thinks it does... it could of been teachers running, or anyone else you have no idea what was going on when something was reported

As far as the misinformation from multiple sources, yes that happens quite a bit. Difference is, if we are talking about fixing these issues, we need to actually talk about it. I don't see a single report of what you are talking about as far as the mixups go. I see a report about them detaining one person in the woods, and a report about another near the school. The kid said he saw someone in handcuffs on the floor, the officer said he had someone proned out. A teacher said she saw two shadows running away from the school the cop on the radio says he see's two people running toward him.

I'm not going off hunches, these are things that are being reported by more than one person at more than one time. I'm not here to play conspiracy games. It is what it is and unfortunately most of Neowin is more concerned with personal attacks rather than actually having a discussion. So what more can I say or do? It's pretty pointless, but entertaining none the less.

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Hi, I have a criminology degree and have worked with police and other law encforcement officers in the past. nice to meet you.....

Like I said you have NO idea what they where talking about, you don't have video, saying two people running is nothing, it could of been anyone trying to get away, teachers, staff, other people you have no idea... and this is it also means well nothing, he could of saw someone that was dead and said that when they found the crime scene... you don't know, you wernt there to see it... and proned out? ok so someone is face down, so what? you still did not see what was going on!

police aren't just reporting on the radio what suspects are doing, but anything they think someone should be aware of

So having a criminology degree makes you a top expert in the field? You are right about one thing tho, I was not there, but neither were you. So I will take the work of a student who was there saying that they had someone else in handcuffs. Obviously the person should not have been there. They would have credentials if they worked for the school right?

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Let me take a wild guess C-Squarez, Your a Pope Ron Paul supporter and oppose gun control. That a coincidence ?

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Let me take a wild guess C-Squarez, Your a Pope Ron Paul supporter and oppose gun control. That a coincidence ?

No not really. Pro Ron Paul I'm guessing is what you meant. And yes, I agree with Ron on a few things but I have never voted for him. If he were an actual contender I would tho. Legalize marijuana since it has no damaging effects on anyone ever in the history of ever. That solves a few problems. End the FED, that doesn't need to be explained. And as far as gun control, I really don't care. I have had the same gun for 10 years, since I was 17 and I never had a permit so how would it affect me? Gun control laws hurt those that follow them.

And understand something, we may not agree on a few things but I'm far from crazy. If I am, you must be too because not even a month and a half ago you were agreeing with everything I was saying in another topic because you hit the like button more than a few times. So if I'm irrational and crazy, you must be too.

I just find it funny. Nothing is ever fishy to some people. They lack reason which is essential to self-preservation. Whatever they are told is just that and there is nothing else to it. That's not the reality of this world and it will never be. I remember when we went into Iraq and you had people, like me, who felt it was unjustified and Saddam had no WMD's. But you had a group of people that swore he was a threat and danger and would use those WMD's on us all if we didn't take him out. They wouldn't even entertain the idea that maybe the intelligence was wrong. Here we are in 2012 and still no WMD's.

You have people that couldn't fathom that the government would kill its own people or conduct biological tests on the populace but thanks to the Freedom of Information Act we know that is NOT the case. But what do I know. I just stay away from personal attacks (most times) and deal in what I know and feel. If a few people don't like it, oh well.

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Legalize marijuana since it has no damaging effects on anyone ever in the history of ever.

Well that's demonstrably false by a simple search on pubmed but whatever.

I just find it funny. Nothing is ever fishy to some people. They lack reason which is essential to self-preservation. Whatever they are told is just that and there is nothing else to it. That's not the reality of this world and it will never be. I remember when we went into Iraq and you had people, like me, who felt it was unjustified and Saddam had no WMD's. But you had a group of people that swore he was a threat and danger and would use those WMD's on us all if we didn't take him out. They wouldn't even entertain the idea that maybe the intelligence was wrong. Here we are in 2012 and still no WMD's.

You have people that couldn't fathom that the government would kill its own people or conduct biological tests on the populace but thanks to the Freedom of Information Act we know that is NOT the case. But what do I know. I just stay away from personal attacks (most times) and deal in what I know and feel. If a few people don't like it, oh well.

But to make that conclusion you need evidence, Finding some inaccurate messages being sent out in a warzone isn't that.

It just all to convenient that the blame for these attacks is again put on in government people who support gun control. It is classic psychological projection and it happens every single time another shootout happens in suburban America.

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So having a criminology degree makes you a top expert in the field? You are right about one thing tho, I was not there, but neither were you. So I will take the work of a student who was there saying that they had someone else in handcuffs. Obviously the person should not have been there. They would have credentials if they worked for the school right?

I'm not saying I am an expert, I am just saying that we can't know what happened, and to listen to audio and determin from that what happened won't work... and people are twisting stuff they don't know any background about.. heck they could of had someone in handcuffs THINKING someone was the one who was responsible... they could of handcuffed a teacher if they where freaking out about what happened to control them, thing is you don't know what happened... handcuffed != necessarily mean responsible... means they need to control someone for any variety of reasons...

and there could of easily been other people in the school without school credentials, almost all elmentary schools have volunteers that have background checks, but not badges or other things employees have... parents could of been there, student teachers, pre student teachers observing teachers (all uncredentialed)... it's not hard to get into a school if you have a reason to be there...

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Well that's demonstrably false by a simple search on pubmed but whatever.

Not true. And I swear I'm not a weed smoker, I have before tho and there is no way to prove that to anyone but I know what i know. And more people die of peanut allergies per year than of marijuana. As a matter of fact, new studies say that weed doesn't damage brain tissue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/teens-marijuana-brain-tissue-alcohol_n_2331779.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

But I understand that the weak need someone to tell them what to believe. They have no power to decide or think for themselves. All I can do is provide something to think about. And it raises the question, who is crazier, me for raising the question, or those who completely ignore it and cast it to the side as the ravings of a lunatic? I mean, the world IS flat after all.

Remember prohibition? Alcohol was the worst thing to ever happen to mankind and it was outlawed. Why is it okay now? Because the government says so? The government dabbles in illegal drugs too, look up project bluebird and no, it's not a conspiracy.

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Or maybe his 6 year old daughter just got murdered and his head really isn't working properly at the moment... I dunno tho, maybe the batman conspiracy is real.

How idiotic can people be?

Have you not encountered loss before?

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I'm not saying I am an expert, I am just saying that we can't know what happened, and to listen to audio and determin from that what happened won't work... and people are twisting stuff they don't know any background about.. heck they could of had someone in handcuffs THINKING someone was the one who was responsible... they could of handcuffed a teacher if they where freaking out about what happened to control them, thing is you don't know what happened... handcuffed != necessarily mean responsible... means they need to control someone for any variety of reasons...

and there could of easily been other people in the school without school credentials, almost all elmentary schools have volunteers that have background checks, but not badges or other things employees have... parents could of been there, student teachers, pre student teachers observing teachers (all uncredentialed)... it's not hard to get into a school if you have a reason to be there...

Completely agree. Problem is, most people in here act as if it just never could happen. I never said they were the ones responsible (that I can recall). I said that two more people were said to be seen and then detained. I was met with wild out bursts that I'm a fool, don't know what I'm talking about and that it's all crazy talk. They could have been detained for any number of reasons. My question is WHY were they detained and why haven't we heard anything about it?

As far as the police scanner being fake, if someone were to come in and say that the first responders at the Batman shooting faked the scanner chatter how viciously would you attack them? If there was audio saying that the perp had orange hair and was shooting innocent people, and they said "Fake! The government faked that just so they could frame him!!" How far would you go with your attacks? But it's okay to claim that the part where they say "End the life of Adam." was faked, right?

And as far as getting into schools without any hassle, I experience it every day. My girlfriend has kids and we go to their elementary school to drop things off and it's like we can walk in and out with the kids with no issue. I guess it helps tho that I live in an upper class neighborhood I guess they don't care.

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Not true. And I swear I'm not a weed smoker, I have before tho and there is no way to prove that to anyone but I know what i know. And more people die of peanut allergies per year than of marijuana. As a matter of fact, new studies say that weed doesn't damage brain tissue.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/21/teens-marijuana-brain-tissue-alcohol_n_2331779.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2516340/

Their are mountains of peer reviewed articles on its negative effects

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How the hell does this go off topic?? Neowin home of the expert fools.. Degrees doesnt prove anything. I know plenty of people who have them... They are usually the ones who I find completely dumb!

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http://www.ncbi.nlm....les/PMC2516340/

Their are mountains of peer reviewed articles on its negative effects

Ever hear of Dr. Max Gerson? He cured cancer. And he has a bunch of clinics that have helped people, at a cost, cure their cancer. Dr. Gerson was exposed tho. It was said that the people who went there and were cured would have been cured anyway because their cancer was just not that bad. There is a movie on Netflix about it.

I say that to say this, who says those people wouldn't have gotten cancer anyway? Even tho the study uses logistic regression and is banking on what ifs. From what I did grasp of that, they were saying that marijuana is more dangerous than cigarettes but also said that non carcinogenics were found in the properties of marijuana which is confusing. Now I'm not the smartest guy so forgive me but what I do know is this. According to the CDC worldwide, tobacco use causes more than 5 million deaths per year.

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statistics/fact_sheets/fast_facts/

And as of 2009 marijuana has killed 0.

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/cms/Causes_of_Death

So going by those numbers, I would say that a 8% increase in a chance for lung cancer by using a substance that is linked to 0 deaths per year is a better deal than smoking a cigarette which is linked to 5 million.

How the hell does this go off topic?? Neowin home of the expert fools.. Degrees doesnt prove anything. I know plenty of people who have them... They are usually the ones who I find completely dumb!

Hey, people with degrees work for me! I don't have one but that's besides the point. I know a lot of people with degrees that work their asses off and make a third of what I make.

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Completely agree. Problem is, most people in here act as if it just never could happen. I never said they were the ones responsible (that I can recall). I said that two more people were said to be seen and then detained. I was met with wild out bursts that I'm a fool, don't know what I'm talking about and that it's all crazy talk. They could have been detained for any number of reasons. My question is WHY were they detained and why haven't we heard anything about it?

As far as the police scanner being fake, if someone were to come in and say that the first responders at the Batman shooting faked the scanner chatter how viciously would you attack them? If there was audio saying that the perp had orange hair and was shooting innocent people, and they said "Fake! The government faked that just so they could frame him!!" How far would you go with your attacks? But it's okay to claim that the part where they say "End the life of Adam." was faked, right?

And as far as getting into schools without any hassle, I experience it every day. My girlfriend has kids and we go to their elementary school to drop things off and it's like we can walk in and out with the kids with no issue. I guess it helps tho that I live in an upper class neighborhood I guess they don't care.

how do you know for 100% sure it said "end the life of adam"? just because someone said thats what they heard, you can now hear it yourself, the mind can trick you into thinking what you heard... you could of heard a part of a word or words that went into a larger sentence... police don't generally talk that quiet on a radio, the radio came on for who knows what reason, but it was obviously mid sentance when it did and went off wen the guy was still talking..

schools around me you can't get into the building without being buzzed in, they put those on after columbine, and we live in a relatively rich area too. we use to be able to just walk into a school before that, after that parents freaked out and where sure if we didn't do that it would happen here too... so they put the systems in...

and why was someone detained? we may never know, if someone was detained just for safety reasons, it probably wont even make it into a police report... sometimes in protests where police feel threatened they zip tie cuff anyone that is around until they find out what is going on, but they don't make a report on who was cuffed... only the main people make it in and why... it's just too much work sometimes to report on everything.

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I find it pretty sad and pathetic that someone would take such a horrific tragedy, and try to turn into one of their completely moronic conspiracy theories.

They should be ashamed of themselves. :(

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